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Ikarus

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all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« on: May 27, 2004, 03:24:00 am »
sorry y'all.  it just happens.
 
 especially when you don't speak out against media consolidation aka, clear channel, microsoft, riaa, disney, sony, mpaa, et al.
 
 not that it affects you or anything.  its just that ALL of these entities give money to the republican AND democratic campaign coffers in hopes of picking the winning horse.
 
   wanna guess who has more pull - -  your vote or their money??
 
 maybe nader don't look so bad after all.

sonickteam2

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2004, 11:46:00 am »
disgusting.  I heard Clear Channel is going to buy the patent for soundwaves next and you cant talk or hum or make any vibrations that may make noise, without paying them.

distance

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2004, 04:56:00 pm »
who needs clear channel for live shows?

sonickteam2

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2004, 05:07:00 pm »
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  who needs clear channel for live shows?
yeah, screw them anyway.  I mean, as of yet. None of the "disclive" type companies have done much. I mean, Pixies and Billy Idol i both have, but nothing else.
   
   perhaps Clear Channel will make it more widespread at shows. It would be nice to see more than just your mega band do this at shows.

sonickteam2

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2004, 05:08:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Ikarus:
  sorry y'all.  it just happens.
 
 especially when you don't speak out against media consolidation aka, clear channel, microsoft, riaa, disney, sony, mpaa, et al.
 
i download music. i would say that was speaking out against media consolidation  ;)

distance

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 05:34:00 pm »
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Originally posted by distance:
  who needs clear channel for live shows?
yeah, screw them anyway.  I mean, as of yet. None of the "disclive" type companies have done much. I mean, Pixies and Billy Idol i both have, but nothing else.
   
   perhaps Clear Channel will make it more widespread at shows. It would be nice to see more than just your mega band do this at shows. [/b]
i'd much rather see the arists doing it themselves than whoring themselves out to a company like clearchannel who inflate the prices.
 pearl jam has the right idea.  the stuff comes out, maybe not instantly, but you can get it.  and it's at a reasonable price.  not to mention i'd wager that a much larger percentage of what you spend goes to the band.

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 05:41:00 pm »
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  i'd much rather see the arists doing it themselves than whoring themselves out to a company like clearchannel who inflate the prices.
 pearl jam has the right idea.  the stuff comes out, maybe not instantly, but you can get it.  and it's at a reasonable price.  not to mention i'd wager that a much larger percentage of what you spend goes to the band.
Can you convince the average fan of this though?  
 
 As you're leaving the show "Get you copy of tonights show right here, right now - $10!!!  Listen to it on the drive home!" as opposed to - "Visit our web site when you get home and order tonights show.  We'll send it out in 3 days for $10 plus shipping and handling, you should have it by the beginning of next week."
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distance

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 06:07:00 pm »
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  Can you convince the average fan of this though?  
 
 As you're leaving the show "Get you copy of tonights show right here, right now - $10!!!  Listen to it on the drive home!" as opposed to - "Visit our web site when you get home and order tonights show.  We'll send it out in 3 days for $10 plus shipping and handling, you should have it by the beginning of next week."
no, i can't convince them of this.  people think that something quick is good and people overall seem to just want instant gratification. it by no means that instant is better.
 
 in 2000, einsturzende neubauten recorded a show and a while later released it as a 2cd live album (09-15-00 in brussels).  the quality was VERY good (and i've heard a lot of live stuff).  this tour, they were doing their own instant live type of thing recording the shows and selling them immediately afterwards and they were nowhere near the quality.  these discs were like $25 and i bought a new copy of 09/15/00 for like $21.  the cds were having skipping problems or parts missing from the show (human error), but the biggest thing was that they were autotracked.. i hear that some other groups that offer shows 'instantly' also let the machines do the autotracking, which i think is quite annoying.
 
 i really don't think that it's possible to get the same quality if you're doing the work during the show that you would get if people spent time working on the shows later to ensure the quality.
 
