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« Reply #1215 on: November 06, 2008, 11:24:00 pm »
Thanks for all your well wishes.
 
 So I'm going to sleep for a little while then I'll be as open as I can about my experiences in Hamilton County, Ohio, which voted Blue for the first time since Kennedy - it really was the time of my life.  If you have any questions about the campaign feel free to ask them.
 
 I'm going to avoid the other political thread because, frankly, I'm tired of the discussion. We did what we set out to do and now it's time to focus on the future.
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« Reply #1216 on: November 07, 2008, 10:17:00 am »
thats awesome
 
 now maybe we can get some footie discussion going
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« Reply #1217 on: November 07, 2008, 10:49:00 am »
ohhh., so thats where you were. I was wondering where you went the last couple weeks. Apparently i dont read this thread enough!

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« Reply #1218 on: November 07, 2008, 11:10:00 am »
footie can come later, first i want to hear what it was like helping the campaign in OH.  what was a typical day like?  come across any dirty politicking?  how did the locals feel about getting all this outside attention?  what was the mood like inside the campaign office before nov 4, and on nov 4?  how hard did y'all party once OH went blue, and the outcome became apparent?
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« Reply #1219 on: November 07, 2008, 11:47:00 am »
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  footie can come later
you take that back
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« Reply #1220 on: November 07, 2008, 11:53:00 am »
fine.
 
 footie can come much later.
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« Reply #1221 on: November 07, 2008, 12:17:00 pm »
youre going anger smackie more than me
 
 and you better thank your canadian god mank isnt here
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« Reply #1222 on: November 07, 2008, 12:53:00 pm »
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  youre going anger smackie more than me
 
 and you better thank your canadian god mank isnt here
uh oh, i'm in serious trouble then - based on the number of mistakes in your first sentence, i take it that you're livid and can hardly think straight   :p    seriously tho, i said that to get a rise out of you.  i'm not as big a footie fan as you lot, but i definitely like the beautiful game.  i played soccer competitively until i was 16.
 
 and FYI, we canadians are godless (and anti-capitalist, to boot.  why do you think all our hockey teams are broke?!?)
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« Reply #1223 on: November 07, 2008, 01:21:00 pm »
hahaha...i wrote that while on the phone
 
 i really wanted to just zong you for being canadian cause its funny
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« Reply #1224 on: November 07, 2008, 02:00:00 pm »
David Brooks nailed this...with apologies to the leftists, but he's spot on.
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 Change I Can Believe In
 By DAVID BROOKS
 Published: November 7, 2008
 
 I have dreams. I may seem like a boring pundit whose most exotic fantasies involve G.A.O. reports, but deep down, I have dreams. And right now I??m dreaming of the successful presidency this country needs. I??m dreaming of an administration led by Barack Obama, but which stretches beyond the normal Democratic base. It makes time for moderate voters, suburban voters, rural voters and even people who voted for the other guy.
 
 The administration of my dreams understands where the country is today. Its members know that, as Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center put it on ??The NewsHour,? ??This was an election where the middle asserted itself.? There was ??no sign? of a ??movement to the left.?
 
 Only 17 percent of Americans trust the government to do the right thing most or all of the time, according to an October New York Times/CBS News poll. So the members of my dream Obama administration understand that they cannot impose an ideological program the country does not accept. New presidents in 1932 and 1964 could presuppose a basic level of trust in government. But today, as Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution observes, the new president is going to have to build that trust deliberately and step by step.
 
 Walking into the Obama White House of my dreams will be like walking into the Gates Foundation. The people there will be ostentatiously pragmatic and data-driven. They??ll hunt good ideas like venture capitalists. They??ll have no faith in all-powerful bureaucrats issuing edicts from the center. Instead, they??ll use that language of decentralized networks, bottom-up reform and scalable innovation.
 
 They will actually believe in that stuff Obama says about postpartisan politics. That means there won??t just be a few token liberal Republicans in marginal jobs. There will be people like Robert Gates at Defense and Ray LaHood, Stuart Butler, Diane Ravitch, Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Jim Talent at other important jobs.
 
 The Obama administration of my dreams will insist that Congressional Democrats reinstate bipartisan conference committees. They??ll invite G.O.P. leaders to the White House for real meetings and then re-invite them, even if they give hostile press conferences on the White House driveway.
 
 They??ll do things conservatives disagree with, but they??ll also show that they??re not toadies of the liberal interest groups. They??ll insist on merit pay and preserving No Child Left Behind??s accountability standards, no matter what the teachers?? unions say. They??ll postpone contentious fights on things like card check legislation.
 
