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Bill Cosby
« on: May 26, 2004, 10:34:00 am »
Did anybody catch his appearance? Any thoughts?
 
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 Shrill Bill Cosby and the speech that shocked black America
 Ebonics! Weird Names! $500 Shoes!
 by Ta-Nehisi Coates
 May 26 - June 1, 2004
 
 I never got Fat Albert. Dumb Donald wore a lampshade for a hat, Russell dressed like a bag lady, and Bucky appeared to be the victim of a back-alley orthodontist. Bill Cosby's distorted, funny-looking kids couldn't shoot fire from their hands, and they wouldn't know a weather dominator from a flux capacitor. Instead, they were a dumb and dumpy bunch who conquered the travails of life (deodorant? candy overload?) with one simple weapon??Fat Albert's formidable moral center.
 
 I thought about that moral center last week, when Cosby ventured down to Washington and ripped into the have-nots among us. The occasion was the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Ed, and the Coz had been invited to Chocolate City by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, the NAACP proper, and Howard University. The triumvirate had decided to honor Cosby for having "advanced the promise of Brown." Cosby decided to do some advancing of his own.
 
 The comedian launched into a relentless attack on poor and working-class African Americans, criticizing them for everything from what they name their kids to how they speak. "Ladies and gentlemen, the lower-economic people are not holding up their end in this deal," he told the audience, in remarks later quoted by gossip columnists. "These people are not parenting. They are buying things for their kids??$500 sneakers for what?"
 
 And then: "They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't?' 'Where you is?' . . . And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. . . . Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. . . . You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"
 
 Ouch.
 
 Cosby has said his words were taken out of context, which is tough to prove since officials at Howard won't release a video of the event. News organizations around the nation have been asking for a copy.
 
 According to one eyewitness, Coz lampooned blacks for giving their kids weird names like Ali and Shaniqua and finished up by launching a parting barrage at the prisoners rights movement. "These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola," the press reported. "People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, [saying] 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"
 
 Cosby's audience was reportedly shocked by the classist diatribe. They shouldn't have been. Throughout his career, Bill Cosby has been many beautiful things??brilliant humorist, anti-apartheid activist, champion of historically black colleges, to name a few. But over the past couple of decades, he's played one ugly role that his activist friends like to ignore??patron saint of black elitists.
 
 Let's not act like Cosby's points are baseless. Here in New York, black activists rail against the evils of Giulianism, but shrink from confronting crack dealers. That said, Cosby's critique betrays his own narcissism??like the dandies who worship him, he fancies himself an everyman, but he's embarrassed by everymen. He's been a tireless critic of fellow black comedians, many of whom??for better and worse??chose to follow in Richard Pryor's footsteps instead of his. At last year's Emmys, Wanda Sykes asked Cosby what accounted for his success and that of other early black comics. Cosby, clearly annoyed with the demonstrative Sykes, fixed her with an ice-grill and said, "We spoke English."
 
 Broken English is an obsession of Cosby's. In 1997, he wrote a mocking editorial for The Wall Street Journal denouncing the Oakland School Board for teaching Ebonics. "In London, I guess Cockney would be the equivalent of Ebonics," wrote Cosby. "And though they may study Cockney at Oxford as part of literature, I doubt they teach it." The fact was, the Oakland School Board never planned to "teach" Ebonics. They actually planned to teach proper English to young kids using Ebonics. But facts were irrelevant to Cosby because whenever he walked into a cocktail party and a stuffed shirt made a joke about Ebonics, his self-image crumpled from the hit.
 
 In the '80s, Cosby's elitism was relatively benign, a punchline in an Eddie Murphy joke. But amid his most significant and entertaining work, The Cosby Show, there was always a touch of bourgeois fantasy. The marriage of a black doctor and a black lawyer was blatantly calculated to send a message. You could almost see the algebra etched on Heathcliff's forehead (Negroid MD + Negroid JD - Cousin on Smack = Good PR for Jack-and-Jillers).
 
 There were no toilets in the Huxtable home, and the family repped for everything the elite liked to think it was. In reality, that elite enjoyed a frightening proximity to the rest of us. But The Cosby Show, at its root, was fighting racist propaganda with race-conscious propaganda. We'd survived Good Times, so the face-lift Cosby offered was welcome. But it was still Cosby doing the surgery. Which explains why, during the show's heyday, in the midst of Reaganomics, with black-on-black crime surging, with the crack epidemic wreaking havoc, with New York (where the show was based) in racial hysteria, Theo never so much as had his pockets run.
 
