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Legendary Local Killjoy Updates M.O. for Mobile Internet Age
« on: August 26, 2013, 09:46:17 pm »
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Time to ban smartphones at concerts?
Monday - 8/26/2013, 9:30am  ET

 ianagain.JPG Ian MacKaye, in the office of Dischord Records, says, 'Society is stoned on technology.'

(WTOP/Neal Augenstein)
WASHINGTON - Ian MacKaye saw the telltale tiny blue dot.

The D.C. hardcore punk pioneer was speaking to an auditorium full of college students in New England. In one of the last rows, one audience member appeared to be either sleeping or listening reverently.

But that blue dot in his glasses gave him away.

"I said to him, 'You in the back, you're texting,'" MacKaye says.

In a good-natured tone of voice, MacKaye explained to the surprised young man how his texting had been discovered.

"'Just so you know, that blue dot in your glasses, I can see it,'" recalls MacKaye.

MacKaye is not the first or only musician to notice audience members focused on their phones.

Last month, in the middle of a song at the historic Newport Folk Festival, the singer for The Lumineers addressed the crowd:

"What do you say we put away those cellphones and cameras and just be here, right now?"

The audience cheered the suggestion.

Also in July, Beyonce encouraged a distracted fan during a singalong, "You've got to seize this moment, put that damn camera down."

When the now-focused fan sang along, Beyonce rewarded him with, "Yes, that's much better."

In the 1980s, as the frontman of Minor Threat and guitarist in Fugazi, MacKaye often had rambunctious fans leaping on stage to sing along and mosh, before diving back into the crowd.

Today, MacKaye sees preoccupation with smartphones as a distraction.

"Our society at the moment is stoned on technology," says MacKaye, sitting at the dining room table in a North Arlington, Va., house that used to be known as "Dischord House" - where members of Minor Threat practiced and the Dischord label was launched.
Citing psychological research that texting and tweeting prompts a pleasing jolt of dopamine, MacKaye likens consistent smartphone use to marijuana use in the 1970s.

"Quite literally, people are a little high on technology," MacKaye says.

While not suggesting mandatory compliance, MacKaye believes smartphone-wielding fans are cheating themselves because the energy at shows comes from the audience, rather than the band.

"I want the audience to have a sense of their responsibility in terms of making a show," he says. "Not the responsibility to us, but their responsibility to themselves."

Seth Hurwitz, co-owner of the 9:30 Club and I.M.P. Productions -- which produces major concerts at venues that include Merriweather Post Pavilion -- says customers constantly fidgeting with smartphones isn't limited to music.

"This is happening everywhere, isn't it? It's happening at the movies. It's happening in restaurants. It's the same problem with yet another setting," Hurwitz says.
Making people aware their smartphone use can be distracting to others is a first step, says Hurwitz.

In general, Hurwitz believes enforcing smartphone rules would "probably make more of a commotion than the activity itself, so I think the best you can do is put up some notices reminding people, sort of like those things that run before movies now."

"There have been bands that have actually requested us to put up signs. We'll put up signs, but I don't think we want to be sending (9:30 Club security guy) Big Josh into the audience, bothering people that are texting," says Hurwitz.

At Wolf Trap, audience members during last week's concert featuring Cheap Trick and Pat Benatar were reminded by ushers to avoid photography, including with smartphones.

"Our photo policy is based on artist discretion, and we honor the artist and their management's approach to photography and the use of smartphones during performances," says Camille Cintron, manager of public relations for Wolf Trap Foundation for the Performing Arts.

Hurwitz's entertainment entities embrace social media and are fully engaged on Facebook and Twitter.

While excited fans often share photos, Vines and Instagrams during shows at the 9:30 Club, Hurwitz hopes they'll use common sense and courtesy.

"Word of mouth is great for anything, whether it's a restaurant, a movie or a concert, but you don't want people standing up in the middle of the restaurant yelling, 'Hey, this is a great restaurant!' to their friends," Hurwitz says.

"You can tell your friends about a great show or a great artist, without bothering other people."

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 10:08:02 pm »
stoned is a good way of thinking about it..

i was waiting for the train the other day... everyone on the platform other than me was staring at their smart phone like zombies..

there's a new ad on tv for some smart phone about the pix a phone takes.. the woman is at a concert and takes a picture and is busy zeroing in on the drummer and then sharing it with her friends.. she is missing the entire song.. and the ad is banking on the "this is cool" message..

i think its just sad..

stop the world i'm getting off!

