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Sage 703

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Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« on: January 13, 2009, 05:09:07 pm »
I thought this was a great little piece and an interesting idea:

http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/sexandgender/755/a_marriage_manifesto..._of_sorts

I no longer recognize marriage. It?s a new thing I?m trying.

Turns out it?s fun.

Yesterday I called a woman?s spouse her boyfriend.

    She says, correcting me, ?He?s my husband,?
    ?Oh,? I say, ?I no longer recognize marriage.?

The impact is obvious. I tried it on a man who has been in a relationship for years,

    ?How?s your longtime companion, Jill??
    ?She?s my wife!?
    ?Yeah, well, my beliefs don?t recognize marriage.?

Fun. And instant, eyebrow-raising recognition. Suddenly the majority gets to feel what the minority feels. In a moment they feel what it?s like to have their relationship downgraded, and to have a much taken-for-granted right called into question because of another?s beliefs.

Just replace the words husband, wife, spouse, or fiancé with boyfriend, girlfriend, special friend, or longtime companion. There is a reason we needed stronger words for more serious relationships. We know it; now they can see it.

A marriage is a lot of things. Culturally, it?s a declaration to the community that two people are now a unit, and that unity should be respected. Legally, it?s a set of rights and responsibilities. And spiritually, it?s whatever your beliefs think it is.

That?s what?s so great about America. As a Constitutionally secular nation, or at least in reality a vaguely pluralistic nation, we can all have our own spiritual take on what marriage is. What?s troublesome is when one group?s spiritual beliefs deny the cultural and legal rights of another.

But, back to the point. They say their beliefs don?t recognize my marriage, I say my beliefs don?t recognize theirs. Simple. It may seem petty, and obviously the legal part of the cultural/legal/spiritual trilogy is flip-floppy, but it may be the cultural part that really matters.

People get married to be recognized as a permanent couple. To be acknowledged by friends, family, and strangers as being off the market, in a relationship, totally hooked up, yikes? it?s impossible to say without saying ?married.? We wear rings to declare this!

So, we can take this away. We can refuse to recognize marriage in the cultural sense. It is totally within our rights, as Americans, to follow our beliefs and recognize or not recognize what we like.

I guess this is a call out to all Americans with beliefs similar to mine.

If you believe that all people should have equal rights, and if you believe that marriage is one of the greatest destinations of a relationship, then perhaps you believe that nobody should have marriage until everybody does.

That?s what I believe.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 05:17:30 pm »
Novel idea.
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2009, 05:33:53 pm »
one man plus one woman equals one big divorce.

one man plus one man equals a great cocktail party where everyone dresses nice.

of all the people on this board, there are few i like to respect.  their input, there choices of words and sentence structure impressing my idea eyes.  relaxer of course, and even sweetcell (yes, tis true) . . . but vansmack is one of a kind most times, and i still feel like shit for atttacking him last week.  if i had a beer and we were in a bar i'd raise a pint your way, wink, and proclaim, "no hard feelings, mate?"

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2009, 05:39:23 pm »
Joe has used that line on me several times...I'm not buying it  :-*

one man plus one man equals a great cocktail party where everyone dresses nice.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 05:48:21 pm »
of course this discussion could have unintended consequences...
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2009, 05:51:41 pm »
underwear party sounds hot, nkotb...can i dress you up in thongs or just leather belt?  :P

Joe has used that line on me several times...I'm not buying it  :-*

one man plus one man equals a great cocktail party where everyone dresses nice.
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 05:52:35 pm »
awesome idea.  what a great platform for starting the discussion.

walkies - wait, same-sex couples can't divorce? :P 
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 05:58:32 pm »
I'm choosing to stop recognizing homosexuals as a whole until they quit bitching about their agenda. Sorry guys, few rotten apples, ya know?

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2009, 05:59:39 pm »
what agenda? Help me understand...

I'm choosing to stop recognizing homosexuals as a whole until they quit bitching about their agenda. Sorry guys, few rotten apples, ya know?
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2009, 06:01:24 pm »
I apologize in advance, I should have realized this thread was going to spin off in a direction that was unintended...just wanted to share what I thought was an interesting op-ed.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 06:01:40 pm »
what agenda? Help me understand...
Kosmo said the thread could have unintended consequences, so I'm throwing right-wing buzz expressions around to protect the sanctity of marriage.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2009, 06:07:27 pm »
awesome idea.  what a great platform for starting the discussion.

walkies - wait, same-sex couples can't divorce? :P 

we don't divorce, we have more intercourse.  sex makes all the pain go away.  and shopping.  and we love both.

and julian, i'm done bitching.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2009, 06:07:47 pm »
this is a really great idea, and something i totally agree with and never even considered in this way.  i think anything else i say will be redundant, but i mean...yeah.  you can't give one person rights and not the next.  and maybe straight couples will start to understand how it feels to be discriminated against.  bump bump bump.

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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2009, 06:08:04 pm »
I'm choosing to stop recognizing homosexuals as a whole until they quit bitching about their agenda.
because only gays have agendas.

(fyi, they're usually leather-bound with gold script - really, julian, i'd expect you to be a fan of gay agendas!  and if gays don't like their agenda, they should go shopping for a new one... they love shopping, right?  maybe jules can recommend a good source)
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Re: Let's just stop recognizing marriage as a whole
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2009, 06:08:59 pm »
I apologize in advance, I should have realized this thread was going to spin off in a direction that was unintended...just wanted to share what I thought was an interesting op-ed.

on the other hand i am surprised and quite amused that you decided to post this here.