Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!

[chaz]

Originally posted by MindCage:
   

Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Beings:
 I didn't know those little industrial DJ kits came with a high horse.  Get over yourself, dude.

They come with a high horse and some knowledge of how the area has changed in the last 10+ years while supporting many of the establishments in the area the whole time. Unlike the majority that's moved in within the last 2 years. All they know it's a "hot" real estate market and an "upcoming" area. They couldn't give a shit about the elderly Etheopian woman who has lived there for 20 years and has the market on the corner of the block. They see that as a place "urban" people only will step foot in because it's not Whole Foods on P St. Therefore, when people hang outside of these smaller Mom and Pop markets they see it as "trouble" and want the store gone and put her store out of business. What do they want some shitty clothing store or overpriced furniture store in place of it?  Funny no one had the problem before some douchebag that just dropped $700K on a 1 bedroom condo that is afraid of the "urban" living even during the daytime. I believe the Washington Post had an article about this very same thing regarding Paradise Liquor on 14th and T St. Something like "I didn't want to subject my guests that come to visit me to see bulletproof glass." So it's not about a high horse as it is wanting to perserve my neighborhood and keep it friendly and diverse. We've had great neighborhood block parties every summer. In the last two years it's gotten smaller and smaller only because these new people don't want to associate with the rest of us.
 
 Like Jaguar said "I just don't want to be eventually forced out by the elite taking over and pushing the more affordable activities out."  Unfortunately Jag...it's already been happening and will continue to happen. Think about it...Polly's raised their prices that were just so rediculous for that place only because the newer trendy places were coming in at $10 burgers. Republic Gardens had to change around quite a bit if it even thought about staying open in the neighborhood. Why do you think they have such crazy table service for such a shithole? Because the new neighborhood bitched about all the "colored" people frequenting the neighborhood for Republic Gardens and being loud. So to help with the clientel, they've just made it more expensive hoping to elimiate the lower class people that use to frequent Republic Gardens. Neighborhood Association meetings are rather amusing sometimes. They wouldn't flat out say they were trying to shutdown every club that catered to "colored" people but funny how they keep targeting them.  I have more of an issue with the suburban white kids coming in and leaving all their bottles from the drive in and pissing in the alleys before the drive home.
 
 MindCage
 Mindless Faith
 Deep6 Productions [/b]

I agree with a majority of your points Mindcage, but your "I was here first" attitude as well as the constant downtown street-cred pissing contest you constantly engage in here smacks of the same elitism you rail against.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  The poor stay put
 

...in cities or neighborhoods/areas that have well developed rent control districts and public housing developments.  Those residents don't have much of a choice.
 
 The majority of the country is not set-up like this (DC included) and gentrification certainly exists.  Look at Houston's Third and Fourth Ward for examples.  This Freeman and Vigdor study cites two poor examples of smaller neighborhoods that may not be indicative of the city as a whole, and certainly aren't indicative of the rest of the country.
 
 I can assure you that gentrification exists on a neighborhood basis in SF (like The Tenderloin and The Mission), but is less prevelant in the further south you go of Market due to the concentration of public housing in and around Hunters Point.
 
 A really good study would be the effect new ballparks have on neighborhoods.  When you build a new ballpark, the area is rezoned as a economic improvement district and certain limitations on public housing and rent control are removed/altered.  Cleveland and the area around Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park have clearly been gentrified (and to some extent Baltimore, but that's a different conversation all together.  Neither New York nor Boston have had a new ballpark in nearly 40 years.

[Bags]

Originally posted by vansmack:
 A really good study would be the effect new ballparks have on neighborhoods.  When you build a new ballpark, the area is rezoned as a economic improvement district and certain limitations on public housing and rent control are removed/altered.  Cleveland and the area around Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park have clearly been gentrified (and to some extent Baltimore, but that's a different conversation all together.  Neither New York nor Boston have had a new ballpark in nearly 40 years.

Look at what MCI Center did to Chinatown.  Not only is it a booming residential center (and more business sustainability due to restaurants, etc., for employees), but it's a huge tourist center.  Which, alas, brought some of those chains (Fuddruckers, TGIFriday, Coyote Ugly, Hooters), but who am I to complain.  The chains bring the tourists who bring the MONEY.

[eltee]

Originally posted by you be betty:
  You all need to stop arguing, and hug.  Please.

You just wait -- you'll be one of us yet.  

[Guiny]

Well, I just got back from an 8 night vacation in the Cayman Islands and the surf and turf I got one night was 55 bucks.  So give me a 17 dollar meal any day this week!!!!!!!
 
 Great vacation though, can't say I'm happy to be back.

[MindCage]

Originally posted by Bags:
 Look at what MCI Center did to Chinatown.  Not only is it a booming residential center (and more business sustainability due to restaurants, etc., for employees), but it's a huge tourist center.  Which, alas, brought some of those chains (Fuddruckers, TGIFriday, Coyote Ugly, Hooters), but who am I to complain.  The chains bring the tourists who bring the MONEY.

This reminds me of a band that tries to make a comeback after 10 years, sounds completely different, and should be called something else.  Why the hell is it still Chinatown when you've got corporate america infested all over the place. Don't get me wrong. I love me some (*)(*)'s   (Hooters for the slow people) but there's nothing much about Chinatown other than that overhang at H and 7th St.  I swear heads will roll if Chinatown Express ever gets forced out.  There's plenty of vacant space in other buildings not far from Chinatown they could have occupied.  I can't seem to recall any other city that lets this happen in when trying to preserve a cultural area. I guess with a dirty city gov't and building developers these things will happen. Go Jamal!
 
 I hope that wasn't too street-cred pissy for you Chaz  
 
 MindCage
 Mindless Faith
 Deep6 Productions

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by MindCage:
 I can't seem to recall any other city that lets this happen in when trying to preserve a cultural area.

how about the lower manhattan, the borders of little italy, chinatown, and the jewish quarter (does it have a name?) and every other ethnic enclave have shifted for years ... it's just normal shit

[chaz]

Originally posted by MindCage:
   

Originally posted by Bags:
 Look at what MCI Center did to Chinatown.  Not only is it a booming residential center (and more business sustainability due to restaurants, etc., for employees), but it's a huge tourist center.  Which, alas, brought some of those chains (Fuddruckers, TGIFriday, Coyote Ugly, Hooters), but who am I to complain.  The chains bring the tourists who bring the MONEY.

This reminds me of a band that tries to make a comeback after 10 years, sounds completely different, and should be called something else.  Why the hell is it still Chinatown when you've got corporate america infested all over the place. Don't get me wrong. I love me some (*)(*)'s   (Hooters for the slow people) but there's nothing much about Chinatown other than that overhang at H and 7th St.  I swear heads will roll if Chinatown Express ever gets forced out.  There's plenty of vacant space in other buildings not far from Chinatown they could have occupied.  I can't seem to recall any other city that lets this happen in when trying to preserve a cultural area. I guess with a dirty city gov't and building developers these things will happen. Go Jamal!
 
 I hope that wasn't too street-cred pissy for you Chaz    
 
 MindCage
 Mindless Faith
 Deep6 Productions [/b]

No...that was within acceptable limits.