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The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« on: June 24, 2005, 01:22:00 pm »
REBEL WITH A 401(K)
 
 By MAUREEN CALLAHAN
 
 May 19, 2005 -- MEET the new yuppie: the urban striver who listens to "O.C."-approved indie rock, checks the right blogs to find out about "secret" rock shows, considers white iPod earbuds the ultimate fashion accessory - and is a lawyer with a mortgage and a baby on the way.
 
 Whereas once a yuppie was defined as being part of the establishment - think the '80s corporate drone who wore power suits, watched "thirtysomething" and loved the soundtrack to "The Big Chill" - today's yuppie strenuously identifies with all things counterculture.
 
 The strain was first identified a few weeks ago by Vice Records label manager Adam Shore, who derided what he called the newly created "indie-yuppie establishment" in an interview with the Columbia Spectator.
 
 He tagged offenders as anyone who identifies themselves through their love of what he considers the ultimate in polite, passive alternative rock: bands like the Shins, the Arcade Fire and the Postal Service that he derides as "comfy music."
 
 Shore's original comments were picked up by Scott Lapatine, who runs the heavily trafficked music blog stereogum.com.
 
 Stereogum's subsequent contest 'You Might Be an Indie-Yuppie If You ..." received the most responses Lapatine has ever gotten to a single post.
 
 "If you can afford New York City rents and can go to these rock shows, you are definitely an indie-yuppie," says Lapatine, who fully admits to being one himself.
 
 "I just bought a ticket for the Death Cab for Cutie show at Central Park, and it cost $35 - at what point is that indie?"
 
 In other words, you must be an active, contributing member of society who considers your iTunes library an extension of yourself and who turns up for work at 10 a.m. - though you may be hung over from last night's secret Gang of Four show at the Tribeca Grand Hotel.
 
 "I was like, 'Oh, my God! That's me!'" says entrant Tanya Manchini, a 31-year-old editor from Hoboken (who admits she was relieved the Nine Inch Nails show she saw on Monday night ended early).
 
 "I crossed the line when I stopped dressing in thrift store clothing and started appreciating shoes by Michael Kors," she adds.
 
 Still, she says, "it's hard to reconcile yourself to it when you came up through the college radio punk scene, and then you grow up to become a person with disposable income. It really hit home."
 
 Manchini says that the indie-yuppie has replaced the conventional idea of yuppiedom - as does fellow entrant Georgiana Cohen, a 25-year-old
 Web content producer.
 
 "I'm marginally guilty," admits Cohen, who points to her CD collection ("I've got a few Bright Eyes CDs from 2000, before he was everyone's Jesus Christ") and her love of the movie "Garden State" as proof.
 
 "That movie is like the 'Citizen Kane' of indie culture," she says. "You have Natalie Portman's character saying that the Shins will change your life. And it dealt with that kind of ennui - [like] that Gen X malaise ten years ago. It's a badge thing - to say you saw 'Garden State' three times! In a theater!"
 
 Many newly minted indie-yuppies say the statement they most related to was "You might be an indie-yuppie if you put on a CD and secretly pray that you'll like it."
 
 It's a comment speaks to the effort involved in being an indie-yuppie, and the deluded self-esteem that can only come from knowing that you should like the Arcade Fire, or that Bright Eyes backlash is setting in.
 
 Self-described indie-yuppie Ben Garvey, 26 ("I have a mortgage and just went to see Built to Spill"), blames the Internet.
 
 "Any dork can sit at home and find out about new bands - it's just easier to stay on top of things," he says. "There would definitely be fewer indie-yuppies if not for the Web."
 
 But Vice's Shore says that he thinks the phenomenon goes beyond the conspicuous consumption of the right CD while wearing $200 jeans and sipping an iced chai latte.
 
 He's disturbed, he says, by the sheer level of politeness and sensitivity that has overtaken indie rock - which, in the '80s and '90s, was defined by coarse, reactionary bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden and even Pavement.
 
 "Why is it that when we're at war, and we have an administration that's so against youth, that music isn't harder and more abrasive?" Shore asks. "Now everyone wants to be the Shins. I just don't get it."
 
 The 33-year-old label exec - who, for the record, says he's not an indie-yuppie ("I don't require that kind of comfort in my music") -
 says he was surprised by the reaction he elicited on Stereogum.
 
 "I obviously touched a nerve," he says, adding that he never meant to spark hipster-on-hipster Web violence. "I was just trying to say that indie music has gone soft - I mean, it can't get any softer."
 
