denied admission

[Guiny]

Originally posted by twangirl:
  [qb]  
 The staph has many other things to deal with at the door.

What?  Looking at the hot chicks in mini skirts?

[eltee]

I sure hope the kiddies took metro.

[thatguy]

this all happened on the stoop of the club.  i was standing in the doorway when i took their tickets, which they handed to me.  they were attempting to enter the club at the time.    
 
 i could've waited until they were processed at the front door and let into the club, then told someone to keep an eye on them, then waited 10 or 15 minutes until their 21 year old friend bought them a drink or they did something stupid inside, then kicked them out.  or, i could cut it off before the problem arose since they had already broken the rules.  
 
 if they were kicked out from inside, they would not have been able to sell their tickets.  this is the same situation.  all i did was save myself and the staph 15 minutes of work.
 
 i was not willing to risk them getting in later if i walked away from the door for a minute, so i was not willing to give them their tickets back.  people go to great lengths to get in/back in to the club when we don't want them there.  when i have a sold out crowd to deal with, i'm going to make it as easy as possible to keep the people out that need to be kept out.  if they don't have their tickets, and can't buy another one, they aren't getting in.  
 
 the two people in question demanded refunds, which was not going to happen.  if they had asked if they could sell their tickets, i might've  supervised the process and let them do it, but then again, i might not have.  
 
 nobody else on this site was involved with this situation.  you don't know the attitude or demeanor of the patrons in question.  if presented with the same situation, i would make the same decisions.

[Urbansprite]

Originally posted by you be betty:
  Taking his ticket just isn't cool.  If he's "responsible" enough to be drinking, he should be "responsible" enough to deal with his own ticket.  
 
 Plus, as far as teaching him a lesson, in his way he sees his not getting into the show now as the club's fault...they took his ticket.  Letting him deal with it himself might be a better way to show that it's his issue, not yours.  That's what I say at least.

I'm quite sure the staph was not worried about teaching the kid a lesson or otherwise addressing his issues. The staph is very very cool to club patrons, and they do keep an eye towards keeping the youngin's safe.  But that does not mean that the club is some Boys and Girls Club of Rock n' Roll charged with steering misguided youth away from the dark side one ticket at a time. 4-H ain't printed on the staph's t-shirts. What isn't cool is jeopardizing the liquor license of a venue that really works to make sure all ages can attend shows. Honestly, taking that kid's ticket and getting rid of him is the coolest thing that the club could do for everyone under 21 that wants to keep seeing shows.
 
 Also, remember that this is only a discussion because the kid was stupid enough to make it one. A smart person would sober up, realize he did a stupid thing, lay low for a while, let others make asses out of themselves at the door for a while, and then return to the club incident free. This guy apparently thought it would be a good idea to crystallize his image in the staph's memory by pushing the issue. Half of being a successful advocate is choosing a worthy cause. This guy isn't it.

[RatBastard]

First off I was not at this show, my comments are based on what I have read here and knowing the staph from frequenting the club.  All I can say is that I 100% agree with the choices made by the thatguy.  One of the main reasons we drive up to the club from Richmond as often as we do is because of how well the place is run.  Bottom line is if you break the rules and get caught, you deal with the consequences.  You break the rules and act like a dick in the process, game over.

[Bags]

Originally posted by RatBastard:
 All I can say is that I 100% agree with the choices made by the thatguy.  One of the main reasons we drive up to the club from Richmond as often as we do is because of how well the place is run.

Just a note that I agree -- Staff's judgement, and Thatguy's in particular, is extremely sound.  I wouldn't question his handling of the situation.  I have no idea how much of a problem the kids posed.  
 
 I'm glad to be beyond those days, lemme tell ya.

[distance]

this thread is great.

[smakawhat]

you know what gets me the most out of all this...
 
 I have been going to shows for what... over 15+ years now, I am probably a little older than the VAST majority of you people here who frequent this board, I drop in to peer around from time to time.  I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.
 