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I do agree Ian M. is a killjoy though... he's been just terrible for this town..him and the dischord mafia.. I wish they'd retire to Florida already..
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 10:11:40 pm »
Seth's been callled alot of thingsl I wonder if he's ever been calleda killjoy before?

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 10:20:55 pm »
this should probably be filed under "real life imitates the onion"

i'd love to see ian prowling through an audience smacking phones out of their hands like cigarettes
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 11:41:26 pm »
Some of you must have been at that December Evens show. The five-minute lecture he gave before it was one of the most unnecessary/absurd things I've witnessed an artist do at a show. He was talking down to us as though we were children. It was insulting. You don't want anyone using phones? Fine. Put up a fucking sign. 99% of us will do what it says. If you want to address it, do it in a subtle, brief, humorous manner. Anything more makes you look like a dick that is trying to tell grown adults how to behave at concerts.

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 12:57:57 am »
Some of you must have been at that December Evens show. The five-minute lecture he gave before it was one of the most unnecessary/absurd things I've witnessed an artist do at a show. He was talking down to us as though we were children. It was insulting. You don't want anyone using phones? Fine. Put up a fucking sign. 99% of us will do what it says. If you want to address it, do it in a subtle, brief, humorous manner. Anything more makes you look like a dick that is trying to tell grown adults how to behave at concerts.



he's been doing it for 30 years, why should it be any different now?

I'd love to see a Stephin Merritt / Ian MacKaye double bill.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 09:42:05 am »
if they hate phones at concerts so much . . . fucking quit music and go get a job bagging groceries you bunch of spoiled pussies.  fuck off.  make tickets ten dollars.  sign autographs before and after shows.  play what the crowd wants.  and again, fuck off.  remember who pays your fucking check, and makes it so that you can be up on that fucking stage.  us.  we do.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013, 09:53:41 am »
whoa whoa whoa!  being a rockstar is hard!  So hard there's even songs about how hard it is.


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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 10:27:03 am »
if they hate phones at concerts so much . . . fucking quit music and go get a job bagging groceries you bunch of spoiled pussies.  fuck off.  make tickets ten dollars.  sign autographs before and after shows.  play what the crowd wants.  and again, fuck off.  remember who pays your fucking check, and makes it so that you can be up on that fucking stage.  us.  we do.

this is so true... if going to concerts wasn't beginning to resemble going on a vacation- good lord the time and expense one has to put into it- people wouldn't feel like they need to take frickin' pictures/videos to remember it by and share the experience...

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 10:29:53 am »
that . . . is very true.

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2013, 11:13:17 am »
Ian might not have wanted phones out during the 2640 the Evens show earlier this year, (he did a slight rant) but he was cool enough to sell records, sign autographs and take pictures with people.  I would definitely go see them (or any band/project he might be in) again and do not mind if there is a camera/phone ban (and I LOVE taking show photos, at least 1 to 5 per set... I have thousands on my computer(and i TRY to be unobtrusive when I take mine)). Its his prerogative. 

And guys, you can go to less expensive shows!

I RARELY pay more than $10 for a night of live music, and i go out at least once a week, every week.  I save the $25 shows for special occasions, and the more than $50 for REALLY special occasions.

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 11:25:48 am »
if they hate phones at concerts so much . . . fucking quit music and go get a job bagging groceries you bunch of spoiled pussies.  fuck off.  make tickets ten dollars.  sign autographs before and after shows.  play what the crowd wants.  and again, fuck off.  remember who pays your fucking check, and makes it so that you can be up on that fucking stage.  us.  we do.

Truth be told, Ian has kept ticket prices at $5-$15 for the very reason of knowing who pays to go to a show.
http://boingboing.net/2012/11/26/ian-mackaye-minor-threat-fug.html

And he stated the reason he doesn't like phones is for audience engagement for more group enjoyment. To me, it's similar to 'Throw you arms in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care'. Do you get mad at artists that tell the audience to jump, dance, sing, etc. because you paid money and they should do all the work?

If you look at it from another viewpoint, don't pay to go to his shows if you want to text. Some artists aren't in it to get rich. I don't think Ian fits in the 'spoiled pussies' file. He jams econo and would gladly sign an autograph.

Dischord mafia is laughable! What exactly has Dischord done to this town?

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 11:33:56 am »
my point was not so much my specifics . . . but more so, youre in a band, so shut up.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 12:05:28 pm »
Not wanting phones to interfere with the experience is fine but once you rant about them for five minutes, they have interfered.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2013, 12:20:45 pm »
Good thing his phone rant at 2640 was only 30 seconds (maybe one minute)!