 Most of all, they??ll take significant action on the problems facing the country without causing a mass freak-out among voters to the right of Nancy Pelosi.
 
 They??ll do this by explaining to the American people that there are two stages to their domestic policy thinking, the short-term and the long-term.
 
 The short-term strategy will have two goals: to mitigate the pain of the recession and the change the culture of Washington. The first step will be to complete the round of stimulus packages that are sure to come.
 
 Then they??ll take up two ideas that already have bipartisan support: middle-class tax relief and an energy package. The current economic and energy crisis is an opportunity to do what was not done in similar circumstances in 1974 ?? transform this country??s energy supply. A comprehensive bill ?? encompassing everything from off-shore drilling to green technologies ?? would stimulate the economy and nurture new political coalitions.
 
 When the recession shows signs of bottoming out, then my dream administration would begin phase two. The long-term strategy would be about restoring fiscal balances and reforming fundamental institutions.
 
 By this time, the budget deficit could be zooming past $1.5 trillion a year. The U.S. will be borrowing oceans of money from abroad. My dream administration will show that it understands that the remedy for a culture of debt is not more long-term debt. It will side with those who worry that long-term deficits could lead to ruinous interest-rate hikes.
 
 My dream administration will announce a Budget Rebalancing Initiative. Somebody like Representative Jim Cooper would go through the budget and take out the programs and tax expenditures that don??t work. ??If we have no spending cuts, then we??re saying government is perfect. Nobody believes that,? Cooper says.
 
 Having built bipartisan relationships, having shown some fiscal toughness, having seen the economy through the tough times, my dream administration will then be in a position to take up health care reform, tax reform, education reform and a long-range infrastructure initiative. These reforms may have to start slow and on the cheap. But real reform would be imaginable since politics as we know it would be transformed.
 
 Is it all just a dream? I hope not. In any case, please be quiet and let me have my moment.
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« Reply #1225 on: November 07, 2008, 02:08:00 pm »
does this dream have John Kerry as Secretary of State?

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« Reply #1226 on: November 07, 2008, 02:14:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  David Brooks nailed this...with apologies to the leftists, but he's spot on.
oh christ, not you too, its amazing how fast conventional wisdom forms
 
 center-right! center-right!
 
 I am all for a pragmatic, professional approach to governing based on data and expertise over politics, but most of this shit is conservatives trying to neuter any kind of Obama mandate.

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« Reply #1227 on: November 07, 2008, 02:22:00 pm »
i like this dream  the Keep It Simple Stupid approach is what is needed right now...Obama's straight forward approach health care proposal appealed to me, McCain's just seemed like one huge gimmick
 
 i'm encourage by this
 
 "Walking into the Obama White House of my dreams will be like walking into the Gates Foundation. The people there will be ostentatiously pragmatic and data-driven. They??ll hunt good ideas like venture capitalists. They??ll have no faith in all-powerful bureaucrats issuing edicts from the center. Instead, they??ll use that language of decentralized networks, bottom-up reform and scalable innovation."
 
 i had this wacky idea yesterday that wouldn't it make sense to pair Council of Arts funding for musicians like they have in Scotland and Canada to the American Service initiative... so in exchange for getting support to pursue a career as a musician they would be expected to do community outreach in the form up teaching students in schools...
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« Reply #1228 on: November 07, 2008, 02:27:00 pm »
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  oh christ, not you too, its amazing how fast conventional wisdom forms
I disagree, and I've always considered myself a moderate as it were - socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
 
 It will be fine to be center-left (and yes, it does exist), but to think that a 364 Electoral College vote would be a mandate is the wrong approach.  It was narrow margins in the swing states, and President Obama should approach it that way, especially with the current state of the economy.
 
 Middle Class Tax Relief and a comprehensive energy plan are priority number one.  responsible withdrawl from Iraq and increased presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan number two.
 
 He's asking for the return of Clinton minus any prospective onslaught from the right (it took 14 years, but Congress has recovered from the Contract with America).  I don't see much wrong with that.
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« Reply #1229 on: November 07, 2008, 02:28:00 pm »
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 i had this wacky idea yesterday that wouldn't it make sense to pair Council of Arts funding for musicians like they have in Scotland and Canada to the American Service initiative... so in exchange for getting support to pursue a career as a musician they would be expected to do community outreach in the form up teaching students in schools...
While that seems harmless, it would be ridiculed in the world David Brooks lives in.  I just find it frustrating that anytime Dems get any power they trip over themselves to give some of it away, or are so afraid of being criticized that they end up looking useless.