 What I just have never understood in my entire life of going to concerts is WHY... WHY for the love of mergatroid if you call yourself A MUSIC FAN would you go inebreiate your senses BEFORE or DURING the show.  why even bother seeing the band if you can't logicaly take in the experience with a clear mind??
 
 Now I can see maybe some minor exceptions to this like a few dead heads having a couple tokes which probably does NOTHING for them, but concerts are all about hearing your favourite song, if the opening act is going to be good, listening for that killer jam or riff, to do that you have to YOUR SENSES!!
 
 If you love a band so much, why would you go spend the first 3 songs of a show completly pie -eyed and then running to the john to huge the porcelain and miss the whole set??  I have gone to so many shows and seen this, why the fuck are you even here?? I keep saying to myself when I see these fuckwads.
 
 When I was at shows I desperatly wanted to see and saw this behaviour my only thought was, you know you are taking the place of some rabid fan who couldn't get tix for this show and you spend 90% of your time so out of it you can't even appreciate it, hear it, or even see it.
 
 I see these little dumb fucks and I want to kick their heads in.
 
 I have also been in line outside at the show and seen people drinking, and one of the bouncers (I don't know his name he's the one with the big earings loops) flat out said okay you are not coming into my club.  Fuking rights...
 
 If you call yourself a music fan, but go to shows completly bombed before the show you are not a fan you're a fukin tool.  just give me your ticket(s) so that way me and friends can save some coin.
 
 Rant over....
 
 no smilies...  ok maybe one    :mad:

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by smakawhat:
   I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.

Hell - I'm not even that young 30's guy anymore.   Ugh.

[you be betty]

Right.  And I mean you don't have to get defensive, of course I applaud thatguy.  I love this club, I love the staff, you are all great.  I probably would have handled it differently myself...but that is why I don't work there and you do.
 
 It's like those kids who planned on getting high and sent the cops on a chase to Fort Reno.  You should respect those involved in the process of bringing music to you.  We're lucky enough to have a great venue here that is all-ages and people that want to work towards letting us see bands.  So don't go and do stupid shit to ruin it for everyone else.  I'm a bit worried about the whole generation in general.

[RatBastard]

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
   

Originally posted by smakawhat:
   I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.

Hell - I'm not even that young 30's guy anymore.   Ugh. [/b]

Hell I am not even that your 40s guy and more!  But I do go to about 50-60 shows a year AND since I dont drink, I remember all of them and alwasy have a great time.

[flawd101]

pre-gaming could be fun but not if you really care about the band...and i would never fuck around with 930 since they are strict. but still cool.

[chaz]

Damn smakawhat, got some issues or something?
 
 First off, I'd say most of the regs on here have been going to shows for as long or longer than your storied 15 years so no need to qualify yourself there.
 
 Lemme say that I haven't been loaded in about 10 years....but I can definately tell you that in the days I did so, being high or drunk or whatever definately enhanced many a show for me.
 
 So if you're a purtitan or whatever, great for you but don't condemn the whole world for getting buzzed for a show.

[sweetcell]

Sr Carlos - my hope is that he isn't talking about getting a light buzz on, he's talking about getting totally shit-faced to the point where you can't remember and/or enjoy the show (i complained about something similar at vfest).

[chaz]

Originally posted by sweetcell:
  Sr Carlos - my hope is that he isn't talking about getting a light buzz on, he's talking about getting totally shit-faced to the point where you can't remember and/or enjoy the show (i complained about something similar at vfest).

Please please....call me chaz...
 
 You're propably right, his/her rant was just so condescending and judgmental in tone.
 
 That whole "inebriate your senses" crap...c'mon.  The real world is overrated.  Just cuz I don't do it anymore doesn't mean I can't see the value in getting loaded and shutting it out once in a while.
 
 I don't really care what people do before/during a show.  Not to say I havne't been irritated by an obnoxious drunk or two, but you get my drift.
 
 As long as people realize what they do can sometimes have consequences and don't cry when they experience them...
 
 Thatguy, you gave the OP the gift on consequences.  Maybe next time he'll be a little bit smarter for it.