FF / DCFC at DAR

[Bombay Chutney]

don't give up - I just pulled up rear floor at 12:45.

[Nick Caruana]

Yeah I just got 3 for row C orchestra. . strange after being told by ticketmaster over the phone that the show was sold out. . .

[matts]

I just got rear Orchestra.  Never been to DAR before.  How are those seats?

[jamh]

This page is sick.  They must have at least 250 tickets for sale up there.  While I've seen a few extra tickets pop up on ebay that page has at least doubled in size.  Is that even legal here in dc?

[jude376]

Does anyone know about seat numbering in the orchestra? Are sections arranged by odd/even or are they in numerical order? Just wondering what side I'm on since Benny G. seems to favor stage right. It probably doesn't matter anyway, as they're rear orchestra. After an hour of throwing back nose bleed and obstructed view seats, that's the best I could do.

[soundnova]

I was going to get 6 tickets for the group of us to go. Online at 12, on the phone at 12. Finally got through close to 12:25, says show sold out. No matter what quantity I put in 2-6 the whole time was unavailable.
 
 Ticketmaster rep said they sold all the tickets in the presale.
 
 Pretty embarassing and a joke really to not have any tix for the actual general onsale. I know these bands are hot, but not hot enough to be selling out DAR in 0 seconds.
 
 Can't say that I am not EXTREMELY frustrated at this, as I'm sure ALOT of other people are.

[helicon1]

Originally posted by jamh:
  This page is sick.  They must have at least 250 tickets for sale up there.  While I've seen a few extra tickets pop up on ebay that page has at least doubled in size.  Is that even legal here in dc?

DEMOCRACY RULEZ!

[shtee223]

how can they sell ALL of the tickets in the presale? that's ridiculous. i hope they do something like add another night because i'm pretty pissed off.
 
 i was really looking forward to this show, because franz and dcfc are two of my favorite bands, but i can't go now unless i want to pay some stupidly high price.

[jude376]

Lies. They didn't sell all the tickets in the presale. Ticketbastard don't know what they're talkin' bout. There were still tickets available as late as 1:00 (just not very good ones, and probably only singles).

[chokeychicken]

first of all, re-selling tickets above face value is not illegal in DC.  it's perfectly legal, in fact.  
 
 and to the guy that said he was told that all the tickets were sold in the pre-sale, that was a lie.  all the tickets are NEVER sold in the presale.  about 30% of the ticket allotment is usually released during the presale.  i pulled 2 pairs during the public sale on saturday.
 
 and as for the guy who asked "how do they do it"...think about what you do at work every single day, day in and day out.  chances are, unless you're mentally retarded, you're pretty good at it.  all brokers do all day is pull tickets.  they have people doing it for them, and they know how to use ticketmaster better than the average fan.  people think that brokers have all this special software that allows them to get in before everybody else, and that's simply not true.  brokers get the best tickets and you get nothing because brokers use ticketmaster every single day to buy tickets and you don't.  plan and simple.

[kosmo vinyl]

brokers may not have special software to get tickets, but they found ways to work the system to get multiple tickets at once, they can figure the links into the order pages, they have software that can quickly generate the random word that was put in place to "slow" them down.  one would think that ticketmaster could determine which purchasers were generating invalid password attempts and shut them down.  short of requiring all to sold non-transferrable and be picked up at the venue at the time of the show, brokers will find ways to exploit the system.  once a upon a time tickets were only sold at the venue requiring camping out, even then brokers hired people to wait in line.  
 
 same was the case for when the first ticketmaster outlets were put in place, brokers hired people to wait in line.  i once saw a ticket broker running the machine at a detroit store for a david bowie show.  eventually, the store owner lost his terminal because ticketmaster caught on to what was going on...
 
 the only way to curb ticket brokering would be require them to be licensed and to only charge up to a fixed percentage on the ticket.

[chokeychicken]

kosmo, you're really out of your league on this one.  i'm not sure how many ticket brokers you know, but that software really doesn't exist.  there are maybe 3 or 4 individuals who have that kind of technology, and that's because they paid tens of thousands of dollars to have it specially made, and they don't distrubte it for obvious reasons.  brokers don't have special software.  like i said, the only advantage they really have is that they know how ticketmaster, tickets.com, and everything works.  they know how to go navigate the site quickly and efficiently.  they know most of the words that might come up, and can key them in quicker.  they know when to refresh so the page comes up quicker.  they know that stuff.  they do it every single day.
 
 it really irks me when people talk about brokers like they're some kind of child pornographer.  ticket brokers are doing nothing but providing a service, and they're skilled at it, or it wouldn't piss you off that they got tickets and you didn't.  they don't have anymore of an advantage than you do, because getting good tickets is 99% luck, believe it or not.  t hat luck just falls in their lap more than it falls in yours because they do it every day and you do it a few times a year.

[kosmo vinyl]

geez it must be really tough to write a program which generates a gizillion "word" combiniations in secs... guess ticket brokers must all be using pentinum iii's to buy tickets and not fancy multiprocessing unix boxes.  :roll:

[chokeychicken]

well kosmo, since you're obviously talented enough to do it, why don't you write one?  There are tons of brokers out there willing to buy it from you for a few grand.  easy money, apparently.

[jamh]

I think brokers would be great if I waited till say, the day before the concert and needed tickets, but when the ticket brokers are selling 250 tickets for a show that sold out as fast as this, they are not providing me with a service, and they're not helping.
 
 I don't know about any of you, but at one point I had two browsers open, and I was searching as fast as one person could.  Not only that, but I started seeing the words repeat.  What that means to me is that they have first, a limited word selection, it's not generated, so given a day with the site I could have probably 90% of the words they use.  Second, they have a limited amount of transformations to the words, so it is possible to have a very intelligent brute force attack.
 
 Security is tough kiddos.  I don't know if that's what they did, but it is possible.