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vansmack

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2003, 12:06:00 pm »
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  i wouldnt call the Red Sox bad.  Its just the Yankees they cant beat.
I thought they played the Mets in 86?
 
 And when ou send Nomar to Anaheim after the season, can you send him without his inability to get a hit in a close game (save for last night)?
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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2003, 12:12:00 pm »
Well, clearly they are the underdog, so just losing would not qualify for "falling apart".
 
   So they will have to get a lead then lose it, late in the game. Which i doubt will happen seeing as how good thier bullpen has been. I say, we lose early or we no lose at all.
 
   And if i was a betting man, i would bet on the Sox.
 
    (i am not a betting man)

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2003, 12:14:00 pm »
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  Now lets predict how the Sox will fall apart tonight.  Any takers?
NY 10
 BOS 2

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2003, 12:20:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Now lets predict how the Sox will fall apart tonight.  Any takers?
NY 10
 BOS 2 [/b]
BOS 6
 NYY 4

vansmack

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2003, 12:21:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Well, clearly they are the underdog, so just losing would not qualify for "falling apart".
 
   So they will have to get a lead then lose it, late in the game. Which i doubt will happen seeing as how good thier bullpen has been. I say, we lose early or we no lose at all.
 
   And if i was a betting man, i would bet on the Sox.
 
    (i am not a betting man)
Actually, you're somehow the favorite:
 
 AMERICAN LEAGUE PRO BASEBALL
 10/16/03 (PT) FAVORITE ODDS UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
 5:15 --------------Boston------- 114------- NY  Yankees ----- 7½
 
 But you're right, the fall I'm talking about is blowing the big lead or the one play where you had a chance to end the game and don't.
 
 I'm thinking the Sox will light up the Rocket, who might actually get tossed at some point when he hits somebody and Pedro cruises for a while after hitting the first batter he faces.  The Sox have a two run lead, Grady brings in Jackson for the defensive replacement in the eighth, he makes the error in the ninth and the next batter hits a two run homerun to tie it.  The stories start spinning.  Then the Sox get a couple runners on and two outs in the 11th, Jackson bats where MVP Todd Walker should have been batting, he strikes out and a Yankee hits a walk-off home run the bottom half of the inning.
 
 And the cities of Boston and Chicago take the rest of the week off to recover.
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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2003, 12:31:00 pm »
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 AMERICAN LEAGUE PRO BASEBALL
 10/16/03 (PT) FAVORITE ODDS UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
 5:15 --------------Boston------- 114------- NY  Yankees ----- 7½
 [/QB]
can you explain that to me?  I dont get the 114 and 7 1/2
 
   (see, i am not a betting man)
 
 what does all that mean?

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2003, 12:35:00 pm »
and of all the mistakes the Red Sox may or may not make, i think a managerial mistake (replacing Walker with Jackson or soemthing) is one of the last ones possible.
 
   Saving Pedro for Game 5 in Oakland
   Starting Burkett in Game 4 in Oakland
   Pitching Lowe in the 9th in Game 5 in Oakland
   Pinch-Hitting Varitek in Game 4 in Boston (ALCS)
   Saving Pedro until tonight.
   Starting Wakefield in Game 4.
 
   a lot of decisions he made, all (except saving Pedro for tonight) have worked out brilliantly so far.
   I'll trust Little from now on.
 
 my prediction, two words....Gabe Kapler.  just wait.

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2003, 12:38:00 pm »
Real men play EVERY game!

ggw

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2003, 12:45:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 my prediction, two words....Gabe Kapler.  just wait.
What does Mr. Kotter have to do with baseball?
 
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vansmack

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2003, 12:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 AMERICAN LEAGUE PRO BASEBALL
 10/16/03 (PT) FAVORITE ODDS UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
 5:15 --------------Boston------- 114------- NY  Yankees ----- 7½
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can you explain that to me?  I dont get the 114 and 7 1/2
 
   (see, i am not a betting man)
 
 what does all that mean? [/QB]
You're a very slight favorite.  You have to bet $114 to win $100.  
 
 IF you take the Yankees, you wager $100 to win $114.
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vansmack

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #85 on: October 16, 2003, 12:51:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 AMERICAN LEAGUE PRO BASEBALL
 10/16/03 (PT) FAVORITE ODDS UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
 5:15 --------------Boston------- 114------- NY  Yankees ----- 7½
 [/b]
can you explain that to me?  I dont get the 114 and 7 1/2
 
   (see, i am not a betting man)
 
 what does all that mean? [/QB]
And 7 1/2 is the over/under on the total runs scored.  If you bet the under, you think that the total runs scored will be 7 or less and if you take the over you think the total runs scored will be 8 or more.
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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #86 on: October 16, 2003, 12:53:00 pm »
thanks.
 
 I'd take the Sox and/or the over, definitely.
 
   :D

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #87 on: October 16, 2003, 01:02:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  and of all the mistakes the Red Sox may or may not make, i think a managerial mistake (replacing Walker with Jackson or soemthing) is one of the last ones possible.
 
