The Hip-Hop Thread

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
  I say the Bomb Squad about killed everyone back in that era production-wise, when they were first breaking out crazy innovative stuff, Dre was still making lame shit like "Horney Computer".  As far as N.W.A. goes, the first 3 songs off of Straight Outta Compton are crucial and the rest is pretty ho-hum in comparison (not saying it's terrible mind you but NOT on the consistency level of those first 3 tracks).

I beg to differ.  If It Ain't Ruff would most def go on my essential Dre list.  And Express Yourself & Dopeman, I'm also quite sure aren't in the 1st 3 tracks.  If I remember correctly it's:
 
 Straight Outta Compton
 Fuck The Police
 Gangsta, Gangsta
 
 Is it in that order???  Can't remember.  Been a while . . .
 
 And you're definitely right about the Bomb Squad.  They were slaying shit for a good 4 years or so.
 
 Dre kept going though.    

[manimtired]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
 and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"

What about Supreme Clientele?  If it ain't perfect, it's real damn close.  I could see someone creating an argument for that.  But everyone's entries are valid points . . . [/b]

im going to have to say fishscale is a better album, fam.  sign of the times.

[Relaxer]

Best Wu album: Wu Tang Forever. I couldn't get into 36 Chambers when it first came out. At the time, I was accustomed to the dense busy sound of Public Enemy and Cube's Amerikkka, and 36 Chambers' production was spare and somewhat minimal. A year or so later, though, I picked up Forever and it all clicked. I've since gone back and re-appreciated 36, but Forever just has so many great tracks. There's a lot of crap on there too, but iTunes turns it into the best single disc ever.
 
 Best Wu-related album: Cuban Linx, by a mile. Liquid Swords took awhile for me to appreciate, but I did. Still, Cuban Linx it is for me. RZA's Bobby Digital also was a favorite of mine.
 
 Best Wu song: Contenders include Triumph, Reunited and CREAM, but my standards for a song are lower than for an album. And every time I play 'Gravel Pit' for someone, they dig it hard.
 
 Wu MVP: Inspectah Deck. I think he's the highlight of every track he's on.

[sonickteam2]

while we're on this topic, has anyone heard the new Little Brother disc?
 
 
  i just bought it yesterday.. great stuff.

[SalParadise]

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
  Respect is collected, so check it
 I got techniques drippin out my buttcheeks
 Sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets

the random funny shit like this (along with his cadence of course) is why he's my favorite.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

18 posts so far and not a mention of the best hip hop song ever..."Bust a Move" by Young MC?
 
 You guys are a bunch of pathetic upper middle class wiggers. Director excepted, of course.

[Relaxer]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   

Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
  I say the Bomb Squad about killed everyone back in that era production-wise, when they were first breaking out crazy innovative stuff, Dre was still making lame shit like "Horney Computer".  As far as N.W.A. goes, the first 3 songs off of Straight Outta Compton are crucial and the rest is pretty ho-hum in comparison (not saying it's terrible mind you but NOT on the consistency level of those first 3 tracks).

I beg to differ.  If It Ain't Ruff would most def go on my essential Dre list.  And Express Yourself & Dopeman, I'm also quite sure aren't in the 1st 3 tracks.  If I remember correctly it's:
 
 Straight Outta Compton
 Fuck The Police
 Gangsta, Gangsta
 
 [/b]

I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton. And that was awesome, but I'll also never forget it. I'd listened to a lot of rap but the first time I heard Compton, stoned as shit with my buddy Matt in his grandparents' basement, I couldn't believe it. I'd never heard like it, and we were ecstatic and terrified all at once.
 
 So it's a stone classic album, but I must admit, it's the first three tracks I play whenever I want a dose. I'll throw Express Yourself on a mix when it's appropriate, but as said above, it's those first 3 that are the album to me.

[SalParadise]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
 

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
 [qb]  Anyone actually remember when the gap between Dre & DJ Premier was non-existent/real close for G.O.A.T. producer???
 
 Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever???  Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . . [/b]

and now it's primo by a mile.. right? right??
 
 my fave wu album is 'liquid swords'. 36 chambers has the higher points, but LS just flows better.
 
 and i agree with relaxer on inspectah deck.
 
 and i gotta go with midnight marauders over 'low end theory' (i used to think LET for a while... but i wisened up)

[SalParadise]

oh yeah, i still haven't heard 'only built 4 cuban linx'
 
 *ducks*
 
 another one to ponder:
 
 all time favorite beat?
 
 it's a toss up for me between "93 'til infinity" and "survival of the fittest"

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Relaxer:
 I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton.

one of the first CDs I ever owned was "the chronic" ... i asked my dad to buy it for me for my 10th birthday right after it came out and he actually did it, what the hell was he thinking?
 
  <img src="http://wizard.ae.krakow.pl/~jasiol1a/images/Dr%20Dre%20-%20The%20Chronic%20-%20CD.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 that shit completely blew my mind for about two years.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  The backbone of what Dre did has always been the funk.  

yeah but he quickly turned to those high-pitched whiny samples that came to define west coast, sounds worlds away from "express yourself" ... i feel like "doggystyle" was when he got back to some rootsier stuff, but i'm just going off the top of my head right now

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Relaxer:
  I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton.

Basketball trip to, of all places, Compton for a tournament.  On the bus over there, one guy played the cassette on a boombox.  I think we (mostly white kids from the Catholic private school) lost by 40 and I think that cassette had a lot to do with it.
 
 It was that or when we walked in the gym, Lakewood was playing Compton in the game before ours and Lakewood came out of the locker room with their entire crowd chanting "Wood" in a rythm that was equally terrifying.
 
 In our game agsint Artesia, a young Charles O'Bannon threw an alley oop to his brother, Senior Ed O'Bannon that smackie thought he could stop.  Ed O'Bannon dunked on me so hard, that I still hear about it from friends.  Worse yet, it was the second worst dunk on me in my life, but that's for another time....  
 
 So yeah, I remember exactly where I was the first time I heard SOC.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
 and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"

What about Supreme Clientele?  If it ain't perfect, it's no worse than real damn close.  I could see someone creating an argument for that.  But everyone's entries are valid points . . . [/b]

sure, it's a great album, but if you're talking about "Greatest Wu-Tang Album Ever", then you really can't go beyond "wu-tang forever" (and probably not even up to that point) ... the group is defined by their creative peak of 93-96, and anything afterwards is just gravy
 
 hope that makes some sense

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
 
 You guys are a bunch of pathetic upper middle class wiggers. Director excepted, of course.

dont you ever, ever, ever call me upper middle class ever again.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by le sonick:
  while we're on this topic, has anyone heard the new Little Brother disc?
 
 
  i just bought it yesterday.. great stuff.

I was underwhelmed.  I think they're hurting without 9th Wonder there.  IMO, he was the star of the group.  I'll give it another go around when I got time . . .
 
   

Originally posted by Relaxer:
 
 Best Wu song:

Off the top of my head, my vote goes to Fish.  That's just off the top of my head.  That interlude jump off sets the mood so lovely:
 
 "I control 3 families . . . We operate in all aspects of organized crime . . . "
 
   

Originally posted by SalParadise:
   

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
  Respect is collected, so check it
 I got techniques drippin out my buttcheeks
 Sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets

the random funny shit like this (along with his cadence of course) is why he's my favorite. [/b]

"I drop unexpectedly like bird shit . . . "
 
 "Nonsense of your conscience in '88/
 Sold more powder than Johnson & Johnson/
 Tote steel like Bronson, vigi-lan-te/
 You wanna get on, son? You need to ask me!/
 Ain't no other kings in this rap thing/
 They siblings, nothing but maturing/
 One shot, they disappearing . . . "
 
 WOW . . . .      
 
 True story.