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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2004, 08:03:00 pm »
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 Think I'll stick to the Drive By Truckers, BR549, and the Old 97's when I want a good show.
i've seen all three of these bands this year, and while all three have been very good, wilco last night absolutely blew any of those shows away. for me, it's not even close, but what do i know? i actually like bands that take chances and don't feel the need to pander to their audience.
 
 i love all of wilco's earlier records, and i think the recent material (YHF and AGIB) is just as phenomenal, though certainly not as immediate or catchy. the melodies reveal themselves more clearly with each listen, and wilco's one of the few bands that can incorporate noisy, discordant parts into a somber pop song well. nels cline is an amazing guitarist (who did NOT ruin the geraldine fibbers) who knew when to lay back and play the part and only ripped when the time was right. tweedy sounded great. wilco did not disappoint me in the least, and were as good as any other time i'd seen them.
 
 "via chicago" really made my night, but that whole encore was truly incredible. i thought they pulled off the pseudo-krautrock epic well, and closing with "the lonely 1", and then "passenger side" in the final encore, was just perfect.
 
 it's too bad those of you stuck in 1999 can't take a time machine back to the  summerteeth  tour. me, i'll take 2004 wilco.

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2004, 09:05:00 pm »
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Originally posted by joz:
  ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?
Okay, I haven't read on through this thread, but come on -- about 60% of bands in the indie/rock/power pop genre all have roots back to these two bands.  Throw in a little Stones, you got 80%.  Be real.
 
 Because *you* think that the bands Wilco is aping are more important, that's supposed to make a difference?
 
   
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and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
That certainly puts you in the minority, my friend.  That album remains among the top of the 90s across various venues (critic's lists, magazine lists, folks who love music just plain talking....).  But you obviously are not the audience for that album as you don't even get that the title is all about the structure of the album.  
 
 Joz, you seem to be one of those "I know more than you, my taste is better so I'm right and you're wrong" folks.  Sure, we can debate the durability of various albums, etc., but you dismiss out of hand perspectives that aren't yours.  That's not a fun or interesting discussion, in my opinion.

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2004, 09:10:00 pm »
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Originally posted by snailhook:
 
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it's too bad those of you stuck in 1999 can't take a time machine back to the  summerteeth  tour. me, i'll take 2004 wilco. [/b]
why can't you accept that I prefer the old shows, it doesn't mean that they suck now, it means when I was in attendance at the old shows, I enjoyed myself more, it doesn't mean I don't get it now, it doesn't lessen your experience, it is my experience, now why don't you and joz get out of your own assholes, and realize you are telling us we are wrong about something subjective, if everyone had to accept some things are good and others are bad, half of your favorite bands probably would not exist

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2004, 09:13:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I could be in any venue in the world and still think Sonic Youth was boring. Whereas if I like a band, I'm going to like them in just about any venue. Doesn't make that much difference to me, if the band is really good.
I agree -- I'd be bored by SY in any venue.  But I will say, Sleater-Kinney, one of my faves and I think a great, energetic live act, was just drowned out and awful at DAR.  Bad venue made for bad show.

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« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2004, 02:56:00 am »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I also thought last night was the shortest crowd I've ever seen.  Honestly, the median height for males at the show couldn't have been much over 5' 6"
Iota must have been empty then. Previously, I've noticed that Iota is full of very short men and Rhett clones. There's even an older version of Celeste there. No wonder Mr. and Mrs. Miller like that place so much. They feel right at home and
 Rhett almost towers above the crowd.  :p

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2004, 03:01:00 am »
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why can't you accept that I prefer the old shows, it doesn't mean that they suck now, it means when I was in attendance at the old shows, I enjoyed myself more, it doesn't mean I don't get it now, it doesn't lessen your experience, it is my experience, now why don't you and joz get out of your own assholes, and realize you are telling us we are wrong about something subjective, if everyone had to accept some things are good and others are bad, half of your favorite bands probably would not exist  
pollard, man, chill out. i wasn't directing any vitriol towards you...i reserve that more for people like rhett who condescendingly sneer at some bands without obviously even trying to understand what they're aiming for. i don't get that from you, so don't be so defensive. although, it's hard not to be around here sometimes. i love music and am pretty opinionated about it, as i would hope people on a music board would be.
 
 anyway, i understand what you mean. take pavement. i love everything up to and including  wowwe zowee, but  brighten the corners and  terror twilight bore the piss out of me. i love all GBV up to  mag earwhig  but i think their records since then have been weak and second-rate. i still like tortoise but i doubt they'll ever come close to their first two albums. on the other hand, i still think that wilco, sonic youth, yo la tengo, nick cave, and blonde redhead (for a few examples) are constantly progressing and evolving. some people would argue with each and every one of those examples.
 
 would it make you feel better if i said i wish i could take a time machine back to 1994 after  crooked rain came out?

