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ggw

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 02:57:00 pm »
I didn't actually write that article.....
 
 I don't begrudge him his right to take full advantage of all the tax shelters available to a man of his means.  Then again, I also don't venerate him as some paragon of charity.
 
 And how much money does Bono really donate?  I've never seen any figures.

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 03:08:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I didn't actually write that article.....
 
 
I know, but you have posted it twice in arguments over U2's talent as a band, which inevitably delves somewhat superficially into the extra-curricular Bono musings (sometimes by the U2 supporter, but more often than not by the former U2 listener who is now a hater by virtue of Bono's fame).  Tolerating Bono's preaching is likely the difference between a diehard fan of U2 and a casual fan or hater of U2.  But it should say nothing of the band's music or talent, but it always does on message boards like this one.  
 
 That being said, had you posted the slightly more "fair and balanced" (and probably better written) Bloomberg piece the second time, I might have given you some leeway:
 
 Bono, Preacher on Poverty, Tarnishes Halo With Irish Tax Move
 By Fergal O'Brien
 
 Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Bono, the rock star and campaigner against Third World debt, is asking the Irish government to contribute more to Africa. At the same time, he's reducing tax payments that could help fund that aid.
 
 After Ireland said it would scrap a break that lets musicians and artists avoid paying taxes on royalties, Bono and his U2 bandmates earlier this year moved their music publishing company to the Netherlands. The Dublin group, which Forbes estimates earned $110 million in 2005, will pay about 5 percent tax on their royalties, less than half the Irish rate.
 
 ``Among the wealthiest people I suppose it's the norm,'' Jill Cassidy, 23, said on South King Street near a plaque marking the site of Dublin's Dandelion market, where U2 played some of its earliest concerts. ``In U2's position, it does come across as quite hypocritical.''
 
 The tax move has tainted the image of Bono, nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and U2 at home. Now promoting a new DVD, book and album, the band is fighting back. Lead guitarist David Evans, known as The Edge, earlier this month defended the publishing company's move as a sensible decision for a group that makes 90 percent of its money outside Ireland.
 
 ``Our business is a very complex business,'' Evans said Oct. 2 on Dublin radio station Newstalk, breaking the band's silence after weeks of public criticism. ``Of course we're trying to be tax-efficient. Who doesn't want to be tax-efficient?''
 
 As residents of Ireland, members of U2 remain liable for personal income taxes. Any Irish-based companies they control will pay taxes on their profits.
 
 `Poor Example'
 
 Principle Management, U2's management company, declined to comment when Bloomberg asked for a statement from Bono.
 
 Dublin-born Bono has been mentioned as a candidate for Nobel Peace Prize since 2003. The Norwegian Nobel Committee on Oct. 13 awarded the 2006 prize to Bangladeshi banker Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank for advancing social and economic development by giving loans to the poor.
 
 Bono, 46, has toured Africa, established the pressure group Debt AIDS Trade Africa and become one of the most vocal supporters of the Make Poverty History campaign. In July 2005, he helped persuade world leaders to double aid for Africa to $50 billion a year by 2010 and erase the debt of the 18 poorest countries on the continent.
 
 ``I can see no connection between what he is doing and Make Poverty History,'' said Richard Murphy, a director at U.K.-based Tax Research Ltd. and author of a book called ``Money Matters: Artist's Financial Guide.'' ``He is setting a poor example by his tax affairs.''
 
 `Creative' Income
 
 At a concert last year in Croke Park, Dublin's biggest stadium, Bono appealed to Prime Minister Bertie Ahern to raise overseas aid to 0.7 percent of gross national product by 2007 from 0.5 percent now. The crowd responded by booing Ahern.
 
 The political catcalls have now turned on Bono, whose real name is Paul Hewson.
 
 ``It seems odd, in a situation where they enjoy an already favorable tax regime, they would move operations to the Netherlands to get an even more favorable rate,'' said Joan Burton, finance spokeswoman for the opposition Labour Party.
 
 For years, Bono and U2 got a better deal than most Irish taxpayers because songwriters paid no tax on earnings from music publishing. That will change next year, when Ireland limits the tax exemption, which also applies to writers and artists. From Jan. 1, artists that make more than 500,000 euros ($625,450) will pay tax on half their ``creative'' income, according to Ireland's Revenue Authority.
 
 Remaining in Ireland would have forced Bono to pay a 42 percent tax on such earnings. Alternatively, the band could have channeled profits through a company to pay the 12.5 percent corporation tax.
 
 Millennium Goals
 
 Wealthy individuals have put about $11.5 trillion in tax havens around the world, according to a 2005 paper by the London- based Tax Justice Network. Unpaid taxes on those assets could amount to $255 billion, the paper said.
 
 ``That's five times the amount needed to achieve the Millennium Development Goals, which Bono says he's really interested in,'' Murphy said, referring to a United Nations plan to eradicate poverty and combat the spread of AIDS. ``My answer is, put your money where your mouth is.''
 
