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dtqjr

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WTF Ticketmaster
« on: April 27, 2005, 01:11:00 am »
Taken from RS...
 
 Scalpers Go High Tech
 
 Brokers make it harder than ever to see top acts
 
 At precisely 11 a.m. on Saturday, April 9th, Julie Grayauskie, a social worker in Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania, called Ticketmaster on two phones and logged on to ticketmaster.com on her computer. She had seen Bruce Springsteen seventeen times on the Rising tour and desperately wanted a ticket to his May 19th show at the Continental Airlines Arena in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Forty-five minutes later, she gave up. "You get online right away, it tells you your wait time is less than a minute and it pops up right away: 'No tickets available,'" she says. "It sucks. I don't know how to put it -- I'm so angry."
 
 Within minutes, fans from New Jersey to Colorado to Minnesota were echoing Grayauskie's outrage on Springsteen message boards. "Scalpers rot!" declared one. "I'm sick and tired of being penalized for not being a well-connected insider," said another. For hot tours like Springsteen, U2 and Nine Inch Nails -- and, soon, Paul McCartney and the Rolling Stones -- professional ticket brokers use a combination of manpower and technology to swoop in and commandeer hundreds of seats at a time. As of Monday afternoon, April 11th, ticketsnow.com was selling 292 seats to Springsteen's New Jersey show -- almost nine percent of the 3,300 seats that went on sale to the public -- with some going for as much as $2,565 apiece.
 
 Ticket scalping has been frustrating artists and fans for decades, and in the age of eBay, it's possible for anybody to buy and sell high-demand tickets for outrageous profits. But the bigger problem is that major ticket brokers have become far more nimble and sophisticated -- often using expensive software that enables them to get around ticketmaster.com's security and buy up large blocks of tickets before fans have the chance. "It's one of the worst aspects of capitalism," says Peter Harvey, attorney general of New Jersey, where selling tickets for fifty percent above face value is illegal. The state recently opened a $5 million anti-Internet-fraud crime lab with the FBI, and Harvey promises to use it to prosecute online scalpers.
 
 Check out these prices: Nine Inch Nails on April 27th at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco, with a face value of $35.50, now up to $407 at ticketliquidator.com; Audioslave on April 30th at the Roseland Ballroom in New York, originally $35, $177 at stubhub.com; and U2, whose tickets hit $1,500 apiece last month on eBay until the band recently lowered demand by adding more shows.
 
 "It's hard," says Peter Paterno, attorney for Metallica, Pearl Jam and others. "You look at Metallica and Pearl Jam and Rancid -- they try to keep their ticket price really fair, but at the end of the day that just means scalpers line up and resell them. The ticket brokers are not stupid. They've gotten very efficient at what they do."
 
 How do they do it? Just as brokers used to hire people to stand in line overnight at Tower Records to buy tickets for hot shows, now they hire dozens of people to log on to ticketmaster.com at the moment hot tickets go on sale. Some also incorporate more complicated high-tech techniques, like using computer "bots" to override ticketmaster.com's security by automatically plugging in the randomly selected "secret word" repeatedly and at high speeds. Hackers reportedly sell the software for $20,000 and say it allows a single broker to buy hundreds of tickets in minutes.
 
 All this is technically legal in most of the U.S. "As long as there's supply and demand, there's going to be ticket brokering," says Gary Adler, general counsel for the National Association of Ticket Brokers in Washington, D.C. "And you'd much rather have it be done by legitimate businessmen than out of the trunk of somebody's car."
 
 Some big-name artists are fighting back against the scalpers. For the best seats on Springsteen's Devils and Dust tour, promoters stipulated that buyers had to show up personally at Will Call in order to claim most tickets. Other artists, including Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews Band, allow fan-club members first shot at tickets. But that can backfire: Earlier this year, U2 tried to limit pre-sale tickets to members of its fan club, but scalpers simply joined the fan club to get some of the first seats.
 
 Many artists have even contemplated raising ticket prices for top seats to compete with scalpers. "But then you appear to take advantage of your fans, and you don't want to," says Jim Guerinot, manager of Nine Inch Nails, No Doubt and others. "It's a can't-win situation."
 
