Musicological banter

[Vas Deferens]

Between 10:30 and 11 pm is a good guess for Dean Ween. Ottobar is usually on time.

[Yada]

thanks!

[Hexenjagd]

Why Wye Oak dropped the guitar:
http://www.elle.com/news/culture/sxsw-wye-oak

What was the most empowering part of that process, trouncing writer's block?

Just the realization that the fate of this band was in my hands. It was a good thing, though, because I honestly thought that the fact that I couldn't write any more guitar songs meant that Wye Oak wouldn't exist. The most empowering thing I can imagine was realizing that the band could be whatever I'd want it to be. All told, it's about the songs themselves, and whatever path I take to get to those songs, and however I decide to dress them up aesthetically, that's the heart of it. It's always been about the songs themselves.

[kosmo vinyl]

It totally made my day to find out that Andy Partridge turned an offer to join the Pat Travers band and Colin Moulding turned down an offer to tour as bass player with Pink Floyd. Andy has been setting some XTC facts straight via twitter of late. https://twitter.com/xtcfans

[Hexenjagd]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

[ggw]

Even the NY Times critics think change is bad:

"So when Macklemore bests Mr. Lamar ? and Jay Z, Drake and Kanye West ? for a rap Grammy award, he makes sure that he kisses the ring. ?I robbed you? is a strikingly powerful phrase in this context: a white artist?s muscling into a historically black genre, essentially uninvited, and taking its laurel. In a nutshell, this is the entire cycle of racial borrowing in an environment of white privilege: black art, white appropriation, white guilt, repeat until there?s nothing left to appropriate."

[azaghal1981]

Homophobic, totally.


Whether or not he is being racist is definitely debatable. White people have been culturally appropriating music made by African Americans and not fairly giving them credit since at least the 20's if not earlier. Then there is Orientalism which has been going on for much longer.


So yeah, Hard to blame him for at least being a little wary of white appropriation (it happened a long time ago and these arguments are about 20 years too late though).
The homophobic stuff is inexcusable, however.

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

[azaghal1981]

The moment when the misappropriation of rap by white people was complete

[ggw]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

Mon dieu, Julian!

"Nouveau" - not "neuvo"

Also, "en" route, not "on" route.

[Yada]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

Mon dieu, Julian!

"Nouveau" - not "neuvo"

Also, "en" route, not "on" route.

PWNT

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

Mon dieu, Julian!

"Nouveau" - not "neuvo"

Also, "en" route, not "on" route.

I've commented on this several times. I can only use voice to text. It's spotty at best.

[ggw]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

Mon dieu, Julian!

"Nouveau" - not "neuvo"

Also, "en" route, not "on" route.

I've commented on this several times. I can only use voice to text. It's spotty at best.

And your voice to text program defaults to Estonian?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neuvo

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/lord-jamar-rap-hip-hop-conservative.html

Is Mr Lord Jamar racist and homophobic, or does he have a point?  Should hip-hop stay in the realm of only alpha male black dudes?  Are white rappers, white fans, and gay rappers watering down the whiskey?  is he just old and out of touch with the times?  isnt change good?  Should that culture  limit itself to one thing, or should it be adaptive?

(my thoughts are: the more diverse the voices, the more diverse the product. Hip hop and all genres of music should be for all mankind, NOT just one group of people)

Use the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule. If I said this same thing about African-American neuvo-riche "watering down" my yacht club, I'd get banned from here.

Mon dieu, Julian!

"Nouveau" - not "neuvo"

Also, "en" route, not "on" route.

I've commented on this several times. I can only use voice to text. It's spotty at best.

And your voice to text program defaults to Estonian?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neuvo

I don't know how these things work. I never claimed to be some sort of technology guru, go ask van smack about that. I'm a fashion and culture Guru.

[slappy]

I'm a fashion and culture Guru.

Aka...