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Shadrach

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The Encore
« on: January 03, 2004, 05:12:00 am »
There is an article in The Washington Post (Style section) about how the encore has become something of a joke the way it is planned into each bands set. I've maintained for a long time that bands shouldn't do an encore unless the night and/or crowd really calls for it.
 
 It just kills me to see a band play an encore for 100 or 200 people in a club the size of 9:30. Worse even though is the rare times when bands don't play an encore and I hear people complaining as they are leaving about the lack of encore. I can't believe that the encore has become so common that folks are upset when they don't get one.
 
 Somebody who knows how should post a link to the article.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2004, 01:08:00 pm »
Planned Encores: A Clapped-Out Idea
 
 I tend to agree that planned encores are becoming the norm. Bands should leave the audience wanting more, not playing their entire catalogue + covers.

mankie

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2004, 02:16:00 pm »
Oasis don't do encore's and I admire them for it.
 
 An Oasis show, or the three I've been to, involve the regular bit with the band...then Noel does a solo bit, which has always been the best part of the show in my opinion, then the band come back on and play till the show ends...no encore. I suppose you could call the second bit with the whole band the encore, but it's not like the show ends and the lights go off and all that crap.
 
 Encore's are a load of bollocks in my opinion...I consider them the same as tips in America, everyone expects them so there's no incentive to earn it....if you know what I mean.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2004, 02:21:00 pm »
One of the things I loved about the Datsuns show in early 2003.  About 10 songs in, they paused between songs and the lead singer said something to the effect of "okay, this is when we would leave the stage and drink a beer or a bottle of water for about 4 minutes, then come back out.  So just pretend we did that."  And they did 3 more songs.
 
 Encores are so rote that they're pointless and annoying.  Sure, I stay around for them, but I'd be fine with bands just playing through until they're finished.

flawd101

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2004, 04:07:00 pm »
at first i thought yous was talking about hatebreed...which i like them more in the encore and they played almost all there songs plus covers....
 
 which i know a couple hundrd people isnt a lot but let the band do what they want and as long as fans leave happy.  if fans are still cheering, even if its so few then let them keep going. the band can leave when they want....
 
 and remember, you can leave at any moment....except staff(like sparky).

Jaguär

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2004, 06:30:00 pm »
Personally, I only feel cheated if the set was short and the crowd (no matter the size) was obviously appreciative. Or, if I know the band is doing the encores in other venues but doesn't when I see them and the crowd has been good. Granted, there are exceptions like too many unsolvable tech problems, but that's another issue altogether.
 
 I've found that it's become pretty standard for a lot of Manchester bands not to do encores but to include what would be the encore into their set.
 
 One advantage of an encore is when a band saves their most energetic songs until the end and could benefit from a little breathing, drinking, peeing, and refreshing time. The disadvantage is when the band would like the ending songs showcased but is playing for a smaller or laid back crowd. Doing an encore then is when if feels rather fake.
 
 I did see a show several months ago where when I compared the artist's set list to those in other venues, it seemed that they were smart enough to see that the crowd was lame so just circumvented the encore and just threw it into the end of the set. But, I do know of another city that got a couple extra encores afterwards due to wild audience appreciation. That crowd apparently deserved the extra encores. Just wish that I would have been there for that show instead of the lame-ass yet appreciative DC crowd.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 06:13:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Bagster:
  One of the things I loved about the Datsuns show in early 2003.  About 10 songs in, they paused between songs and the lead singer said something to the effect of "okay, this is when we would leave the stage and drink a beer or a bottle of water for about 4 minutes, then come back out.  So just pretend we did that."  And they did 3 more songs.
Vigil (a.k.a. Here Today) did something similar way back in '87 or '88. And there are probably some even earlier examples. Just put "encore" in the growing list of no-longer-meaningful words; it can join "alternative", "indie", "extreme", and, the king of them all, "cool".
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Re: The Encore
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 08:19:00 pm »
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Re: The Encore
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2004, 09:54:00 am »
Sometimes the band needs a bathroom break after a long set.  They have more to play, but can not go on.  Good example is Guided By Voices.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2004, 10:26:00 am »
GBV isn't really a good example to use. They normally play for hours before they take a break. Most bands play for maybe an hour.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2004, 11:26:00 am »
True, but I have seen others give that reason too.  Another classic was Mission of Burma who did 2 sets because they said "We are old men now".  
 
 Some of my favorite shows of all time have had no encores, and I agree I usually am against it (heck it is 5 to 10 wasted minutes of music or heading home earlier), but sometimes it is required and properly done it is great.  When the crowd is insane for more, and there is a classic or two that the band has yet to do, that is when you can be happy with an encore.  Or if they do covers that are great and unexpected, that works well.  Overall, if you have encores listed on your setlist from the beginning, there is a problem, spontanaity is great with encores.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2004, 11:32:00 am »
What about James Brown, they had to throw a blanket over him and drag him off stage...

mankie

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2004, 11:34:00 am »
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
   But, I do know of another city that got a couple extra encores afterwards due to wild audience appreciation. That crowd apparently deserved the extra encores.  
That is the true spirit of an encore in my opinion Jag...another 'encore story' that just came to mind was waaaaay back in the early days for Madness, the crowd wouldn't "let" them off the stage if you know what I mean. In the end Suggs  had to say, "We don't know any more songs, you've heard em all" so they did their second rendition of Madness and that was the end of the show.
 
 Also, at the Badly Drawn Boy show..the last one that is. He sang a song and enjoyed it so much he sang it again right after. I thought that was great personally, because I've often been at shows and heard a song that I absolutely love so if they sing it midway through the show the rest of it is an anti-climax sometimes, getting double-dipping of a fave song would make up for it.

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Re: The Encore
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2004, 11:37:00 am »
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  What about James Brown, they had to throw a blanket over him and drag him off stage...
That's because the cops (domestic violence division) showed up!