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Tonight Marissa and ALex kiss...set your Tivos!!!
« on: February 10, 2005, 01:50:00 pm »
ahhhh the OC...

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Re: Tonight Marissa and ALex kiss...set your Tivos!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 03:00:00 pm »
This is a riot...this article from the NY Times basically lists all the previous sapphic kissing on t.v.  Coming up, Wife Swap??
 
 
 February 10, 2005
 CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
 It's February; Pucker Up, TV Actresses
 By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN
 
 On "One Tree Hill," "The O.C." and even "Wife Swap," Sapphic love is in the air. And why not? It's that extended prom night for television lesbians - sweeps.
 
 Last week on "Happy Days 30th Anniversary Reunion," Garry Marshall, the show's creator, disclosed his old-school approach to sweeps, those months during which programmers try to impress local advertisers, who pay a rate based on viewership numbers gleaned in February, May, July and November.
 
 "You either have a wedding or you burn down something," Mr. Marshall said. "That's what you do during sweeps week."
 
 Or that's what you used to do, back when "Happy Days" was big. Weddings and fires might provide transfusions of plot for lifeless shows, and they even fit two of four requirements for a good sweeps stunt. But that's nothing compared with the lesbian kiss, which hits all four.
 
 Let us enumerate. Weddings and fires work as stunts because they're (1) visual, either iconic or spectacular.
 
 Depending on the extent of the fire, the Marshall stunts are also fairly (2) inexpensive to produce.
 
 But weddings and fires are not, alas, (3) controversial. Family-values viewers don't balk at fire, even malevolent arson, and as long as the wedding unites a man and woman, they're cool with that, too. Thus those plot turns rarely transform a lackluster show into a news headline the way a truly A+ sweeps stunt can.
 
 Finally, the Marshall stunts are not (4) reversible. Barring annulments and dream sequences, weddings and fires have lasting consequences in the lives of characters - and that can be a nuisance for writers who don't want series-long character development perpetually hijacked by seasonal spectacles.
 
 And thus in the last decade television's masterminds have discovered the lesbian kiss. Eminently visual; cheap, provided the actors are willing; controversial, year in and year out; and elegantly reversible (sweeps lesbians typically vanish or go straight when the week's over), kisses between women are perfect sweeps stunts. They offer something for everyone, from advocacy groups looking for role models to indignation-seeking conservatives, from goggle-eyed male viewers to progressive female ones, from tyrants who demand psychological complexity to plot buffs.
 
 Hooray for the all-purpose lesbian kiss, then, cynical though it may be. "L.A. Law" did it in 1991. "Picket Fences" did it in 1993. In 1994, 1997 and 1999, big prime-time shows - "Roseanne," of course "Ellen," "Party of Five" and "Ally McBeal" - did it. And, though 2004 was dry, we've had about one a year since 2001.
 
 Still, every kiss feels like the first time. The kisses are said to break new ground, or to bring culture to new lows - either way, we seem to forget that we've seen them before. Many times. And though the target audience for these kisses may now skew younger - it's teenagers doing the kissing now, as opposed to Ellen DeGeneres and Roseanne Barr in stunts past - the kissing scenes, with the big build-up and the quick, chaste, fully dressed payoff, ought to be familiar by now.
 
 Next up, then, are Marissa (Mischa Barton) and Alex (Olivia Wilde) on "The O.C." (Fox). The gorgeous California girls will finally kiss tonight. And what with Alex's lending of her CBGB shirt, the couple's happy expedition to get Marissa a tattoo and the tantalizing hand-holding we've seen in the last few episodes, it's high time for the girls to make it to first base. Though Ms. Barton played the aggressor in a lesbian relationship on "Once and Again" in 2002, she's now a relative ingénue, enchanted by the confidence of Alex, a bisexual blonde who has already achieved legal emancipation from her disapproving parents in order to pursue another romance with a woman.
 
