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Mainstream Indie
« on: September 16, 2005, 02:10:00 am »
We all knew Rhett was right but nobody wanted to admit it. I myself have often used what I call Mainstream Indie to describe a certain type of band. In fact we all know a lot of faux hipsters who don't even want to hear it unless it's been sanctioned by the likes of The OC or Pitchfork. From now on, you can run but you can't hide any longer behind that black ironic band t-shirt.
 
 Indie Bands Move Closer to the Mainstream
 
 By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment Writer
 Thu Sep 15, 5:04 PM ET
 
 As the CMJ Music Marathon â?? the Sundance of rock 'n' roll â?? descends on New York this weekend, hundreds of unknown indie bands are getting their shot at fame.
 
 Lately, their odds are a little better. With the success of groups like Death Cab for Cutie, Modest Mouse and Bright Eyes, indie rock is seeping into the mainstream â?? a mixed blessing for a genre that prides itself on being underground.
 
 "There's been a real zeitgeist in the last couple years with kids and shy, quiet indie rock bands who are connecting with people en masse," says Death Cab guitarist Chris Walla.
 
 Stephen Malkmus, who fronted the quintessential '90s indie band Pavement, is now a solo artist. "I started when it was still college rock," he says. "It seems to have become more institutionalized in big cities ... I'm glad to be a part of it."
 
 "It" is blended into TV shows like "The O.C.," movie soundtracks like the upcoming "Elizabethtown" and a healthy amount of commercials. Unlike sellout-conscious Kurt Cobain wannabes, today's indie fans are mostly rooting for the success of the music â?? and often exasperated at the relative anonymity of their favorite band.
 
 Like Natalie Portman says of the Shins in "Garden State": "They'll change your life."
 
 "The entire independent scene has come to the fore," says Bobby Haber, founder and CEO of CMJ, or College Media Journal. "I think it's a watershed moment."
 
 Death Cab's fifth album, "Plans," has sold 128,000 copies in two weeks after debuting at No. 4. Modest Mouse's "Good News for People Who Love Bad News" has gone platinum. Last November, singer-songwriter Connor Oberst's band, Bright Eyes, had two songs top the Billboard singles chart â?? knocking out a duet by Usher and Alicia Keys and sending the indie rock world into a tailspin.
 
 "Universe reveals plan to self-destruct," wrote Ryan Schreiber of PitchforkMedia.com, arguably the critical epicenter of indie music.
 
 Indie rock, like alternative music in the early '90s, is a vague term meant to characterize progressive, underground rock 'n' roll.
 
 "It used to mean, especially in the late '80s, early '90s, that you were on an indie label like Matador or Sub Pop," says Sia Michel, editor-in-chief of Spin magazine. Now, she says, the term defines a specific sound, "this kind of smart, but tuneful and passionate kind of rock music."
 
 Unlike alt-rock, which was focused on grunge and anti-corporate anger, indie rock is a much broader sound that can incorporate forms of folk, country and electronica â?? but is mostly in the tradition of groups like Velvet Underground and Talking Heads.
 
 Current indie bands also rarely have the desire for cultural change like alternative acts did. "There is NOTHING about what we're doing that screams cultural revolution," Walla says.
 
 There's also more acceptance of the corporate world. Though they still carry the indie flag, Death Cab, Modest Mouse and semi-indies like Franz Ferdinand and the Killers are all signed to major labels.
 
 "Ten years ago, an indie rock band wouldn't have been caught dead being signed to a major," says Nic Harcourt, host of the influential radio show "Morning Becomes Eclectic" on Los Angeles' KCRW. Today, "the sensibility is more of an aesthetic than it is a manifesto."
 
 Michel agrees: "It's almost seen as kind of cool to score an iPod commercial."
 
 Speaking of which, iTunes and Internet downloads have made it easier for music fans to connect with underground artists. For Postal Service (a collaboration of Death Cab's Ben Gibbard and Dntel's Jimmy Tamborello) Sub Pop received more than 4 million downloads of "Such Great Heights" through MySpace.com. The album, "Give Up," has now sold over 650,000 copies, the label's biggest seller since Nirvana's "Bleach."
 
 Then there are TV and movies, which are often being created by young people who like indie bands. The long-haired, reverb-heavy My Morning Jacket are featured in Cameron Crowe's upcoming film "Elizabethtown," and Aqueduct's quirky lo-fi can currently be heard behind pictures of plush Jaguars.
 
 If there's one band iconic of the scene, it's Arcade Fire. Hailing from Montreal, a bastion of indiedom, their debut, "Funeral," blew away critics and has sold over 200,000 discs.
 
 "I think they're like the best band, period," says Carl Newman, frontman of the New Pornographers, echoing the feelings of many indie rockers.
 
 Some point to Arcade Fire as the obvious candidate to sell like Modest Mouse.
 