 The show's obsession with keeping up appearances was not only a product of its creator, but of its creator's generation. It's no mistake that black America's biggest awards show is the NAACP Image Awards. Ditto for the Coz's recent diatribe. The civil rights crowd has had a rough 30 years as the old tactics of marching and boycotting have come up lame. Its leaders, like Cosby himself, are in winter, and having beaten Bull Connerism, they now stand befuddled and silenced before their greatest new adversary??class.
 
 Race still matters, but largely the problems of black people today are the problems of poor people. In his last days, Martin Luther King turned his attention to class, a focus Cosby's brethren airbrushed away. They could march on Washington every 10 years without having to march on their own drug-riddled corners. They ignore the ghetto or, when emboldened like Cosby, shit on it.
 
 When the Coz came to Constitution Hall last week, he was one up on his audience. He had no solutions, and unlike his audience, he knew it. And so he fell back on what elitists do best??impose condescending lessons on ethics and etiquette. He fell back on Fat Albert, and a world where poverty can be beaten through sheer force of blithe axiom. Morality becomes the answer when you don't have another one. Maybe we are everything the racists say we are??dumb, fat, and cute, in a really ugly and childish sort of way. But if we could just pay attention in school, stop stealing, learn proper English, and correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right. Well, maybe not all right, but at least we wouldn't make Cosby look so bad.

Samantha

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2004, 10:51:00 am »
ha, I like the last line

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2004, 10:56:00 am »
I'm intrigued by this statement:
 "Morality becomes the answer when you don't have another one."

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2004, 10:59:00 am »

Samantha

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2004, 11:04:00 am »
HE needs to learn to talk.  I can't understand him with all the spittle he's stowing away in his floppy mouth

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2004, 11:16:00 am »
It seems to me like what he's saying is reasonable.

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2004, 11:17:00 am »
it's not reasonable in that every race has the same problem, and in the way he's saying it.  like the article said, he has no solution.  he's just throwing insults.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2004, 11:29:00 am »
he's a black man addressing a predominantly black audience, and he did offer solutions, from my perspective, he was giving tough love to his own

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2004, 11:34:00 am »
Does anyone remember the old Bill Cosby show?   The one where he played a high school PE teacher?

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2004, 11:49:00 am »
from todays post - interesting....
 
 Some Blacks Find Nuggets Of Truth in Cosby's Speech
 Others Say D.C. Remarks About Poor Blacks Went Too Far
 By Hamil R. Harris
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Wednesday, May 26, 2004; Page B05
 
 
 It has been a week since Bill Cosby delivered a series of blistering comments about the parenting skills and personal values of low-income blacks, and the phone lines into Joe Madison's morning show on WOL-AM are still jammed.
 
   
 
 Like many of his callers, Madison is conflicted about Cosby's speech at a Constitution Hall gala celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling. He said he thinks Cosby touched on truths about the black community's failure to take responsibility for high school dropout rates, unwed mothers and young men in prison.
 
 And then, he also thought the famed comedian and author went too far.
 
 "Cosby went overboard when he absolved white America and the government of any responsibility for the ills of the poor black community," Madison said. "He made it seem like the problems affecting black people in the community are pathological. You can't paint the poor black community with a broad brush."
 
 Cosby's speech, delivered late on May 17, received scant press attention at first.
 
 "I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit," Cosby said. "Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? . . . In all of this work, we cannot blame white people."
 
 As word of his comments spread, so did the reaction -- on talk radio, in churches and high schools and among law enforcement officials and black leaders.
 
 NAACP Executive Director Kweisi Mfume, who hugged Cosby after his speech, said he agreed with most of what he said.
 
 "The issue of personal responsibility is real," he said. "A lot of people didn't want him to say what he said because it was an open forum. But if the truth be told, he was on target."
 
 Mfume did part company with Cosby when he said that people from "lower socioeconomic" groups have not kept their end of the deal when it came to realizing the promise of Brown.
 
 "It is not just the lower socioeconomic groups, it is the new black millionaires, the new wealthy as well," Mfume said. "We all need to take more responsibility, not just poor people."
 
