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Thousand Made-Up Loves

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More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« on: June 07, 2011, 11:19:47 pm »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-minus-the-homeownership/2011/06/01/AG947OIH_story.html

I'll summarize this for everyone (excuse my while I wipe the vomit off my keyboard): "We're two over-privileged, selfish yuppies who have had everything handed to us on a silver platter and have never been told that life isn't fair. We've decided to no longer pursue buying property in the District because we refuse to look at anything fewer than 2BR and, of course, in anywhere other than the District's finest, hippest, coolest and toniest neighborhoods. Of course, we can't afford property under these scenarios, so we want lending rules changed to suit us because we have done EVERYTHING RIGHT IN LIFE! ** stomps foot **  (Did I mention one of us has a doctorate and we make a combined low six-figures?)"

Hey honey, three words: PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY!

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The American Dream, minus the homeownership

By Karen E.T. Garrett and R. Sam Garrett, Published: June 3

We grew up believing our American dream would include easy access to homeownership. We knew owning a home would take saving and discipline, but as a professional, married couple, buying seemed like a foregone conclusion. (Nothing is a foregone conclusion in life)  Then the housing crisis hit. Washington?s housing market has been insulated from some of the worst effects, but there is an aspect of the crisis that seems to have gone unnoticed: Otherwise qualified buyers like us who might just leave the market altogether.

Shortly before the housing crisis took hold, we thought we wanted to buy. But we never found anything we liked, (aka couldn't afford) kept on renting and continued to save on the assumption that we would buy eventually. Now, however, we?re questioning whether our American dream should include homeownership.

A few years ago, lenders readily provided mortgages to individuals who could not afford them; many of those buyers have since been foreclosed on, costing families, communities and the nation far more than money. Although we realize the reforms being considered today could ensure that what happened during the boom doesn?t happen again, some aspects of the new market, such as a potential down payment requirement of 20 percent for the most favorable terms, could exclude homebuyers who would otherwise ? and should be ? considered responsible, valuable customers.

We are exactly the kind of buyers the housing market should want. In our early 30s, we are both college graduates; one of us has a doctorate.  (You, ma'am, deserve a gold star) We have a combined six-figure income and excellent credit. Including our retirement contributions, we save at least 30 percent of our income each month. We carry little debt, pay off our credit cards every month and don?t have a car ? or the expense that comes with it. (Obviously you are not saving enough. Maybe you should move to Odenton or Olney or Manassas or Mitchelville).

Nonetheless, aside from the occasional doubt we feel about bucking conventional wisdom and not purchasing property, we?re no closer to buying today than we were before the crisis. Not only are we uncomfortable paying the mortgage that would be required, but we also have determined we simply don?t want to participate in the market under current conditions.

And why should we? (WAAAAH! I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE GAME BY THE RULES!)

It?s prohibitively expensive to purchase a home ? especially in the District but also in the Washington suburbs. An average two-bedroom condo in many parts of town (i.e. Washington's finest, hippest, coolest, toniest neighborhoods) starts at $400,000 (townhouses and single-family homes can be more), which means homebuyers need at least $80,000 to achieve a 20 percent down payment. Even if our income technically places us in upper-income status, our lifestyle and financial sensibilities remain middle class.  ::)  Despite our professional jobs, $80,000 is daunting, at best. Ironically, however, we earn too much to qualify for some programs designed to help first-time homebuyers (and thank the Lord for that, let those programs go to those who truly don't live comfortable lives); lenders have also told us that many condos ? a staple for new owners in the District ? are increasingly difficult to finance.

Even without these financing challenges, it?s also prohibitively costly to add a mortgage to monthly expenses for those who are used to renting ? especially in and around the District. If we decided to buy, the resulting mortgage would be twice our current rent. (Quite possibly the most absurd take in the column. Yeah, if you're talking an $800k Col Heights 2BR). The difference is staggering and would require significant lifestyle changes that don?t necessarily seem worth it to us, including backing off on long-term retirement savings. (Oh you mean moving out from one of DC's hippest, toniest, coolest 'hoods? Tha fucking horror).

Our homebuying odyssey began long before recent regulations were proposed and long before the housing crisis. We said no to no-money-down years ago.

