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For smackie and barcelona
« on: February 15, 2005, 06:13:00 am »
The softer side of KEANO!!!
 
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Frank Gallagher

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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 08:59:00 am »

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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 12:45:00 pm »
I thought for sure this was going to be about Keano admitting he's doing Yoga:
 
   
 Monday, February 14, 2005
 
 I may yet play on, says Keane
 
 
 Manchester United skipper Roy Keane today revealed he may prolong his career at Old Trafford when his current contract ends - just days after insisting he would retire next year.
 The 33-year-old midfielder said on Friday he would hang up his boots at the end of next season but has since had further discussions with United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.
 
 'If this time next year my body is holding up and my hip is okay, and the knee, and (Sir) Alex Ferguson and Carlos Queiroz and Micky Phelan probably feel I can still contribute to the team then who knows,' said Keane.
 
 The United captain joked: 'The manager pulled me aside on the Saturday morning and said that he will be the one deciding when I'm going to be retiring.'
 
 The Cork-born player, who has been in fine form this recently, said he always believed he would finish his career at the highest level - and still playing for United.
 
 'I couldn't see myself playing for another English team, or going down to the First or Second Division, no disrespect to the teams down there,' he said.
 
 'I couldn't see it myself but the manager Saturday morning made that point to me and who knows.'
 
 Keane revealed his future in the game could be as a manager when his playing days are over.
 
 The Republic of Ireland midfielder, who was speaking at the launch of a fundraising campaign for the Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind, said if he was to move to another club at the end of next season there would have to be a coaching role as part of the deal.
 
 'I am not sure that would necessarily happen at United but again you try and keep all of your options open,' he said.
 
 'I am not silly enough to believe I could manage a Premiership club straight away, I would have thought I would have to go off and learn my trade, but again I do hope to be playing next year.'
 
 Keane's harsh views of the Football Association of Ireland had not changed since his public spat with former national boss Mick McCarthy.
 
 On one day managing the Irish team, he added: 'I couldn't possibly see myself at this moment in time working for the FAI but stranger things have happened I suppose.
 
 'I suppose you can't change the past. It is 2005 now, that was 2002, I wouldn't change what happened in the past.
 
 'I think a lot of people still miss the point that for me to play for any manager, for the manager to accuse me of faking injury in front of my team-mates, I still won't accept.'
 
 Keane said current Republic manger Brian Kerr, the staff and players had brought about changes in the international set up, and not the FAI.
 
 'I don't think much has changed from the FAI,' he said.
 
 Keane has revealed yoga has helped him avoid the sort of major injuries which plagued his previous season.
 
 He said: 'Myself, Giggsy (Ryan Giggs) and David Bellion do it and I think it has been a good help to us.
 
 'I think there is a couple of types of yoga, there is a yoga where you sit and meditate. It's not that kind, it is the physically demanding stretching yoga, I think it has definitely helped me, it has helped Ryan and David.
 
 'I think that has definitely been a benefit without a doubt.'
 
 United are still involved in three competitions this season, although they are nine points behind current leaders Chelsea, and Keane has played a vital role in keeping in touch with Jose Mourinho's side.
 
 He added: 'It helps that the system we are playing, we are playing with an extra couple of midfielders this year and they seem to be doing my running for me and that might help me in the long run.'
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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 12:52:00 pm »
this was the finniest bit about that piece, where he felt the need to strees that he wasn't doing girly meditative yoga but strenuous, manly yoga
 
 having done yoga once I can agree - it kicked my arse
 
   
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'I think there is a couple of types of yoga, there is a yoga where you sit and meditate. It's not that kind, it is the physically demanding stretching yoga, I think it has definitely helped me, it has helped Ryan and David.
 

