this is absurd

[manimtired]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003815486_royalty01.html

[6949]

Not absurd. Performance licenses pay the people who recorded the song. The article mentioned Avril Lavigne...this would not only pay her but also her drummer, bass player etc. Those are the musicians who are probably struggling to get by and really need to be paid for their work. If the restaurant owner is using their work why shouldn't they get paid?  
 
 Speaking of, there was a hearing on capitol hill last week that would help these musicians get paid for radio play (right now only songwriters are paid). Anyone know how it went?

[SalParadise]

if they need to get a license to sell liquor, why not to play music as well?
 
 that dying industry has to get paid somehow..

[K8teebug]

They were talking about that on Kojo Namdi the other day.

[manimtired]

Originally posted by SalParadise:
  if they need to get a license to sell liquor, why not to play music as well?
 
 that dying industry has to get paid somehow..

they arent selling music though.  if a small restaurant purchased a cd to put in their jukebox i dont see why they would need to pay for the songs again.

[nkotb]

Agreed.  It's a pathetic grabbing at straws, in my book.  They refuse to grow and accept new avenues of sales or technology, so they start charging for anything they still can.  Which cuts off an area of free advertisement for bands. Which drops record sales.  Which...
 
 It's like our metro system.  Wait, no one's riding and we're losing money?  Let's raise the rates!  That'll solve everything  :roll:  
 
 

Originally posted by manimtired:
   

Originally posted by SalParadise:
  if they need to get a license to sell liquor, why not to play music as well?
 
 that dying industry has to get paid somehow..

they arent selling music though.  if a small restaurant purchased a cd to put in their jukebox i dont see why they would need to pay for the songs again. [/b]

[6949]

Originally posted by manimtired:
   

Originally posted by SalParadise:
  if they need to get a license to sell liquor, why not to play music as well?
 
 that dying industry has to get paid somehow..

they arent selling music though.  if a small restaurant purchased a cd to put in their jukebox i dont see why they would need to pay for the songs again. [/b]

It is considered a performance of the song when it is broadcast in a restaurant, club etc. That's just the way it's always been.

[ggw]

You can't sing 'Happy Birthday' in a public place without paying royalties to Time-Warner

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  You can't sing 'Happy Birthday' in a public place without paying royalties to Time-Warner

Yep.  That's why most restaurants have their own lame versions of Happy Birthday songs.
 
 These laws aren't anything new.  I find it hard to believe most people in the business don't know about them.

[Brian_Wallace]

Originally posted by 6949:
  Not absurd. Performance licenses pay the people who recorded the song. The article mentioned Avril Lavigne...this would not only pay her but also her drummer, bass player etc.

Completely absurd.  I'm with nkotb and ManI'mTired on this one.  Does this include stores like Borders?  Will Borders have to pay for the songs they play over their sound system?  Maybe Miss Pretentious can answer that.
 
 I can't WAIT for the record industry (and radio industry) to completely implode.  Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
 
 And if you are talking about Avril Lavigne's bass player and drummer being paid for their performance of "Girlfriend" then I don't think they should be paid at all.  They should be tried for crimes against nature and good taste.
 
 Brian

[6949]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  You can't sing 'Happy Birthday' in a public place without paying royalties to Time-Warner

It's all  Sonny Bono's fault.

[manimtired]

Originally posted by 6949:
   

Originally posted by manimtired:
   

Originally posted by SalParadise:
  if they need to get a license to sell liquor, why not to play music as well?
 
 that dying industry has to get paid somehow..

they arent selling music though.  if a small restaurant purchased a cd to put in their jukebox i dont see why they would need to pay for the songs again. [/b]

It is considered a performance of the song when it is broadcast in a restaurant, club etc. That's just the way it's always been. [/b]

Is it common practice for restaurants bars to pay these fees?  Do places like 930, DC9, Black Cat do this?  I have no idea, just asking..

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by nkotb:
  It's like our metro system.  Wait, no one's riding ....

what metro system are you referring to?

[6949]

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
   

Originally posted by 6949:
  Not absurd. Performance licenses pay the people who recorded the song. The article mentioned Avril Lavigne...this would not only pay her but also her drummer, bass player etc.

Completely absurd.  I'm with nkotb and ManI'mTired on this one.  Does this include stores like Borders?  Will Borders have to pay for the songs they play over their sound system?  Maybe Miss Pretentious can answer that.
 
 I can't WAIT for the record industry (and radio industry) to completely implode.  Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
 
 And if you are talking about Avril Lavigne's bass player and drummer being paid for their performance of "Girlfriend" then I don't think they should be paid at all.  They should be tried for crimes against nature and good taste.
 
 Brian [/b]

Yes that includes borders-they probably pay a blanket license which covers a lot of songs in one shot. In the article it said this would've cost the restaurant owner $979 for a year's worth of music. Borders can afford that.
 
 Avril Lavigne was just an example.  The same could be said for the plain white t's...if their guitarist played on hey there delilah but didn't write the song he wouldn't receive a penny from radio airplay, but he would be paid by a performance license.

[nkotb]

Ours, but it wasn't put together very eloquently because of the pain killers.  It just feels like our system down here suffers from similar issues.  When Metro struggles with money and/or traffic, the first answer always seems to be raising rates, rather than fixing some of the other problems we have.
 
 

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
   

Originally posted by nkotb:
  It's like our metro system.  Wait, no one's riding ....

what metro system are you referring to? [/b]