 "It's not that (indie rock) is strange, it's not that bizarre â?? it's simply a little ahead of its time," says Haber. "In late 1978, the Police sounded pretty strange ... but six months later, it was on Top 40 radio with `Roxanne.'"
 
 Walla credits Death Cab's switch to Atlantic (from indie Barsuk) in part to the creative contract they were offered. He says some majors are starting to rethink their role, turning away from "producing" bands in favor of simply distributing them.
 
 So are majors now trying to sign "the next Death Cab"?
 
 "If all of a sudden, that becomes the flavor of the month and all the labels want to sign a band like Death Cab for Cutie, then we're onto the next cycle of alternative rock and it's dead as soon as they start it," says radio host Harcourt. "So I hope not."

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2005, 08:53:00 am »
This is great, now what are you guys gonna do?

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2005, 08:58:00 am »
I think the idea that who distributes an record determines the quality of the music on that record is silly. Would someone who hates "mainstream indie" like it if they bought it from the band at show in a friend's basement rather then Crooked Beat? I would hope they would make their determination based on its sound not its point of purchase.
 
 Also, why be so critical of a band for doing what is best for them financially? I get the sense that a number of people on this board have regular day jobs. If someone came up to you tomorrow and said "hey you compile statistics really well, how about I pay you twice as much to do it for me, oh and of course you get complete 'statistical control' on how the numbers are produced"- would you take them up on their offer? I bet you might.

Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2005, 09:06:00 am »
Actually, it's imperative to the statistician to remain neutral when it comes to such things as complete "statistical control".
 
 That's why when a statistician is employed by a law team in a lawsuit, (s)he receives the same fee no matter (unlike the lawyer) whether the case is won or lost. Otherwise, if they wanted to influence the outcome, they could...but then his/her credibility would be torn to shreds.
 
 
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  I think the idea that who distributes an record determines the quality of the music on that record is silly. Would someone who hates "mainstream indie" like it if they bought it from the band at show in a friend's basement rather then Crooked Beat? I would hope they would make their determination based on its sound not its point of purchase.
 
 Also, why be so critical of a band for doing what is best for them financially? I get the sense that a number of people on this board have regular day jobs. If someone came up to you tomorrow and said "hey you compile statistics really well, how about I pay you twice as much to do it for me, oh and of course you get complete 'statistical control' on how the numbers are produced"- would you take them up on their offer? I bet you might.

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2005, 09:16:00 am »
i have never understood this need to constantly beatup indie bands over such matters... whether it was over the selling of songs to be used in commercials or signing to larger labels... if a musician indie or otherwise wants to actually make a living at what they do so be it... the higher profile "indie" labels are still distributed by majors Astralwerks, Rough Trade, Vice, etc... even the smaller indie labels align themselves with major labels by becoming part of their strictly distribution branches.  it's about getting the product out there and hoping it finds an audience.
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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2005, 09:28:00 am »
Kasabian's got a cut running with what I think is a cereal ad for Kelloggs.  Sheesh.  :roll:

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2005, 09:31:00 am »
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
 [QB] Actually, it's imperative to the statistician to remain neutral when it comes to such things as complete "statistical control".
 
 That's why when a statistician is employed by a law team in a lawsuit, (s)he receives the same fee no matter (unlike the lawyer) whether the case is won or lost.
How did I know you would miss the point? Lets say the lawsuit is your record- and lets say that before you start a new lawsuit (or record)another 'major' law firm (or label) offers to double your pay on the next, unrelated law suit (or record). The take away message is, what is wrong with making a living at what you like to do and are good at? Are your stats terrible because you are able to put a roof over your head and eat dinner every day?

Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2005, 09:44:00 am »
Perhaps because you didn't make it very well?   :D  
 
 
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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2005, 10:15:00 am »
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  Kasabian's got a cut running with what I think is a cereal ad for Kelloggs.  Sheesh.   :roll:  
and it's probably helping them to be able to afford to tour the us
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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2005, 12:01:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
 [QB] Perhaps because you didn't make it very well?    :D  
Or maybe your pedantic and without the ability to make a solid argument on your merits.  :D

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2005, 12:12:00 pm »
Does anyone think that "indie cred" is taken more seriously or holds more water in this area because of dischord being so fiercely independent?  I'm not sure myself, just wanted to know what others think.

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2005, 12:14:00 pm »
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  Does anyone think that "indie cred" is taken more seriously or holds more water in this area because of dischord being so fiercely independent?  I'm not sure myself, just wanted to know what others think.
No.

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2005, 12:15:00 pm »
Didn't the City Paper do a piece on Ian Macakaye holding DC back a few years ago?

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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2005, 01:58:00 pm »
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  Didn't the City Paper do a piece on Ian Macakaye holding DC back a few years ago?
i think that's a yearly piece
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Re: Mainstream Indie
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2005, 02:55:00 pm »
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
  Kasabian's got a cut running with what I think is a cereal ad for Kelloggs.  Sheesh.   :roll:  
They also had a song in a car commercial earlier this year.  Doesn't make me like the music less.