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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 12:58:00 pm »
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  this was the finniest bit about that piece, where he felt the need to strees that he wasn't doing girly meditative yoga but strenuous, manly yoga
 
 having done yoga once I can agree - it kicked my arse
 
   
After taking two pretty bad knocks in my last three futsal matches, Smackette has begged me to sign up for Bikram Yoga, the kind where you do Yoga in rooms heated up to like 100 degrees.  I told her I would never do it.  As soon as she saw this, she took my Keano kits and said I can't have them back until I "do what Keano would do" to help the team out.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2005, 07:01:00 pm »
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Originally posted by brennser:
  this was the finniest bit about that piece, where he felt the need to strees that he wasn't doing girly meditative yoga but strenuous, manly yoga
 
 having done yoga once I can agree - it kicked my arse
 
   
After taking two pretty bad knocks in my last three futsal matches, Smackette has begged me to sign up for Bikram Yoga, the kind where you do Yoga in rooms heated up to like 100 degrees.  I told her I would never do it.  As soon as she saw this, she took my Keano kits and said I can't have them back until I "do what Keano would do" to help the team out. [/b]
....so she expects you to pick a fight with a 6' 4" French TWAT then as well huh???  ;)

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2005, 07:45:00 pm »
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  ....so she expects you to pick a fight with a 6' 4" French TWAT then as well huh???   ;)  
If he's picking a fight with one of the smaller guys on my team, then absolutely.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2005, 11:40:00 am »
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If he's picking a fight with one of the smaller guys on my team, then absolutely. [/QB]
Are you sure you don't have Manc blood?

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 12:11:00 pm »
CAN WE KICK IT?
 Why European Football Can't Shake Its Racist Image

 
 by Robert Collins
 
 Over in Europe, social trends tend to move slowly. In the case of race relations in the sporting arena, there are plenty of fans still in the dark ages. Or, as many of them would probably prefer, the not so dark ages. European football spent much of 2004 cowering under well-aimed accusations that the game is intrinsically racist as, all over Europe, black players have been subject to enormous abuse from hostile crowds, aided and abetted by the attitudes of some central figures within the game itself.
 
 A case in point would be the downfall of 'Big' Ron Atkinson, a well-respected TV analyst and ex-manager of Manchester United, who, after watching a lacklustre performance by the English team Chelsea against Monaco in the semi-final of the Champions League, correctly believed they'd blown their chances of reaching the final. He was particularly upset with defender Marcel Desailly, the French World Cup winner who he felt had performed with less than 100% effort. Five minutes after the game's conclusion and with his link to the UK broadcast terminated, Atkinson was still muttering to no one in particular about Desailly's disappointing display.
 
 "He's what is known in some schools as a fucking lazy thick nigger," he declared, confident that his microphone had long been switched off.
 
 Only it wasn't. Having been the voice of football for the majority of the English speaking Middle East, as well as the UK, Atkinson's unguarded comments reached into hundreds of homes across Dubai and Egypt. His resignation arrived the next morning. He hasn't worked since.
 
 Shocking as Atkinson's outburst was, this was merely the 'got his comeuppance' comedy moment of an annus horribilis for European soccer. The latest, and perhaps most high profile, example of football-related racism came at the recent friendly game between Spain and England in Madrid, when Spanish fans continually made 'monkey noises' (not heard in the UK since the early 80s) whenever one of England's black players touched the ball. Sepp Blatter, chief of world football's governing body, FIFA, immediately declared his disgust, admitting that the England players would have been well within their rights to walk off the pitch. The situation wasn't helped by coming merely days after Spanish manager Luis Ar! agones, unaware he was mic'ed up during a training session, told striker Jose Antonio Reyes he was a better player than his team mate and "black shit" Thierry Henry.
 
 It's not that football hasn't changed. Thirty years ago the generally accepted belief among the European football community was that black players simply didn't have the courage to succeed at the top level. Even as recently as the early '80s it was commonplace for gifted black players like England's John Barnes to experience monkey chanting and have bananas thrown at then while they played. Since then, clubs have made enormous efforts to root out their racist support, and it would be massively unfair to tar the entire football community with the tainted brush of the moronic minority. It's just that it now appears that that minority isn't as small as ev! eryone assumed.
 
 Although European football never had a colour barrier that marred the history of American pro sports, the game is rooted in societies that were far from multi-cultural. In the UK, the first wave of Caribbean immigrants arrived in the early 1950s, with France opening its doors to inhabitants of its African colonies at the same time. Before then, the only black faces anyone would see in Europe were on cinema screens. By the 1970s, that first wave of immigrants' children had integrated themselves into the culture, and on the sporting field that meant the arrival of the first generation of black footballers. Like their parents before them, they received a frosty welcome, even culminating in bullets being sent through the post to players and the man! agers that selected them.
 