   Saving Pedro for Game 5 in Oakland
   Starting Burkett in Game 4 in Oakland
   Pitching Lowe in the 9th in Game 5 in Oakland
   Pinch-Hitting Varitek in Game 4 in Boston (ALCS)
   Saving Pedro until tonight.
   Starting Wakefield in Game 4.
 
   a lot of decisions he made, all (except saving Pedro for tonight) have worked out brilliantly so far.
   I'll trust Little from now on.
 
 my prediction, two words....Gabe Kapler.  just wait.
This is what I love about Sox fans.  I said nothing of a mistake by Little.  I didn't say that bringing in Jackson was the wrong move, you assumed it.  I was just saying what was going to happen without putting blame on any decisions Little makes.  Trust him do you?
 
 I don't like Little.  I've disagreed with many of his decisions in this series, but you're absolutely right about his starting pitching decisions.  But he has time to think about those decisions. You didn't mention any decisions he made in the field, on offense and only one pitiching change.  
 
 It's his decisions when he doesn't have time to think about it that bother me.  He hasn't laid down a bunt yet, but he has hit into 3 strike out double plays!  This is the playoffs and you have to manage differently in the playoffs.  Every run counts and pitching wins, not slugging percentage.
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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #88 on: October 16, 2003, 02:01:00 pm »
well, i just think that a change in the lineup mid-game, causing disaster, would be his fault.  If what you say were to happen, i would be pissed at him.
   We dont ever bunt, ever.  It doesnt help the slugging percentage.  We arent that fast either.
 
    The Boston Red Sox dont play small ball and therefore leave little offensive decisions for Little to make.
 
    The only relief pitcher i have seen blow things, is Kim and perhaps Williamson ALMOST blew it one time. But other than that, a you can call those strike out - throw out things the only bad calls, i believe.  
 
     You dont take a team with the highest slugging percentage in the history of baseball and tell them to bunt!?

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Re: Have you seen this man?
« Reply #89 on: October 16, 2003, 02:29:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  well, i just think that a change in the lineup mid-game, causing disaster, would be his fault.  If what you say were to happen, i would be pissed at him.
   We dont ever bunt, ever.  It doesnt help the slugging percentage.  We arent that fast either.
 
    The Boston Red Sox dont play small ball and therefore leave little offensive decisions for Little to make.
 
    The only relief pitcher i have seen blow things, is Kim and perhaps Williamson ALMOST blew it one time. But other than that, a you can call those strike out - throw out things the only bad calls, i believe.  
 
     You dont take a team with the highest slugging percentage in the history of baseball and tell them to bunt!?
I would make the defensive change if Jackson were the better defender.  That's smart baseball.
 
 If Scioscia didn't ask Glaus, Salmon, Anderson, Spezio and Erstad to bunt, then they're not the World Champions.  Of course, maybe they're not in the record books for having the highest slugging percentage in the history of baseball, but how many Red Sox fans and players would trade that record for a World Series title?
 
 You bunt when the play dictates it.  Small ball is a style of play that does not suit the Sox, but bunting is not always small ball - it's also smart ball.  It doesn't take speed to bunt a runner over - if anything you bunt and run because you don't have speed.  Why does he wait until two strikes for every hit and run?  It's harder to turn a double play 4-6-3 or 5-4-3 than is to catch a slow guy stealing on a hit and run with 2 strikes.  
 
 How about having the second baseman cover second with a left handed batter and a finesse pitcher?  I could smell hit and run from San Francisco yet Walker covers second?  The double play ball goes right through the hole you created on the right side for a left handed batter.  He's done that twice, both times resulting in a rally for the Yankees.
 
 How many times does Matsui have to drop a flare hit before you stop playing the outfield deep against him?  Put them at regular depth - you're gaurding against a double with a guy who's going to get a double anyway.  You have a better shot at getting him going for three than you do going for two anyway.
 
 He's done a hell of a job with the Pen though so you're right on there.  They are finally hitting their groove and now is the right time.
 
 It's the little things (and I mean a little luck too) that are keeping you and the Cubs from winning World Series titles.  The talent is there, niether team just acts like they believe and both are ready to make excuses and put blame elsewhere for everything.  
 
 It's not the Yankees because they're beatable.  That's the same team that the Angels embarrassed last year.  Are Matsui and Contreras making the difference?  No way.  Take chances on the basepaths, not in the field.  Move runners over to get them in with the high slugging percentage, don't wait for two singles to score runs.  And believe you can win right up until the last out because this Yankee bullpen is old and tired.  And get in Roger's head because he beats himself more than any hall of fame pitcher in baseball.  Get him fired up and he will overthrow.      
 
 I just don't think the Sox take this approach (although hearing Grady said to turn the music on in the locker room after game 5 was good to hear).  They don't make me believe that they can win (mostly because of decisions and execution and some attitude).  I hope they do though because I hate the Yankees with every bone in my body.  But only a fool would bet on the Sox as the favorites tonight - it's not a wise bet.
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