 i refuse to buy a piece of crap product, which is why i'd never pay for mp3s online via a legit music site.  i don't download mp3s for free, so why the hell would i pay for them?  if i want something, i want something in the highest quality possible.

sonickteam2

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 07:45:00 pm »
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   if i want something, i want something in the highest quality possible.
thats why you're on this board, isnt it?  :)

flawd101

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2004, 08:59:00 pm »
i would love to be able to get live albums after a show.  most i my bands probably would never do it on their own.  but i wouldnt matter waiting for better quality because then you actually get something good in the mail...you no you love getting a package, if they are nice maybe they will include a sticker r whatever to make you feel "thats cool,"

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Re: all your live cds are belong to clear channel
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 11:10:00 am »
can't find the orginial thread but yeah for the "little" guy...
 
 
 Clear Channel Rivals Cry Foul Over Live Concert CDs
 
 Tue Jun 1, 1:35 AM ET
 
 
 By Sue Zeidler
 
 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Clear Channel Communications Inc. is under fire from smaller rivals worried that it will shut them out of the quickly growing business of offering live-concert CDs immediately after shows.
 
    
 
 San Antonio, Texas-based Clear Channel claims a key patent for the technology to offer such recordings, but competitors challenge whether that gives the company exclusive rights to create and sell instant recordings of live performances.
 
 The competing claims comes as Clear Channel, which is the No. 1 U.S. radio station owner, faces a trial in August over allegations that it abused its radio market clout to benefit its concert business.
 
 The most recent friction began in April when Clear Channel announced that it had bought a key patent for producing live CD recordings within 5 minutes after concerts.
 
 But smaller companies, like Santa Monica, California-based Kufala Recordings, which also records live concerts, claim the patent is a veiled effort to muscle them out of a previously negotiable market.
 
 "If you try to provide similar services ... they're going to sue you for patent infringement or to license their patent," said Kufala president Brady Lahr. "Clear Channel is really using their monopoly in the market to powerfully restrain trade above and beyond the patent issue."
 
 Brian Becker, chief executive of Clear Channel's live entertainment unit, responded Friday by saying the company had invested substantial resources over the past two years in its Instant Live recording service.
 
 "We want this service to be in widespread use and welcome all legitimate and serious conversations with those interested in licensing our patent. We will not, however, conduct
 
 licensing conversations in public or via the media," he said.
 
 Instant Live has already recorded concerts by the Allman Brothers, and Clear Channel expects to enter into deals with more than 40 acts to produce live recordings this season.
 
 But Richardson, Texas-based Immediatek Inc., the parent of DiscLive Inc, which also records live concert CDs, said Clear Channel's patent did not give it exclusive rights to the business of creating recordings of live performances.
 
 "Our attorneys have provided Clear Channel's attorneys with this information and more to detail why their patent is not relevant to the DiscLive system and requested that they provide us with specific details if they disagree," said Zach Bair, chief executive of Immediatek in a statement this week.
 
 Immediatek said it plans to continue rolling out its DiscLive product shortly after live shows.
 
 Music attorneys said approval is always required by multiple parties, including the artist, record label, music publisher, and venue owner before a live concert CD can be recorded.
 
 But Lahr said Clear Channel's market concentration was changing the playing field. "From our past experiences, every venue has been open and willing to negotiate their venue fees except for Clear Channel," said Lahr.
 
 "Now virtually all performing artists like the Pixies, Billy Idol (news), and even Bruce Springsteen (news) run the risk that if they record their own shows at any venue in the country, then sell the CDs that same night, Clear Channel can and will go after the artists and make them pay," said Lahr.
 
 Clear Channel Entertainment currently owns, operates or exclusively books about 130 concert venues, including nearly 100 in North America.
 
    
 
 Last month, a federal judge in Denver ruled there was evidence Clear Channel had abused its clout by threatening to keep artists off the air unless they performed at its shows and ordered Clear Channel to stand trial in August.
 
 The ruling came in a lawsuit filed in August 2001 by small Denver concert promoter Nobody in Particular Presents. The lawsuit accuses Clear Channel of violating antitrust laws.
 
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