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« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2004, 08:28:00 am »
After reading three pages of this thread, I don't think anyone around here has the right to make fun of Mankie or myself for still liking 80's music.   :D

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2004, 09:11:00 am »
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
 ...very short men and Rhett clones...
There's a difference?

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2004, 09:30:00 am »
While it may not be universally true, I'm betting that most of the 'true fans' - that are totally happy only hearing the 2 latest records - discovered Wilco relatively late. Probably even went back and bought some Uncle Tupelo as historical research.
 
 Otherwise, I can't comprehend how you could not want to hear some of the songs that made you love this band/artist in the 1st place.
 
 [Assuming that you've actually moved out of Mom & Dad's house], I pity the parents of those exclaiming "Wilco is NOW! 2004 YEAH! Onward & Upward".   I guess you don't often take the 'time machine' back for visit.
 
 ...prepping for the 'when I was your age' responses...
 
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 I just noticed this evidence to support my theorem:
 
 "it's too bad those of you stuck in 1999 can't take a time machine back to the summerteeth tour."
 
 ALL THE WAY BACK to Summerteeth.    :roll:   Which is incidentally about 3/4's of the way through Tweedy's creative output.

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #114 on: June 11, 2004, 10:04:00 am »
From the latest issue of Esquire:
 
 (Yes I'm stirring the pot and The Young Heart Attack Record sounds like it RAWKS!!!!!)
 
 Five Records to Buy Instead of Wilco's
 
 While others debate the brilliance of Americana's it band, spend your timeâ??and moneyâ??more wisely on one of these five CDs
 
 by Andy Langer | Jul 01 '04
 
 You're going to be hearing a lot about Wilco this month, what with all the critical hullabaloo surrounding its much-anticipated new album, A Ghost Is Born. But you won't find much fawning here. Maybe it's just that I prefer the days when Huey Lewis & the News was America's whitest band, but I'm completely indifferent to the Wilco phenomenon. It's not that the band is bad, it's just boring. And while I'd like to tell you about the three months of dust collecting on my advance copy of A Ghost Is Born , I'm afraid that Wilco's fresh-out-of-rehab lead singer, Jeff Tweedy, might come over and snort it.
 
 The good news is that the stack of CDs in my listening pile next to Wilco has turned out to be a gold mine of extraordinary records. Although they cross genres and continents, the following five records are united by the fact that they don't just sound important, they also feel it.
 
 
 Young Heart Attack, Mouthful of Love (XL Recordings/Beggar's Group): Enough with the Darkness already. It deserves props for anticipating our longing for a new Freddie Mercury, and, yes, it believes in a thing called love, but it'd be nice if the band believed in a thing called songwriting, too. Fortunately, Young Heart Attack doesâ??offering cock-rock, full-monty attitude and impossible-to-deny riffage. And while the Darkness's Justin Hawkins sounds as if he's sucking helium balloons, Young Heart Attack has a singer filled with estrogen; its X-factor is Jennifer Stephens, a second vocalist who breaks up the boy's club with slinky splashes of Motown sass. The result will have you throwing up devil signs at passing cars. As luck would have it, one of the first great rock albums of 2004 may also be the last great album of 1979.
 
 
 The Streets, A Grand Don't Come for Free (Vice/ Atlantic): Before we groan at the idea of white British rappers making concept records, it's important to note that Mike Skinner (aka the Streets) is pop music's rarest commodity: a singular talent. Implausibly imaginative, Skinner comes to the table with Jonathan Safran Foer's flair for language and Seinfeld's knack for making the mundane fascinating. And so it's little surprise A Grand Don't Come for Free 's glory lies in the minutiae. Across 11 intricately linked songs, Skinner lays out the story of a missing 1,000 pounds, a tale flush with broken televisions, cheap pints, and shitty cell-phone reception. Behind his odd syllable splits and trippy dance beats is good old-fashioned yarn spinning; his gorgeous "Dry Your Eyes" chronicles a lover's rejection with more details than an episode of MTV's Pimp My Ride . Most impressive is how well A Grand Don't Come for Free holds up to repeat listens. Whereas other concept records tend to get old quick, here new plot points reveal themselves with every spin.
 
 
 Burning Brides , Leave No Ashes (V2): Two years ago, this Philadelphia-based trio's no-budget, homespun debut earned its fair share of comparisons to Nirvana's Bleach . And while news that the Brides would be shaking their moneymakers with high-priced Black Crowes producer George Drakoulis reeked of a sellout, Leave No Ashes has wound up smelling more like a big step up. By matching sonic hugeness with superbly crafted songs, this moody masterpiece confirms the Foo Fighter principle: Bombast and taste aren't mutually exclusive. Better still, the blaze and bluster of tunes like "Heart Full of Black" and the title track authenticate another important point: Shouting at the devil over loud guitars never gets old.
 