 The tragedy was, no one was surprised. Football across Europe is rooted in working class culture. For over a century it's been the chosen opiate of the masses, getting the male half of the population through the drudgery of the week with the promise of vicarious glory every weekend. The players were from the same factories and dirty streets as the fans, and with that came a mutual respect that bred qualities like honour, loyalty, and the spirit of fair play. As such, it was easy for football to be used as a political tool of national unification, with the likes of Mussolini taking great pride in, and claiming much of the credit for, the Italian nation side's achievements through the 1930s.
 
 The dark side of that working class culture materialised in the 1970s and '80s, as the growing spectre of hooliganism began rearing its head on a regular basis. Although portrayed by the likes of Saturday Night Live's Mike Myers as merely mindless thuggery, in reality the growing neo-fascist and nationalist organisations of Europe found willing recruits among the disillusioned hooligan youth searching for an identity every weekend. Other popular sports never confused loyalty and violence, and definitely never came with the promise of a punch up. Football became an excuse for whatever spleen venting was needed, and racist beliefs were among them.
 
 The harsh reality is that football, more than any other cultural outlet, reflects European society. No one ever stands up and screams at the cinema screen, and other sports come with too many traditions of fair play and gentlemanly manners. Football is the one arena where irrational, tribal behaviour isn't just tolerated, but positively encouraged. As long as the abuse focuses on unsettling the opposition players and fans, it's all fair game.
 
 Except racism. Football's diverse authorities, FIFA, UEFA and countless domestic leagues and associations knew that a line had to be drawn and, in the 1980s, they set up groups like Football Against Racism Europe (FARE) and Let's Kick Racism Out of Football. And although FIFA has levelled a £44,750 (roughly $83,000) at the Spanish Soccer Federation, there's only so much these groups can do. After all, it takes more than David Beckham in a Let's Kick Racism Out of Football T-shirt to make a bigot change his lifelong beliefs. Which is where football runs into a brick wall.
 
 Unlike the major American sports, each of which has a domestic governing body with enough authority to lay down the law to offending parties, world soccer is a fragmented species with power, like the proverbial football, being kicked back and forth between FIFA, UEFA, and individual associations across the globe. The true power lies with the big clubs like Manchester United, Real Madrid, and AC Milan -- billion dollar corporations with millionaire employees answerable to no one except their shareholders (or in Milan's case, owner and Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi). What the big clubs say goes, and although all have been vigorous in their condemnation of racism (apart from Roman club Lazio, which openly courts its fascist and often violent supporters), it's not like any club is putting its money where its mouth is. Indeed, Lazio and Real Madrid have even had the audacity to appeal punitive fines levied against them for their fans' abusive behaviour. And, although every year a handful of fans are ejected from stadiums for racist abuse, teams cannot simply disenfranchise supporters they only suspect of harbouring racist beliefs.
 
 The problem, quite clearly, lies as much with the individual societies of Europe as it does within football's billion-dollar corridors of power. Only a fraction of European cities have societies that could be described as anything other than multi-cultural, spawning people that, as Ron Atkinson would probably put it, aren't necessarily racist, but aren't averse to an occasional lapse of political incorrectness either. Although the far right remains a problem for football, educating casual racists remains the key to eradicating its spectre from its stadiums.
 
 Even if its governing bodies were powerful enough to throw the book at offenders, football is in no position to cast the first stone. The problems within the game -- backhanders on trade deals, sex and drug scandals, continual (and widely accepted) cheating on the pitch -- has left racism way down the list of priorities. Despite more money being in the game then ever before, it is all concentrated in the bank accounts of the big clubs. In a world where $30 million transfer fees have become commonplace, there's little left over to mount cohesive anti-racism campaigns.
 
 But perhaps hope is on the horizon. Disgusted by his own fans' racist chanting at FC Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o during a recent Spanish league match, Getafe president Angel Torres suggested that his team take the field at their next home game with blackened faces. Although this Al Jolson look was soon (and wisely) rejected, it was a rare stand by those within the game to pay more than lip service to the problem. The sooner that football can take the moral high ground, the sooner it can make a positive impression on the society it reflects. Whether the rest of Europe is willing to take such bold strokes remains to be seen.
 