 On WB's "One Tree Hill," sexually confused Anna (Daniella Alonso) jumped the sweeps gun by a week and kissed straight Peyton (Hilarie Burton) back on Jan. 25. Peyton rebuffed the advance, but Anna has continued to wrestle with her sexual identity into sweeps. On Tuesday's episode, she went to look for love online, checking "either" when asked on one matchmaking site which sex she preferred. In coming weeks, she'll try to decide whether to come out to her parents. (With any luck, emancipation won't be necessary.)
 
 So what is the meaning of all the kissing? It evidently doesn't scandalize anymore. A poll on one fan site for "One Tree Hill" asked for reactions to Anna and Peyton's kiss. "I saw it coming" won handily over "I'm still shocked."
 
 But the kiss did add a twist to the psychology of the characters. Fans now seem intrigued by how the encounter will affect Peyton, Anna and their future relationships. Though many profess to dislike Anna, who is not one of the show's stars, they also seem more engaged in the drama than ever. The same goes for "The O.C.," which, though its ratings are down in its second season, is nonetheless winning props from fans for showing a lesbian relationship over time and not merely presenting it as a one-off gimmick.
 
 Moreover, though neither the Alex-Marissa relationship nor the Anna-Peyton one is integral to its show, homosexuality on "The O.C." and "One Tree Hill" does not come out of nowhere. "One Tree Hill" has periodically hinted at a romantic subtext to the friendship of Peyton and Brooke (Sophia Bush), while never actually staging a kiss. And lesbianism on both shows often appears to be a displaced consummation of the intimate, complex relationships between the central male characters: Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Nathan (James Lafferty) on "One Tree Hill," and Seth (Adam Brody) and Ryan (Benjamin McKenzie) on "The O.C."
 
 Last night "Wife Swap," the ABC reality show on which mothers trade lives for two weeks, also featured lesbians, though in a considerably less frothy context. On the show, Kris Gillespie, a rich, conservative Christian mother of three, traded families with Kristine Luffey, a middle-class lesbian who lives in Arizona with Nikki Boone, her girlfriend, and their daughter, Elizabeth.
 
 The swap showed a quick kiss between Ms. Luffey and Ms. Boone, but kissing wasn't the focus of the hour. Instead, the culture clash, which resolved in bitterness and cruelty by the show's end, provided titillation. Ms. Gillespie seemed to find herself increasingly repelled by the thought of two women in love. As she, following the show's format, introduced both more restrictions into Elizabeth's life and more indulgences - limiting Elizabeth's access to television while instituting Princess Day, during which the girl wore a tiara - she also sputtered insults at Ms. Boone, who responded with shrieks.
 
 The tension culminated in a nonsensical showdown during which Ms. Gillespie suggested that her plight as a black woman (her husband is white) was more difficult than Ms. Boone's as a lesbian because Ms. Boone could pretend to be straight, while Ms. Gillespie's race could not be concealed. Ms. Boone took umbrage at the suggestion that she ought to pretend, and what could have been a frank if slightly surreal discussion of parity in civil rights devolved into hysteria.
 
 At the end of the hour, the women and their partners met for a four-way discussion of the experience. Ms. Luffey's time with Brian Gillespie and the couple's three children turned out to have been fun, but on hearing about it Ms. Gillespie got mad all over again. She repeatedly called Ms. Luffey and Ms. Boone depraved, and even suggested that Ms. Luffey might be a "sexual predator" who should not be left alone with children. Names were called, and Ms. Luffey sobbed.
 
 In all, it was a grueling episode of "Wife Swap," and one not likely to win the show new viewers. Hostile prejudice is a downer, and not a hallmark of a great sweeps stunt. Glamorous sweeps lesbians - the ones who fit the archetype - don't have time for child-rearing or rancorous bigotry. They're too busy being beautiful, trading tiny T-shirts and, naturally, kissing.
 