 
 Patty Griffin, Impossible Dream (ATO): The American Idol finale I'd like to have seen would have pitted Emmylou Harris against Patty Griffin. And I'd have put five bucks on Simon Cowell doing the crying. At 40, Griffin has a voice that carries compassion, strength, and struggle. And her songwriting is brilliant on Impossible Dream . From the southern-Gothic blues of "Love Throw a Line" to her snappy repossession of "Top of the World" (a tune Griffin wrote but the Dixie Chicks popularized), there are more than enough vital melodies and vivid details here to hold your attention. If for no other reason, buy it because her "Cold as It Gets" will sound great on your next post-breakup compilation. Any song that ends with "I live only to see you live to regret everything that you've done" is all right by me.
 
 
 The Cardigans, Long Gone Before Daylight (Koch): On their first collection in six years, these icy Swedes prove their legacy might just amount to more than an early secretary-pop hit (1997's "Lovefool") and a history of kitschy Black Sabbath covers. It's a comeback that rests squarely on leader Nina Persson's golden throat and dark diary; rarely do you hear a voice this exquisite wrapped around love songs so twisted. Sure, there's an almost too cheery slice of domestic violence ("And Then You Kissed Me"), but for my money, that the Cardigans have delivered a comeback this edgy is really sucker punch enough.
T.Rex

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« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2004, 10:20:00 am »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  From the latest issue of Esquire:
 
 ...and The Young Heart Attack Record sounds like it RAWKS!!!!!
 
 
Good stuff Kosmo. You've got me interested in this one. Sounds like a nice summer addition.
 
 More good pub from AMG:
 
 It's appropriate that Young Heart Attack hail from Austin, as their XL debut feels like a love letter to the kids in Dazed and Confused, Richard Linklater's meditation on teenage kicks in 1970s Texas. Mouthful of Love is a mulletheaded rush of the Who, Led Zeppelin, and the Sweet's "Fox on the Run" â?? it's nappy, not slow, and likely narcotics-fueled. Daltrey-do'd vocalist/guitarist Chris Hodge shares the mike with slender Jennifer Stephens. It's a weird mix, because Hodge is one of those guys who doesn't so much sing as scream (see Brian Johnson), and Stephens wails with the high-pitched glee of a singer who can sing and who knows it. But the two make it work, painfully so â?? they demand Mouthful of Love be played through cabinet speakers, because that's the only way their collective yowling and the din of two guitars won't destroy the ears. In typical '70s revivalist fashion, the introductory title track spends nearly a minute rocking before the vocalists come in, making their mark on the line "Boots are gonna knock now." "Starlite" is a completely un-ironic love anthem ("Because you wear my jacket girl!"), a triumphant big block stomp decorated with a gorgeous chorus break from Stephens, and "Tommy Shots"' ridiculous thrill of crackling riff and flying spit foreshadows "Over and Over," Young Heart Attack's MC5 cover that builds an addition onto the phrase "over the top." It's all ascending "Do do do do do do do doo!" vocal squeals, Hodge's clenched-eyelids lead, and caterwauling electric guitar baited by pounding snare. But as giddy as all of this is, YHA's enthusiasm can work against them. Their songs contain so many relentlessly exciting chunks, it can be difficult for the band to build a dynamic beyond Rock! You! Right! Now! Ahhrrggh! Still, the loopy intro and subsequent Stones vibe of "(Take Me Back) Mary Jane" offer some levity, and make the double-time stumble of "Sick of Doing Time" even more satisfying. By the time closer "Misty Rowe" rolls around, you're back to reveling in throbbing summer-night nostalgia. Whose summer nights? Who cares? A case of Shiner, loud guitars, and hot American metal through the ass of your jeans â?? that's a Mouthful of Love, and it's about to eat you for dinner. â?? Johnny Loftus

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2004, 10:30:00 am »
the zep, who, "foxy on the run" description seals it for me... i wonder if it's easily gotten today.  i may need to inflict it on the rooneyites today
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« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2004, 10:33:00 am »
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  i wonder if it's easily gotten today.  i may need to inflict it on the rooneyites today
A release date of 5/4/04. Should be available somewhere.

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2004, 10:44:00 am »
Kosmo,
 
 Those music reviews are almost criminally bad.
 
 "that the Cardigans have delivered a comeback this edgy is really sucker punch enough."
 
 Does anyone really say edgy anymore? The cardigans album is a favourite of mine. But, ahem, edgy it is not. To quote a somewhat better musical reviewer, "If you like this shit, you might as well llisten to Sheryl Crow."

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Re: Roll Call:Wilco
« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2004, 10:47:00 am »
That's hilarious.  Who said that?
 
 
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 "If you like this shit, you might as well llisten to Sheryl Crow."