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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2005, 02:16:00 pm »
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  Are you sure you don't have Manc blood?
Cork, Ireland.  Close enough, right?  Given a few of my outbursts this season and last, it's debatable.
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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2005, 06:26:00 pm »
Mankie and Manchester United fans, Shevchenko got injured today and won't play on Wednesday. Good news for you!

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2005, 10:15:00 am »
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  Mankie and Manchester United fans, Shevchenko got injured today and won't play on Wednesday. Good news for you!
Did you see his face? I hate to see inuries like that unless they're Arsenal players, but you'e right, it does give us a bit of an advantage now, although RVN is still doubtful.
 
 Glad to see Chelski got a dose of reality yesterday...their season could just about collapse completely if they aren't careful. I have nothing against them except for the arrogance of Mourinho, so hopefully this will give him a bit of humility finally. And what manager would put all your subs out at halftime without any thought for injury subsitutions in a big match like that, especially in that kind of weather? That team was in autopilot and anyone could've managed chelski with all the talent they have, so it's not like he's working miracles with nothing.....that award goes to Moyes at Everton.
 
 United got either Southampton or Brentford in the next round, I was hoping for an easy draw for a change, like Arseholes for example.  ;)
 
 Good luck to Barcelona this week....chelski are definately struggling at the moment so a perfect time to be playing them.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2005, 11:13:00 am »
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  Mankie and Manchester United fans, Shevchenko got injured today and won't play on Wednesday. Good news for you!
Did you see his face? I hate to see inuries like that unless they're Arsenal players, but you'e right, it does give us a bit of an advantage now, although RVN is still doubtful.
 
 Glad to see Chelski got a dose of reality yesterday...their season could just about collapse completely if they aren't careful. I have nothing against them except for the arrogance of Mourinho, so hopefully this will give him a bit of humility finally. And what manager would put all your subs out at halftime without any thought for injury subsitutions in a big match like that, especially in that kind of weather? That team was in autopilot and anyone could've managed chelski with all the talent they have, so it's not like he's working miracles with nothing.....that award goes to Moyes at Everton.
 
 United got either Southampton or Brentford in the next round, I was hoping for an easy draw for a change, like Arseholes for example.   ;)  
 
 Good luck to Barcelona this week....chelski are definately struggling at the moment so a perfect time to be playing them. [/b]
I didn't see any image regarding the injury, I read it in the paper and was surprised, to me he is the player that can decide a game by himself. I saw parts of Manchester United game against Everton, it seems now that Manchester United is playing the best football in England. I also watched the Chelsea Newcastle game and was also surprised by the three substitutions at the beginning of the second half, an injury would kill the game and that's what happened with the defender and later on with the red card for the goalkeeper although it was at the end of the game.
 
 As for this week, everybody in Barcelona has a lot of respect for Chelsea, but we still have a chance, let's see how it goes, good luck against Milan.
 
 And I agree, this guy is way too arrogant, remember he started as a translator for Bobby Robson.
 
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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2005, 06:13:00 pm »
Hey Adu:
 
 Beasley was a 52 minute sub  in the Champions League today and the Guaridan had this to say about Lnadon coming into the game:
 
 69 mins: Leverkusen substitutions: Franca and Donovan for Ponte and Voranin. You're 2-0 down in the Champions League so what do you do? You bring on a yank - Landon Donovan - to save the day. This should be good.
 
 79 mins: America's Landon Donovan resists the urge to pick up the ball and throw it over the endline, choosing instead to go on a surging run deep into Liverpool territory. After all his hard work, he runs up a blind alley and gets dispossessed by Jamie Carragher. Moments later, he has a good effort from 25 yards deflected over the bar for a corner.  Dudek is all over the place, the ball falls nicely for Franca at the far post, but his poor header goes over the bar.
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Re: For smackie and barcelona
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2005, 10:01:00 pm »
http://football.guardian.co.uk/championsleague200405/story/0,15008,1423279,00.html
 
 Barcelona v Chelsea
 
 People's club versus person's club doesn't tell full story
 
 Boro midfielder has played for both and sees similarities
 
 Michael Walker
 Wednesday February 23, 2005
 The Guardian
 
 Claims and generalisations attach themselves to a fixture as grand as Barcelona versus Chelsea in Camp Nou tonight.
 For those who see more than La Liga's and the Premiership's champions-elect, this is football's real thing versus football's plaything. It is historic Barca, club of 120,000 members, so pure they will not sully their shirt with a sponsor's name, against nouveau Chelsea, club of one man, Roman Abramovich - so money.
 