We didn?t buy when many others did, especially when prices were even more exorbitant than now. Perhaps this makes us suckers to some, but maybe it makes us responsible. (Why the hell would that make you a sucker? And does it or does it not make you responsible???? Make up your mind. You didn't bite because you couldn't find what you wanted and housing was ridiculously overpriced, even in DC. Because you were smart enough to pass on those tempting no-money-down loans, you are stuck playing by different rules in a different housing market. Make up your fucking mind already.) We don?t believe we are owed a chance to buy a home. (Then what the hell was the fucking point of this column??) But we are concerned that homeownership in markets such as the District might not even be an option. (No, it's totally an option, but you are obviously too ignorant, despite your professional low-six figure-paying income and household doctorate, to admit and/or accept that living in the District, no matter renting or owning, requires sacrifices unless you are so independently wealthy you can live wherever the hell you want).

We?ve been told homeownership is crucial to the American economy, but the current environment may be generating a group of people who are choosing not to buy. (You aren't choosing not to buy, the decision has already been made for you: YOU CAN'T, at least under these rules) The housing boom and bust isn?t only about banks, regulators and questionable loans. At least for us, it?s about a shift in the American dream that may exclude homeownership. (The American Dream isn't homeownership, honey)

One day the old dream might be ours. For now, we?re keeping our money in the bank. (Probably the first decent take you've made so far. Too bad it took you the entire column to make it).

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ggw

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 12:33:13 am »
Wow - I totally agree with a TMUL rant.

First of all, these people do make stupid claims.
1) We don't feel entitled to a home, but here are all the reasons we really do feel entitled.
2) The housing crisis was caused by people who couldn't afford a mortgage being given a mortgage. We can't afford a mortgage but we deserve one anyway.

Second, their numbers don't make any sense. If they were looking at the top of the market that means they have been looking for 4 years. Assuming they really do make six figures and really do save 30%, they should have a lot of money banked already. If not, they can likely borrow from their 401k with no penalties.  Also, the mortgage on a 400k home with 20% down is about $1800 month. I can't imagine they are paying much less than that in rent.

Finally, the 20% rule is not a new regulation. It is the standard that was in place before the housing crisis. It's also not a regulation, it's just a guideline. There are plenty of lenders out there happy to write you a second so you can buy with 10% or less.

Bottom line, these people sound full of shit and self-entitled.

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 12:40:30 am »
why should they buy? it makes no sense to buy in the district currently...the market is and has been inflated since at least 04...

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 12:45:48 am »
why should they buy? it makes no sense to buy in the district currently...the market is and has been inflated since at least 04...

shhhh...

http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/the_fast_moving_single_family_home_market_in_capitol_hill/3515
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Thousand Made-Up Loves

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 10:49:19 am »
Superfluous use of initials (in which both writers are guilty of) also display excessive vanity.

Guys, this is why YOU write your op-eds.

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 11:11:17 am »
If they hadn't blown serious cash on a college degree, and a doctorate (I think I just got some pre-ejaculate dribble out) that most companies couldn't give a flying fuck about, they could've paid cash for a house.

SUCKERS!!!

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 11:28:51 am »
Do most doctoral students "pay" for their PHD work? I mean, they're working for slave wages as research and teaching assistants (or going part time while working full time as government workers), but they're not actually paying, right?

Thousand Made-Up Loves

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 11:43:43 am »
If they hadn't blown serious cash on a college degree, and a doctorate (I think I just got some pre-ejaculate dribble out) that most companies couldn't give a flying fuck about, they could've paid cash for a house.

SUCKERS!!!

Bwahah. Totally agree. A PhD in political studies is nothing more than an exercise in vanity.

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 12:09:07 pm »
If they hadn't blown serious cash on a college degree, and a doctorate (I think I just got some pre-ejaculate dribble out) that most companies couldn't give a flying fuck about, they could've paid cash for a house.

SUCKERS!!!

didn't your daughter just graduate from college?  who paid for that?
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Frank Gallagher

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 01:16:30 pm »
Scholarships baby....same as law school. Her mother made up the small difference by selling the huge house I paid the lions share of mortgage for the previous 16 years...

She's not bitch'in about not being able to buy a house though.

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 04:01:08 pm »
I bet this dude gets all sorts of action with the coeds:


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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 05:11:03 pm »
I bet this dude gets all sorts of action with the fratboys:



No doubt...more arse than a toilet seat!!

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 06:27:03 pm »
nice change.  fratboys?  yuck.  who can stand them?  they are worse . . . than women.

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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2011, 09:02:44 pm »
Ha. I saw his profile. So you think this is the same guy on the left here? This is the only photo of a Karen Griffith I can find:


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Re: More overpriviledged whining in the District Version 2,502
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 09:03:02 pm »
No doubt...more arse than a toilet seat!!

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