 ACTRESSES PUCKER UP
 
 L.A. LAW
 
 "He's a Crowd" (1991)
 
 In a first for a network prime-time series, C.J. (Amanda Donohoe) kissed Abby (Michele Greene).
 
 Fallout: The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (Glaad) praised the "historic smooch"; the American Family Association protested; the same-sex plot went nowhere.
 
 ROSEANNE
 
 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (1994)
 
 Roseanne's married character received a kiss from a guest star, Mariel Hemingway.
 
 Fallout: The episode was the No. 1 show of the week.
 
 ELLEN
 
 "The Puppy Episode" (1997)
 
 Yep, she was gay: Ellen DeGeneres's character came out to an audience of 36.2 million.
 
 Fallout: A year later, the show was canceled after a ratings free-fall.
 
 PARTY OF FIVE
 
 "I'll Show You Mine" (1999)
 
 Julia (Neve Campbell) comes on to her lesbian professor (Olivia D'Abo). In the next episode, she goes on a date with a man.
 
 Fallout: None.
 
 ALLY McBEAL
 
 "Buried Pleasures" (1999)
 
 Ling (Lucy Liu) and Ally (Calista Flockhart) kissed.
 
 Fallout: A Glaad spokesman called the episode "nothing more than just straight man's titillation."
 
 BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
 
 "The Body" (2001)
 
 Willow (Alyson Hannigan) and Tara (Amber Benson) - already a couple - kissed for the first time in this episode. They were together for two-and-a-half seasons, the longest lesbian relationship for main characters on a network series.
 
 Fallout: None.
 
 FRIENDS
 
 "The One With Rachel's Big Kiss" (2001)
 
 Rachel (Jennifer Aniston) met up with a college pal (Winona Ryder) with whom she drunkenly made out at a party, and Rachel and Phoebe (Lisa Kudrow) kissed, too.
 
 Fallout: At the time, "Friends" was behind "Survivor" in the ratings; this episode did not reverse the trend.
 
 ONE TREE HILL
 
 "The Heart Brings You Back" (2005)
 
 Anna (Daniella Alonso) kissed Peyton (Hilarie Burton) who, in the previous episode (shown above), had worn a T-shirt with the word "Dyke" spray-painted on it.
 
 Fallout: Too soon to tell.
 
 THE O.C.
 
 "The Lonely Hearts Club" (2005)
 
 Poor-little-rich-girl Marissa (Mischa Barton) has been spending all her time with the bisexual Alex (Olivia Wilde). On tonight's episode, they will kiss for the first time.
 
 Fallout: Too soon to tell.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2005, 03:11:00 pm »
THE VMAs
 
 "Skankathon" (2003)
 
 Over-the-hill pop-star Madonna swaps spit with aspiring sluts Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera during the show-opening performance of "Like A Virgin"
 
 Fallout: All three participants have begun preparations for their VH1 "Where Are They Now" specials.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 06:14:00 pm »
Frankly, they could have kept this sexual tension up for another 5 episodes I would have watched every one of them without once complaining.
 
 Looking forward to tonight.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 06:17:00 pm »
oh man, it's going to be great. between marissa and alex and summer and seth, it will be sexual tension overload. gotta love february sweeps.
 
 and you gotta love how interpol is apparently the official band of young lesbians. funny stuff.

Re: Tonight Marissa and ALex kiss...set your Tivos!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2005, 06:28:00 pm »
All the more reason to not watch tv.
 
 When are they going to have a tv show where the formerly straight MALE character realizes he is bi/gay, and explores his options?

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2005, 06:29:00 pm »
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  All the more reason to not watch tv.
 
 When are they going to have a tv show where the formerly straight MALE character realizes he is bi/gay, and explores his options?
Hey, wasn't that the plot behind KNIGHTRIDER?

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2005, 06:30:00 pm »
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  All the more reason to not watch tv.
 