 The trouble with generalisations is that they simplify. So just as there is romance involved in the view of Barcelona as a dreamy meritocracy, there is more to Chelsea than Abramovich.
 
 Middlesbrough's Boudewijn Zenden has played for both Barcelona and Chelsea - he appeared in Barca's 5-1 defeat of Chelsea in the Camp Nou in 2000 - and clearly retains affection for both.
 
 Zenden described Barca as "a big web" and "not as transparent as they make out", while arguing the revolution at Chelsea is, this season, due to Jose Mourinho's talent as much as Abramovich's wallet. Zenden was not being contrary, just offering opinions beyond cliches.
 
 That famous Barca kit, for instance, invites inspection.
 
 Football and politics mix in Spain and an all-embracing view of Barcelona is that they are a left- wing club in a country in which the right wing and General Franco's regime, in particular, were represented by Real Madrid.
 
 There is truth in this. In 1936 Barcelona's president, Josep Sunyol, was murdered by Franco's troops. Franco supported Real.
 
 Sunyol was a left-winger and some of Barca's essence stems from him, including the supposed anti-commercialism involving the shirt. The fact that Barcelona were "more than a club" to Catalonia - they are its national team - is another factor.
 
 And yet just as we recall the Admiral logo on England kits of the 70s, when Barca run out tonight every player will sport four Nike swooshes, one on each sock, the shorts and chest.
 
 Given that, globally, Nike's logo has transcended the need for a written name, this is highly visible sponsorship. Barca's vice-president Sandro Rossell used to work for Nike.
 
 Joan Laporta, today's president, says of putting a name across the stripes: "The sponsor would have to pay enough money for us to be satisfied. We are aware that it is extra symbolic because our shirt has never been sponsored. That would add value."
 
 What Laporta was saying is that he sees economic "value" in Barca's purity. Be sure it will be exploited, possibly as early as next season.
 
 Laporta, however, is different in some ways to his Chelsea equivalent, Peter Kenyon. As with all Barca presidents, Laporta was elected by the socios - club members - and modelled his "Blue Elephant" election campaign partly on Manchester United fans' opposition to Rupert Murdoch's attempted takeover at Old Trafford. Laporta met some of the United fans involved.
 
 That is a grass-roots aspect of Laporta and on his election Laporta said he wanted Barca to be "clean and transparent". So there can be no hiding the fact that Barca and Real Madrid take two-thirds of Spanish TV money, thereby unbalancing the league.
 
 Zenden is fully aware of the messiness of this democratic institution. "It has a board of 64 people - everybody wants to be involved," he said.
 
 "Barcelona is the beating heart of the city and Catalonia. The socios make the club different, massive. They respond to the local media and the local media is very influential. Having said that, it is controlled by the club. It's a big web."
 
 Zenden also mentioned "passion, tradition" and, despite having won only one European Cup - in 1992 - Barcelona's status as a continental giant is unquestionable.
 
 Chelsea, by comparison, were formed 100 years ago but have won only one English title. Only on the back of the billions Abramovich made squeezing the Soviet Union could they be meeting Barca tonight.
 
 "You can't make that contrast," said Zenden. "Barcelona are at a different stage. But Chelsea are moving to a different stage - just because one man has taken over does not mean it will be a one-day butterfly.
 
 "Chelsea are in transition but they have a manager in Jose Mourinho who has already imposed a new structure. The finances mean they can change quicker, but we will see in the 40 years to come. This is not short-term.
 
 "And look at the team. They celebrate together, cry together, they are a unit. Mourinho has brought that."
 
 It promises to be a beguiling occasion, a match full of nuance. Either that or it is the ultimate people's club versus the ultimate person's club.