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vansmack

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The $831 iPhone
« on: October 29, 2007, 01:35:00 pm »
I must say, Jobs is an f'in genius.  Even if the consumers lose, this is an incredibly lucrative deal for Apple (and arguably even for AT&T).
 
 The $831 iPhone
 
 October 25, 2007,  12:41 pm
 By Saul Hansell
 
 Apple doesn??t chat too much about the iPhone service fees AT&T shares with it. But the good folks at the Financial Accounting Standards Board (who make rules for how companies keep their books) have forced it to give us some clues. The accountants say that if someone promises to pay you money in the future (as AT&T does for each iPhone activated), you have to report this ??deferred revenue? to investors.
 All this makes Apple??s financial statement into a rather complex algebra problem. Gene Munster, an analyst at Piper Jaffray, has tried to do the math.
 
 His bottom line is rather shocking: AT&T appears to be paying $18 a month, on average, to Apple for each iPhone activated on its network. That adds up to $432 over a two year contract. In other words, Apple will receive $831 for each iPhone it sells. (It??s a little less for iPhones sold in AT&T stores.) He can??t tell, of course, what makes up that average. Apple may, for example, receive higher payments for customers new to AT&T or those who buy more expensive monthly plans.
 
 Mr. Munster says he was surprised by the numbers. He previously had estimated that Apple received $6.50 a month from AT&T. A carrier will typically subsidize the price of a high-end phone by about $200, he says. With the iPhone, AT&T is spreading the payments out over time, but ultimately putting up twice the typical amount.
 
 The numbers will be harder to figure out from here on out, because Apple has started selling iPhones in Europe, where it has presumably different arrangements with carriers in Britain, Germany and France. But Mr. Munster says he figures the payments from them will be at least as much as from AT&T. And that certainly is consistent with reports that Apple has been demanding as much as 40 percent of the monthly fees from European carriers.
 
 Still to Mr. Munster, this is incredibly bullish news for Apple investors. The higher revenue, of course, compounds Mr. Munster??s already optimistic view of the IPhones sales prospects. He figures Apple will sell a total of 3.4 million iPhones this year, 12.9 million next year and 45 million in 2009. The boom, he suggests, will come from increased features such as navigation and faster data speeds, as well as a lower price. He figures the average price of the iPhone, now $399 in this country, will drop to $300 in two years.
 
 Mr. Munster assumes that the payments from carriers will then fall to $9 a month. As a result of this analysis, his estimate of Apple??s 2009 revenue increases from $36.2 billion to $42.8 billion. And the company??s net income per share increased by 14 percent. The bottom line: Mr. Munster??s target price for Apple??s stock, which today sells for around $184, goes to $250. (He had it pegged at $220).
 
 All this shows how much incentive Apple has to maintain its exclusive deal with AT&T rather than to sell unlocked phones or cut deals with multiple carriers. AT&T is finding that an exclusive on the iPhone draws in new customers and lures existing ones to buy more expensive data plans. Carriers will keep paying Apple big kickbacks so long as its phones still stand out from the pack.
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ratioci nation

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Re: The $831 iPhone
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 05:21:00 pm »
I wonder how much other cell phone companies are making thanks to early termination fees

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Re: The $831 iPhone
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 05:24:00 pm »
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  I wonder how much other cell phone companies are making thanks to early termination fees
That's a great point, but seeing as how two CEO's were recently fired because of the exodus of subscribers, I'm sure it's not enough to cover the forecasts for future revenue.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2007, 10:49:00 am »
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  "Apple Has Destroyed the Music Business"
The above was said by NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker, who wanted a cut of iPod sales. Man, talk about your crybabies.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 02:18:00 pm »
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Herr Professor Doktor Doom

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vansmack

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2007, 03:53:00 pm »
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  Apple destroying the paper currency market
That's might be the least innovative thing I've seen Apple do in the history of the company.
 
 Oh wait, they've been locking down the Mac kernels for years.  Nevermind.
 
 Don't worry folks, they know what's best for you so just trust them.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2007, 04:02:00 pm »
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 Don't worry folks, they know what's best for you so just trust them.
And therein lies what many people don't like about Macs.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2007, 04:07:00 pm »
right, we should trust microsoft instead
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2007, 04:41:00 pm »
if you "trust" any major institution, you're an idiot, and that includes both Microsoft and Apple.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2007, 04:56:00 pm »
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  right, we should trust microsoft instead
That wasn't intended to be an us vs. them comment, but instead to point out that the company most touted for being so "innovative" acts contrary to innovative principles more than just about any other company because they think they know what's best.  I've just always been amazed by folks overlooking that.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 05:01:00 pm »
sorry, but these always seems like an us vs them. i naturally read these as if you use a mac the you are 'trusting' satan jobs, where as i rarely see the same priciple applied to the pc user world
 
 so uh yay linux!
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 05:07:00 pm »
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  so uh yay linux!
Yay BeOS! See Bee Movie!