 When are they going to have a tv show where the formerly straight MALE character realizes he is bi/gay, and explores his options?
they did that on dawsons creek, uh somebody told me that anyway, yeah thats it, somebody told me, i didnt see it

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 06:49:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
  All the more reason to not watch tv.
 
 When are they going to have a tv show where the formerly straight MALE character realizes he is bi/gay, and explores his options?
Hey, wasn't that the plot behind KNIGHTRIDER? [/b]
Yeah...it happened on Dawson's Creek...Jack was dating Joey and it turned out he was gay...so Dawson thought it was his time to get Joey but Pacey came in the mix...and Jack ended with Pacey's brother in the end..
 
 yeah..somebody told me all this too...

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2005, 11:46:00 am »
THE O.C. EFFECT
 
 by Emily Zemler
 
 Every good movie director has a composer that they can depend on to score a dynamite soundtrack that will not only bolster their film but will roll off the shelves into the eager hands of film fans willing to spend more than just the ticket price. Steven Spielberg has John Williams. Tim Burton has Danny Elfman. And Zach Braff has, well, James Mercer of the Shins. Actually, Mercer didn't exactly score Braff's filmmaking debut, the 20-something-friendly Garden State, but he agreed to let Braff feature not one but two Shins songs from their debut album, Oh, Inverted World. Braff, who lists the Shins as his favorite band, not only featured a double dose of Oh, Inverted World in Garden State, but also had Natalie Portman's character telling his character that the Shins will change his life. Actually, it's more like he changed their life. The result? Album sales for Oh, Inverted World have tripled since the film's release in August, and the Shins have become a household name alongside more well-known indie acts like the Flaming Lips and Wilco.
 
 Indeed, in the last year, more and more indie bands have made their way into the mainstream through movie soundtracks, television appearances that are written into the plots of the shows and, most important, Fox's The O.C., a show whose characters may be a bit trashy but whose writers seem to have impressive musical taste. This sudden upsurge of music that is-- gasp! -- considered to be good in the eyes of elitist hipsters and rock critics alike is surprising, proving extremely beneficial to bands like the Shins and Death Cab for Cutie in terms of exposure -- and cold hard cash. It seems like a winning formula for all parties involved, except for the original fans, who smell sell out. But ultimately, with more and more music fans recognizing bands that would otherwise garner little or no attention, why can't these diehard fans be happy for Death Cab and the Shins' success?
 
 The recent surge of indie bands gaining recognition via participation in the plotlines of a television show started last year, when two characters on The O.C. began arguing about Death Cab for Cutie while listening to one of their songs. One of the characters, Seth, says "Don't dis the Death Cab." Viewers at home agreed. Since then Death Cab has sold almost two hundred thousand copies of 2003's Transatlanticism, and, recently, got themselves signed to a major label, Atlantic.
 
 Death Cab is the most famous instance of what I'll call The O.C. effect, but dozens of other relatively unknown bands have crept onto the show's soundtrack over the last year. Pop rockers Rooney made the sole live appearance on the show last season and saw a near tripling of their album sales. And this season, the Walkmen, the Killers, Modest Mouse and the Thrills will all get their chance to pretend to strum their guitars in front of Mischa Barton.
 
 In November, The Walkmen appeared live on the show, playing two tracks off its album Bows & Arrows. Singer Hamilton Leithauser enjoyed his experience filming the show, though he felt that the staged enthusiasm for the band was a bit much. "There were maybe two hundred extras on the set pretending to just love us, and I had to sing along with the music, and of course everyone else is fake playing -- they're not even plugged in," Leithauser said. "So it was really an awkward scene for me, but I think you're just supposed to stand there and look cool anyhow, so I just tried to do that."
 
 Leithauser, who was surprised the show allowed the Walkmen to play two songs, sees television performances as a solid, if ephemeral, means of promotion. "I don't think we'll gain fans," Leithauser said. "I think people will buy the record though. I think a lot of people bought the record after we were on Dave Letterman and Conan, but I don't think you can really gain actual fans who are going to really care about the band through such a mass-market thing."
 
