Musicological banter

[James Ford]

I still say ZZ Top. Gayest band name ever.

I always find weird stuff in old LPs. Never anything valuable though. Weed seeds and stems, Porn DVDs, divorce papers, newspaper clippings. The two most interesting items were a creepy black and white photo of a very old woman inside of Black Sabbath's Vol. 4 and possible homosexual love letter (can't remember what record that was in though)

If I was expecting to find a homosexual love letter in an LP, I'd guess it was probably Bette Midler, Yaz, the Smiths, or the Rollins Band. Something like Torch Song Trilogy or Hedwig would be too obvious. I think those automatically come with gay love letters.

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

I still say ZZ Top. Gayest band name ever.

Not to mention they take the concept of a mustache ride to absolute extremes. Good call, Rhett.

[Hexenjagd]

So I was asked by a traveling hip hop MC (who I kind of know) if I knew any good local hip-hop for Baltimore, to add to a show at Club K next week.  I told him "sure" and sent a list of people that I like.  Height, Mighty Mark, Mickey Free, Sam from Future Islands, Glittoris aka Sara of Wing Dam/Which Magic...

He then proceeded to contact Mighty Mark, and book him.  Without listening to his music.  I get a message a bit later saying "oh no. Big Booby Bitch is one of his songs?"  To which i reply "yeah, he is a Bmore Club dude, most of his music will be like that."

To which he replied "We'll survive it. Just have to suspend our feminism for a night."

Anyways this is directed to him but I am not saying it to his face, since I kind of know him:

1.  You didn't listen before you booked him?  That is on you, because you asked me who I LIKED.  No caveats about what type of hip-hop it could be.

2.  Feminists?  I am not a fan of guys who label themselves that.  You are NOT a feminist.  You are a dude who is empathetic to the struggles of females.  ALL males should be this way without trying to label themselves.   SMH

3.  The addition of MM playing (and also Ricky Ray) means that people MIGHT ACTUALLY SHOW UP.  if they werent booked, the show would draw... Maybe 5 people.

Anyways, I thought the whole situation was humorous and thought I would share... (the feminist stuff should be taken with a grain of salt, i really don't care what people label themselves, just thought it was a bit silly)
A nice write up on male feminists:
http://monkeysgonetoheaven.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/is-the-male-feminist-nothing-but-an-oxymoron/

[azaghal1981]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

[azaghal1981]

On a related feminist note, The two members of Pussy Riot that were recently released from prison have been unceremoniously booted from the collective. The letter does make some valid points; the most valid being that appearing at a big corporate orgy like the one that happened last night goes against what they theoretically stand for.

[stevewizzle]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

[atomic]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

[azaghal1981]

This would make you a male chauvinist.

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

[stevewizzle]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic... if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

[James Ford]

Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

[atomic]

Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

[atomic]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic... if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

[stevewizzle]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic... if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

[atomic]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic... if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

You are a poor loser.

[stevewizzle]

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic... if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

You are a poor loser.

true, but you changed the rules of the game.