 But it may be too late: many indie-yuppies are now re-examining just what their CD collections, viewing habits and fashion choices say about them.
 
 "If you wear Shins pins on your messenger bag or your lapels, it's like saying, 'Look who I like! Here are my loyalties!'" says entrant Cohen, who cops to such accessories.
 
 But, she says, she draws the line at owning an iPod.
 
 "I have a different brand of MP3 player, because white earbuds are a theft target - but also because I don't want to be 'that person,'" she says. "I don't want anyone to think I'm some kind of hipster elitist."
 
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 The Indie-yuppie uniform: $28 "vintage" Stones shirt from Urban Outfitters, messenger bag, Paste magazine and the all important IPod.

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2005, 01:37:00 pm »
I just hired a private investigator to find out who has been following me around the past year and a half.
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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2005, 01:38:00 pm »
if you've ever read an article on the net or in a magazine that so closely resembles one you have thought of writing yourself, you know how i feel right now! its almost wierd. I was just adding theShins, Ipods and Lattes together on someone the other day.

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2005, 03:15:00 pm »
Um yeah.  Not a lawyer, but I have a house and a baby due in september.
 
 How weird.
 
 Perhaps not the entire package, but nobody ever is.  
 
 Yay.  Another label to try and pin me too.... another label to rebel against.

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 03:39:00 pm »
I like indie music, shop at Whole Foods and the local farmers' market and have an ING Direct account. But can only afford to visit NYC for a weekend, not live there.
 
 I remember Maureen Callahan...she used to write for Sassy magazine.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2005, 03:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
  I like indie music, shop at Whole Foods and the local farmers' market and have an ING Direct account. But can only afford to visit NYC for a weekend, not live there.
 
 I remember Maureen Callahan...she used to write for Sassy magazine.
M-M-M-M-Maureen, Maureen, Maureen!!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2005, 04:39:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
 
 I remember Maureen Callahan...she used to write for Sassy magazine.
<img src="http://www.adequatulence.com/hartman/hartman.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 "I just stepped in a big pile of SASSY!"
 ~ Russell Clark, senior editor of Sassy Magazine, host of Sassy's Sassiest Boys
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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2005, 05:15:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
  I like indie music, shop at Whole Foods and the local farmers' market and have an ING Direct account. But can only afford to visit NYC for a weekend, not live there.
 
 I remember Maureen Callahan...she used to write for Sassy magazine.
Damnit. That's scary. I can say the exact same thing.
 
 Maybe there's no choice but to be indie-yuppie once you get to be a certain age. I mean, if you're still living it hard on the streets and shopping at thrift stores at the age of 40...well, maybe there's another label that could be used for you. "Loser" might be a bit harsh....but then again maybe it isn't.

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 12:53:00 am »
I'm going to get lambasted for this...
 
 But just think about this.  When on these boards, if someone doesn't listen to the Shins, or Bright Eyes, or something of that Indie nature, everybody's on your ass.  Just like years ago with the yuppies or dinks, if you weren't like them, they verbally smashed you too.
 
 I tend to agree with this article.  And I think this board is a perfect example.

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 12:59:00 am »
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  I mean, if you're still living it hard on the streets and shopping at thrift stores at the age of 40...well, maybe there's another label that could be used for you. "Loser" might be a bit harsh....but then again maybe it isn't.
perfectly said!  Although I would modify "40" to "30."
 
 people who write, or agree with, articles like that are clearly in it for something other than love of the music.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2005, 01:18:00 am »
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
  I mean, if you're still living it hard on the streets and shopping at thrift stores at the age of 40...well, maybe there's another label that could be used for you. "Loser" might be a bit harsh....but then again maybe it isn't.
perfectly said!  Although I would modify "40" to "30."
 
 people who write, or agree with, articles like that are clearly in it for something other than love of the music. [/b]
in what? i agree with it, what are you saying about me?  i am certainly no yuppie, but i wouldnt say i was "into it" either!  :)  i am usually out of it actually, and i dont shop at thrift marts, unless Ross counts  :)

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Re: The "Indie Yuppie Establishment"
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2005, 02:34:00 pm »
is this me? yes, but i don't think it should be a badge of dishonor to have professional aspirations while appreciating art and culture. my career won't be a chain smoking indie coffee house barista/ pseudo-poet. it makes sense to me that intelligent people who choose a higher level career path would desire intelligently crafted music.