 Shawn Rogers, the creative director of film and TV licensing at Sub Pop finds The O.C. to be highly beneficial for his label's bands. "We've had a couple of bands appear on The O.C.," Rogers said. "I think it's great that indie bands are on the show. It pays well in comparison to what most indie bands make touring or selling records and the creator of the show loves that style of music."
 
 The Shins, who appeared live on The Gilmore Girls last season, might also beg to differ with Leithauser. After all, it took only one well-connected Shins fan to spread the gospel of the indie "it" band. Shins frontman James Mercer, who joked that Braff "obviously has impeccable taste," was pleased with the way the film turned out and even more pleased by how much the film has bumped the Shins into people's consciousness. "I guess you certainly feel flattered," Mercer said. "It's helped a lot. The only sign I have is that Sub Pop calls me and tells me the records are selling better. Especially Oh, Inverted World, which was sort of falling off the radar for most music listeners and now is selling better than it actually ever sold."
 
 Sam Beam, the mastermind behind Iron & Wine, agreed that the use of his music in Garden State was flattering. Beam covered the Postal Service's infectious "Such Great Heights" for the soundtrack. He says that all opportunities for exposure are worth pursuing: "Any chance you get, any forum to put [your music] out to people other than just people who go to the record store," he explained. "Indie bands don't get on the radio very much. I think there's one station out in Los Angeles now. But other than that all they have is the Internet, that kind of a forum. So anything extra is great."
 
 Of his song's appearance in the film, the Postal Service's Jimmy Tamborello said he's "glad it wasn't our version. When I went to see the film I got really nervous for it to come on. I think it would have been more nerve-racking if it was our version." But despite Tamborello's anxiety, which is funny sentiment considering how one assumes musicians want to get their music into the public sphere as much as possible, the Postal Service contributed a song to the soundtrack for the film Wicker Park, which also featured the Shins, Death Cab for Cutie, and Mates of State. "It's nice whenever anybody invites you to be a part something," Tamborello said. "I mean, I haven't seen this movie, but it's great when it's a movie that you like. It's definitely a good way [for indie bands to gain exposure]. I think people at the movies, when they like a song, they'll wait 'til the credits to find out what it was. And it gets heard by people who maybe aren't even big music fans, who wouldn't find it otherwise."
 
 Mercer noted that he initially didn't want the Shins to contribute their b-side "When I Goosestep" to the Wicker Park soundtrack because he feared an oversaturation of the soundtrack market, a market that may be very different for the one that initially bought Shins records. "We started worrying that people were going to be able to buy our music so easily elsewhere that there would be no reason to buy Shins records and see [the songs] in the context of a Shins record," Mercer said.
 
 Though the O.C. Effect seems overwhelmingly beneficial to bands like the Shins, Mercer's point is key. By allowing their music to be placed in a situation external to a Shins album or concert, the band relinquishes a sense of control to that external medium. The creative control is now in the hands of the filmmaker (in the case of Garden State) or the directors of The O.C., who can place the song in a context that can potentially alter the band's intended meaning of the song. However, the fact that Tamborello hasn't even seen the movie in which his song is featured suggests that some bands may not even care. It is certainly a drawback that artists lose creative control, as Mercer points out, but one that doesn't seem to be stopping bands from offering their work to these movies and shows.
 
 Instead, in the past few months bands have been avoiding the issue by contributing new, "themed" songs to movie soundtracks- case and point The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie soundtrack. This children's movie ended up boasting one of the best movie soundtracks this year, with original songs from the Flaming Lips, Wilco, the Shins, and Motorhead. Tweedy, who claimed that contributing to this soundtrack "automatically makes [him] the coolest dad on the block," wrote the song specifically for the film.
 