 Prince George's County State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey (D) said he thought Cosby's comments were "over the top" but with a "kernel of truth in it."
 
 A lot of African Americans, he said, are asking, "What is up with our community right now?"
 
 Particularly troubling is an "opt out" mentality -- students who won't go to school or take advantage of opportunities that past generations fought so hard for.
 
 "There's this sort of subculture battle that needs to take place, and I think that's what Bill Cosby was getting at."
 
 Others assailed Cosby as out of touch with the realities of African American life, especially some of the negative consequences of the Brown decision.
 
 "That decision resulted in total cultural and historical surrender," the Rev. Willie Wilson, pastor of Southeast Washington's Union Temple Baptist Church, said as he finished a meeting yesterday with clergy and city officials on a plan to curb youth violence.
 
 "We gave up many of the things that kept us together as a people. We walked away from our own hospitals, we walked away from our own banks, we walked away from thousands of businesses because embedded in our minds was that all that was black was inherently inferior."
 
 Younger blacks also have issues with Cosby, who derided "people with their hats on backwards, pants down around the crack."
 
 Ciara Banks, 16, a junior at Ballou Senior High School in Southeast Washington, said she conforms to some of that description but still maintains a 3.25 grade point average while playing basketball, softball and track.
 
 "You can't always judge someone because of how they dress," Banks said. "I wear my hat backwards but I maintain my grade point average all year."
 
 Cosby said in an interview after his speech that he was motivated to say something after listening to D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who called for better parenting. Ramsey, who attended a community vigil Monday night for the 12-year-old girl who was wounded by a stray bullet while sitting on her front porch in the Petworth neighborhood of Northwest Washington, said yesterday that he had no qualms about the debate he has ignited.
 
 "People yell about us enforcing the curfew, but the real issue is, why don't you know where your child is," Ramsey said. "You can't rid all of the social ills with parenting. Government services have to be coordinated with families who are in need."
 
 Ramsey said that he applauded the effort to provide more jobs to youths this summer but that some teenagers need more than a paycheck. "Unfortunately, some are almost unemployable because they don't have interpersonal and social skills to interact with others," he said.
 
 Ramsey did point to one recent bright spot: a graduation exercise he attended for 14 youths who had been arrested for stealing cars. He said that 11 of the 14 youth offenders completed the program and that their lives have totally changed because they learned about taking responsibility for their actions.
 
 "I was so happy," he said. "This was a small victory that shows that it is not too late for someone to turn their life around."

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Re: Bill Cosby
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2004, 02:47:00 pm »
Remember what he said to Wanda Sykes at the Emmy's when she asked him in her 'stereotypical finger-snapping, ghetto-girl glory how he managed to get where he did:'
 
  ??I spoke English?
 
 She took grave offense to that.  I thought he nailed it.  They were offering him a lifetime acheviement award, and he took the opportunity to let her know just how he did it.  
 
 And as far as understanding him when he speaks, he's also 66 years old.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2004, 03:06:00 pm »
I'm not sure how him being 66 affects how we would understand him when he speaks?
 
 
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Remember what he said to Wanda Sykes at the Emmy's when she asked him in her 'stereotypical finger-snapping, ghetto-girl glory how he managed to get where he did:'
 
  ??I spoke English?
 
 She took grave offense to that.  I thought he nailed it.  They were offering him a lifetime acheviement award, and he took the opportunity to let her know just how he did it.  
 
 And as far as understanding him when he speaks, he's also 66 years old.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2004, 04:03:00 pm »
I actually understood him fine on that Post clip...

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2004, 04:11:00 pm »
Didn't Fresh Prince get in deep shit with the black community when he mentioned something about speaking English, and stop making up names for bad grammar and slang, like ebonics?
 
 I'm sure he did.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2004, 05:00:00 pm »
Well I wouldn't say deep shit, but he was criticized.  He was also criticized (somehow!) for not using curse words in his rap tracks.  The rap community felt as though he was being elitist by stating to a reporter that he still manages to sell lots of albums without having to put Parental Advisory warnings!  His reasoning: his grandmother asked him not to use bad words.  
 
 As far as his age, I don't have sound at this computer today, but the way Samantha described it, it sounded as if he was getting slower and garbled in his speech as most older folks do (not because he was using words that were too big for our home schooled hero).  I've seen a couple interviews with him recently and I can tell he's getting a bit older.  That's all I was saying.
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