 Some fans accept the band's explanation of its tax planning because U2 has been generous in the past.
 
 ``They've paid plenty of money up to now,'' said Peter Cooper, 58, who lives in Bray, near Bono's home in Dalkey. ``I think they are quite right'' to move the company abroad.
 
 Paul McGuinness, the band's manager, said in the Oct. 4 issue of the music magazine Hot Press that Ireland itself had benefited from low taxes. The country's 12.5 percent profit tax - - half the European Union average -- has helped Ireland lure investment from companies such as Intel Corp. and Dell Inc.
 
 That reasoning has done little to help Bono ease criticism of the tax move.
 
 ``I don't think it's justified,'' said Sean Lynch, a 28- year-old artist. ``Social conscience is the thing I would like to address to them.''
 
 To contact the reporter on this story: Fergal O'Brien in Dublin at fobrien@bloomberg.net
 
 Last Updated: October 15, 2006 19:08 EDT
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TheDirector217

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 03:13:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   Get the fuck outta here . . . .
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument.  When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down.  This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss. [/b]
You're one of the more rational people I've ever seen on this board.  And since you phrased it that way, I realized that you're absolutely right.  It seems like a lotta cats love for bands here decreases exponentially with every 100,000 or so units moved.  LOL . . . .

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 03:26:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I didn't actually write that article.....
 
 I don't begrudge him his right to take full advantage of all the tax shelters available to a man of his means.  Then again, I also don't venerate him as some paragon of charity.
 
 And how much money does Bono really donate?  I've never seen any figures.
So if there was easily located figure of Bono's donations to charity placed out there by him or his "people" wouldn't that make him more of a hypocrite/megalomaniac/egomaniac???  Charity isn't always a square number, but that's just my two cents . . . (pun intended)

Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 03:35:00 pm »
This cat still loves Guided By Voices, in spite of allthe 100K units moved. But I bet it doesn't love U2.
 
 
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   Get the fuck outta here . . . .
Right or wrong, you can't win this argument.  When you're on top as U2 have been for years, there's no place to go but down.  This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss. [/b]
You're one of the more rational people I've ever seen on this board.  And since you phrased it that way, I realized that you're absolutely right.  It seems like a lotta cats love for bands here decreases exponentially with every 100,000 or so units moved.  LOL . . . . [/b]

Cock Van Der Palm

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2006, 03:36:00 pm »
Vansmack - Amen brother.  Perfect observation of many on this board.

ggw

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2006, 03:38:00 pm »
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  So if there was easily located figure of Bono's donations to charity placed out there by him or his "people" wouldn't that make him more of a hypocrite???  Charity isn't always a square number, but that's just my two cents . . . (pun intended)
Why would that make him more of a hypocrite?
 
 It's just funny that there are never any citations about him giving xx.xx amount to such-and-such organization.  It's just a lot of abstract mentions about his "generosity" without ever quantifying it.
 
 Perhaps he really does put his money where his mouth is. I've just never seen anything concrete.
 
 He wouldn't be the first (nor the last) to cultivate an image of philanthropy that he never really lived up to.

Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2006, 03:42:00 pm »
When you're that rich, what else are you going to do other than give a good chunk of it to charity?

Big KC

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2006, 03:45:00 pm »
i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
 
 I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
 
 enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
 just don't confuse the two.

Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2006, 03:48:00 pm »
What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
 
 
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Originally posted by Big KC:
  i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
 
 I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
 
 enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
 just don't confuse the two.

ggw

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2006, 03:56:00 pm »
Then he'd be Elvis Costello.
 
 
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Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
  What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
 
   
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Originally posted by Big KC:
  i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
 
 I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
 
 enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
 just don't confuse the two.
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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2006, 04:01:00 pm »
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 This board despises anything that's on top - its the nature of earning indie cred: be the first to discover, then the first to diss.
too friggin true around here...  and this has been going on for how many years that I occasionally been dropping by here?

Big KC

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2006, 04:02:00 pm »
and i wouldn't call him friend...

TheDirector217

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2006, 05:01:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
  What if he called a black dude the "N" word?
 
   
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Originally posted by Big KC:
  i like U2, and I wouldn't enjoy them any less if Bono was a savior or full of shit...
 
 I don't get why fans allow a musician's personal finance, tax efficiency, charity work or social lives figure into their albums or tour dates. Save for the proceeds going to benefit global deforestation, I don't really care what happens off the record.
 
 enjoy your tabloids. enjoy your music.
 just don't confuse the two.
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Then I guess he'd still reap 1/4 of the DVD profits with Jerry, Jason, & Julia.  LOL

HoyaSaxa03

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Re: Bands that toured too much this year
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2006, 07:39:00 pm »
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  There is no such thing as a band touring too much.  This is the worst thread ever.
you don't think a band can get overexposed? i think interpol definitely did that with the non-stop touring of a year or two ago
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