 
 Re the end of that 2nd paragraph.  How the hell does one agency get away with reselling 9% of one show's tickets?  TM fucking sucks.

Frank Gallagher

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Re: WTF Ticketmaster
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2005, 06:21:00 am »
America is a wonderful place to make a buck isn't it?

HoyaSaxa03

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 10:00:00 am »
they did a piece on this article on NBC nightly news a couple of days ago ...
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2005, 10:57:00 am »
i don't think that it's 100% about ticketmaster.
 it's more about what pieces of shit people are in general.  back in 2003(?) when the shuttle disintegrated, i searched for columbia (it was that one right?) stuff on ebay.  there were like 100 items maybe.  it takes a little while newly listed stuff to come up.. the following morning i searched again and there were something like 2000 items.  it's ridiculous how much people try to profit off of tragedy or just because they can totally price gouge people.  it's ridiculous.
 
 and you can bitch about ticketmaster all you want, but as i've pointed out before, tickets.com direclty links to a scalper site.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2005, 11:18:00 am »
I don't blame those selling it, it's the morons buying it that's to blame.
 
 When John Paul II popped it (or is that poped it) everything in Rome, and I mean everything just about tripled in price, from hotel rooms to bottled water. I didn't understand why the catholics flocked over there, did they think he would become less dead if they showed up in St. Peters Square or something?

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Re: WTF Ticketmaster
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2005, 11:49:00 am »
I've purchased tickets from brokers before and I don't feel like they are the slime of the earth. They provide a service. I wasn't able to camp out or spend hours logged on to the internet to get good seats. I paid a bit more for the opportunity to sit where I wanted. I think scalping gets a bad name because of those who TRULY gouge (talking about 5 or 6 times face value). People who pay that are morons. But usually, if you wait til close to the show, they are desperate to unload and I've actually bought tickets from brokers BELOW face value. For a recent 9:30 show that sold out before I could get tickets, I paid $40 each for tickets that had a face value of $27.50. I did the transaction over Ebay and it was perfectly fine. I didn't feel ripped up. I was thankful to get tickets. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this topic though.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2005, 11:57:00 am »
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Originally posted by Lamb007:
  I've purchased tickets from brokers before and I don't feel like they are the slime of the earth. They provide a service. I wasn't able to camp out or spend hours logged on to the internet to get good seats. I paid a bit more for the opportunity to sit where I wanted. I think scalping gets a bad name because of those who TRULY gouge (talking about 5 or 6 times face value). People who pay that are morons. But usually, if you wait til close to the show, they are desperate to unload and I've actually bought tickets from brokers BELOW face value. For a recent 9:30 show that sold out before I could get tickets, I paid $40 each for tickets that had a face value of $27.50. I did the transaction over Ebay and it was perfectly fine. I didn't feel ripped up. I was thankful to get tickets. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this topic though.
there are many different scenarios for scalping of course.  So you dont mind to buy tickets from a broker cause you couldnt camp out for tickets, but really.....maybe you wouldnt have had to camp out for tickets if the scalpers wouldnt have bought all the tickets cause sometimes those shows only sell out because of scalpers.  It happens all the time in Canada.  People who work at ticket outlets know how many tickets are left....once it gets to about 500 or so. they call the broker, and the broker buys the rest and BOOM its a sold out show.
 
    the only answer to scalping is to limit the profit margin, but its like the war on drugs and downloading...a lost cause.

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Re: WTF Ticketmaster
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2005, 01:32:00 am »
My main gripe is what I stated at the end of the article.
 
 One company managed to purchase 9% of the tickets available for a show.  With a little effort from TM, stuff like that should be preventable.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2005, 07:59:00 am »
yeah i was wondering the same thing... one would think with a little analysis it wouldn't be hard to detect who is using word generation to secure tickets.
 
 ticket brokering is fine if there is preset limits on the markup, however even wont stop them... not to hard to setup a hotel/ticket package and charge a fortune.
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