 The latest buzz in the soundtrack world comes from a video game. The soundtrack to the forthcoming Stubbs the Zombie game features new songs from Ben Kweller, Rogue Wave, the Ravonettes. Rather than writing original tracks for the album, each band was asked to reinvent an old favorite. So you have the Flaming Lips singing "If I Only Had a Brain" and Kweller singing "Lollipop" -- something that may indicate what direction this trend will take next.
 
 So why are so many directors and music supervisors turning to lesser known acts to fill their films and television shows with music that would otherwise probably not get heard by the majority of their viewers? Rogers thinks it because a different generation of filmmakers is now in control of the screen. "You are seeing more and more indie music appearing in films, television and ads because there is a generation of film directors, TV producers, and creatives at ad agencies that are finally in positions of employment to support bands and the style of music that they've been following for the last ten to twenty years," he explained.
 
 Tamborello has a slightly different theory: "Part of it could just be financial -- we're cheaper. Also, the people that are making movies and TV shows are artists, and maybe they are just more likely search harder for music that they like and they might find a song they want to share."
 
 It seems like a win-win situation all around, but how come some fans and critics are calling foul, stating that such appearances and mass marketing techniques are creating sell-outs? When virtually everything can be construed as promotional, what does selling out even mean?
 
 Emily Haines, whose band Metric made an appearance in the French-Canadian film Clean earlier this year, feels that the term "selling out" has become meaningless, because the line one must cross is so subjective. "I guess everyone has their own measure of what they're willing to do and what they're not," Haines explained. "For me it would totally depend on the [TV] program. I think it's clear that everyone's sort of changed their standards of what they're willing to do. Things that used to be considered selling out don't seem to be anymore, so I don't know if that's depressing or if that means we're more open-minded." Haines does feel, however, that a band's onscreen promotion should have its limits. "Some people will always argue that any exposure is good, but I don't agree," Haines said. "It's just all about the context I would think. Having your song on a horrible film, that's not gonna do you any favors."
 
 Mercer is mildly concerned about the reaction of his devoted fans to the Shins' soundtrack hopping: "I had wondered what will be the real Shins fans' perception of the band if we were as big as Modest Mouse or something -- which is unlikely to happen. I hope that our audience is more sophisticated than I was when I was a teenager, where I would probably drop a band if my sister knew about them. If my sister knew about the band then they weren't cool anymore."
 
 When asked what he would say to someone who accusing the Walkmen of selling out for their appearance on The O.C. Leithauser simply said: "I'm not sure what I'd say . . . maybe 'fuck you.' " That seems to be the most apt answer to the inevitable questions that are sure to follow such an appearance, especially since indie bands on mainstream TV shows and movies sounds far better than the status quo.
 
 http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/050114-indiesoundtracks.shtml

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2005, 11:47:00 am »
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
  All the more reason to not watch tv.
 
 When are they going to have a tv show where the formerly straight MALE character realizes he is bi/gay, and explores his options?
they did that on dawsons creek, uh somebody told me that anyway, yeah thats it, somebody told me, i didnt see it [/b]
and you didn't watch Melrose Place either.  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2005, 11:51:00 am »
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 and you didn't watch Melrose Place either.   ;)  
actually, while I did watch Dawsons, I never did watch Melrose, but plenty of other awful shows i wont reveal

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2005, 11:53:00 am »
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 and you didn't watch Melrose Place either.    ;)  
actually, while I did watch Dawsons, I never did watch Melrose, but plenty of other awful shows i wont reveal [/b]
come on, admit it. . you loved models inc.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2005, 11:55:00 am »
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 come on, admit it. . you loved models inc.
I dont think I even remember that one

Re: Tonight Marissa and ALex kiss...set your Tivos!!!
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2005, 12:00:00 pm »
I thought you said you don't have a tv?
 
 
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 and you didn't watch Melrose Place either.    ;)  
actually, while I did watch Dawsons, I never did watch Melrose, but plenty of other awful shows i wont reveal [/b]