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[sonickteam2]

not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right?  and when they go to public schools its free?
 
 souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
 
 and besides, churhes and shit always have loads of cash, right?

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  this just in:  GGW knows everything!  and makes more money than all of us too.  we should be lucky to have him along!

About time I started getting the respect I deserve around here.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Yes, but you're at work playing on the computer and watching satellite tv. How many of those 55 hours a week are actually spent doing WORK? You don't see any teachers posting on the 9:30 chatboard during their workday, do you?
 
    And selling luxary cars to wealthy folk strikes me as a hell of an easier sell than convincing a middle schooler whose parents either dropped out of school or didn't attend college (as was the case in the rural school district I taught in, and no doubt the inner city school that Jag taught in) that he needs to learn pre-algebra.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
 [QB] True, but they put in 60 hours a week during those nine months.
 

 60 hours a week isn't too off the norm in the private sector. I know GS'ers do about 37.5 hours a week so you have no clue of the real world.
 
 For example, my average week is 55 hours. Mutliply that by 52 weeks and you get 2,860 hours a year.
 
 A teachers average week is 60 (so you say) multiply that by 9 months and you get 2,322 hours a year. Not to mentiobn all the little bullshit days off, "Professional Day" for example, whatever the hell that crap is,  and every friggin holiday that has been invented.
 
 Still cry that Potomac my friend...no sympathy for teachers from me. (Sorry Jag) I think they're a bunch of spoiled, leftist, bone-idle union brats who think the kids are in school for the benefit of them, and not the other way round which is reality. [/b]

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right?  and when they go to public schools its free?
 
 souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
 

Not always.  Some are free, some are subsidized by private groups, some are subsidized by public groups.  Also, instead of "funding" let's say "per-student spending" which includes tuition (if any), private donations, etc...  Catholic schools still spend much less than public schools.

[markie]

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
     And selling luxary cars to wealthy folk strikes me as a hell of an easier sell than convincing a middle schooler ..........  

  [/b]

[/QB]

But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways, imparting your knowledge and wisdom on the young and impressionable? It is a bit more of a vocation than selling cars, isn't it? Why did you pick that profession in the first place?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
 
 What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
 
 Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
 
 Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
 
 Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
 
 

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right?  and when they go to public schools its free?
 
 souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
 

Not always.  Some are free, some are subsidized by private groups, some are subsidized by public groups.  Also, instead of "funding" let's say "per-student spending" which includes tuition (if any), private donations, etc...  Catholic schools still spend much less than public schools. [/b]

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Your attitude toward teachers isn't atypical.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
 [QB] True, but they put in 60 hours a week during those nine months.
 

 
 Still cry that Potomac my friend...no sympathy for teachers from me. (Sorry Jag) I think they're a bunch of spoiled, leftist, bone-idle union brats who think the kids are in school for the benefit of them, and not the other way round which is reality. [/b]

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right?  and when they go to public schools its free?
 
 souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
 
 and besides, churhes and shit always have loads of cash, right?

i went to catholic high school, and it was pretty cheap. our text books were from the 60's (during the early 90's), and it was run by nuns. the ones that still wear the habits. catholic schools didn't get any funding back then, and i am pretty sure they don't now. also, the kids in the public school i would have attended went to much better colleges than the catholic school kids i graduated with.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Good point. I went into teaching for basically the same ideology you cite.
 
    However, there is a world of difference in terms of desire to learn between the advanced level classes that I was part of as a student and the desire of non-advanced level students.
 
   
 
 

Originally posted by mark e smith:
   

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
     And selling luxary cars to wealthy folk strikes me as a hell of an easier sell than convincing a middle schooler ..........  

  [/b]

[/b]

But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways, imparting your knowledge and wisdom on the young and impressionable? It is a bit more of a vocation than selling cars, isn't it? Why did you pick that profession in the first place? [/QB]

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
  So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
 
 What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
 
 Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
 
 Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
 
 Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
 

Too many problems to solve here. Most of it has to do with parents abdicating their responsibilities than with schools not doing enough.  Which is why throwing more money at the problem won't work.
 
 The simple reason that Catholic school kids do better is that they are the children of parents who care enough about their kids to put education as the main priority.

[godsshoeshine]

also catholic schools can kick out kids for less of a reason, kids that don't care or don't like 10000 rules leave and go to public schools.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I agree with your points here.
 
 I only wish that the public school I taught in had had enough money to pay for classroom materials.
 
 But having the proper materials would have only been a start. Without parental and adminstrator support, they wouldn't have been enough.
 
 North Carolina was a nightmare. Pretty much all of the rental housing in the county I worked in was apartment complexes, which had minimum salary requirements, which of course my teacher salary didn't make. Finally, I found one that I barely qualified for. I almost wasn't able to get housing in the very county i taught in because they paid their teachers so poorly.
 
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
  So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
 
 What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
 
 Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
 
 Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
 
 Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
 

Too many problems to solve here. Most of it has to do with parents abdicating their responsibilities than with schools not doing enough.  Which is why throwing more money at the problem won't work.
 
 The simple reason that Catholic school kids do better is that they are the children of parents who care enough about their kids to put education as the main priority. [/b]

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
 [QB] Yes, but you're at work playing on the computer and watching satellite tv. How many of those 55 hours a week are actually spent doing WORK? You don't see any teachers posting on the 9:30 chatboard during their workday, do you?
 
    And selling luxary cars to wealthy folk strikes me as a hell of an easier sell than convincing a middle schooler whose parents either dropped out of school or didn't attend college (as was the case in the rural school district I taught in, and no doubt the inner city school that Jag taught in) that he needs to learn pre-algebra.
 
 

 I don't see our point...but we aren't told what we have to do for a living but these teachers do nothing but bitch about it all the time so why don't they do what you and Jag did and get out. That's why I have zilch-zippo-nada sympathy for them.
 
 And you're on message board all day and I'm paying your wages..GET BACK TO WORK!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I am working, damnit. I just made a big discovery that is going to make a certain program office very happy. There is not a problem where it appeared there was one. Of course, that's not going to be helpful to me in writing my conference paper...essentially now I have no problems to write about.

[brennser]

But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways  

yeah baby!