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markie

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Re: I'm the N.R.A.
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2005, 05:02:00 pm »
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  however, the first thing that hitler did do was abolish trade unions....
did he?
 
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 "In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby."

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2005, 05:02:00 pm »
Hitler was gay.

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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2005, 05:03:00 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2005, 05:12:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
 But does the constitution not say ( to paraphrase) that it should not be set in stone and should be modified to fit the times?
No, crap, it says absolutely no such thing.  It says it may be amended by a two thirds vote in each house and ratification of 3/4 of the states, or if there is a new constitutional convention.
 
 If the constitution means whatever you want it to mean, then it doesn't mean anything.  The whole point of having a written constitution is that you protect certain core principles and ideals from the popular whims of the day, even, and especially, when doing so protects unpopular people and minorities from the will of the mob.
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 Saddam's people in Iraq had guns, so did his army.   Ordinary people did not.  Hence the mass graves.
 
 Afghanistan is an even better example.  It's rarely had anything resembling a unified government.  Popular uprisings helped defeat the soviet invasion as well as the taliban later on.  
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 Second Amendment supporters don't tend to have hatred of First Amendment supporters.
 
 People generally fall into two categories: those who support the bill of rights and individual freedoms generally, and those who pick and choose and twist what they like depending on which team they're cheering for.  
 
 The ACLU is firmly in the second camp.  They do some admirable things, but they are hypocritical and partisan in many ways.  
 
 NRA and GOA are single-issue groups.  They take no positions on non-firearms related issues, except to the extent those other issues impact their ability to function and promote their gun cause.  Sometimes, this means they are better friends of the First Amendment than certain so-called "liberal" groups.

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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2005, 05:13:00 pm »
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godsshoeshine

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Re: I'm the N.R.A.
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2005, 05:19:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
   
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  however, the first thing that hitler did do was abolish trade unions....
did he?
 
  http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/mk/mkv2chap12.htm
 
 "In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby." [/b]
the site is blocked at work, so i can't see the year he said it. abolished may be the wrong phrasing, but he did send all of the leaders to concentration camps and took over the opperation of the unions, which defeated the point
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2005, 05:36:00 pm »
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  Typical stupid Republican arguments that are boiled down to there most simple and therefore completely miss the point:
 
 Its easy to attract more dumb people who aren't paying attention.
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godsshoeshine

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2005, 06:02:00 pm »
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
   
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Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
 But does the constitution not say ( to paraphrase) that it should not be set in stone and should be modified to fit the times?
No, crap, it says absolutely no such thing.  It says it may be amended by a two thirds vote in each house and ratification of 3/4 of the states, or if there is a new constitutional convention.
 
 If the constitution means whatever you want it to mean, then it doesn't mean anything.  The whole point of having a written constitution is that you protect certain core principles and ideals from the popular whims of the day, even, and especially, when doing so protects unpopular people and minorities from the will of the mob.
 -------
 
 Saddam's people in Iraq had guns, so did his army.   Ordinary people did not.  Hence the mass graves.
 
 Afghanistan is an even better example.  It's rarely had anything resembling a unified government.  Popular uprisings helped defeat the soviet invasion as well as the taliban later on.  
 ------
 
 Second Amendment supporters don't tend to have hatred of First Amendment supporters.
 
 People generally fall into two categories: those who support the bill of rights and individual freedoms generally, and those who pick and choose and twist what they like depending on which team they're cheering for.  
 
 The ACLU is firmly in the second camp.  They do some admirable things, but they are hypocritical and partisan in many ways.  
 
 NRA and GOA are single-issue groups.  They take no positions on non-firearms related issues, except to the extent those other issues impact their ability to function and promote their gun cause.  Sometimes, this means they are better friends of the First Amendment than certain so-called "liberal" groups. [/b]
eh, that's an awfully knee jerk reaction to the aclu's gun stance. they believe in the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia, but unless you believe people should be allowed to carry nukes in a suitcase in public then you believe in some sort of gun control. the question is how much gun control (well regulated is part of the 2nd amendment, after all) and that's a congressional question more than a constitutional one
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Re: I'm the N.R.A.
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2005, 07:18:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
  But does the constitution not say ( to paraphrase) that it should not be set in stone and should be modified to fit the times?
We will all find out on  Sept. 17.
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Frank Gallagher

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2005, 05:36:00 am »
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  one of the first things that hitler did was take the guns away.
ugh.
 
 i hate when this whole hitler gun control thing is brought up ... the subtle implication that the necessary next step from sensible gun control is fascism (which is used constantly by the NRA) really frustrates me [/b]
Just think, if the Jews had guns then WWII could've been nipped in the bud.
 
 The Hitler/gun control comparison is stooooopid, and shows the NRA for the redneck morons that they are.
 
 
 A more accurate comparison is USA/NAZIS....we can have nukes, but no bugger else can.

TheREALHunter

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Re: I'm the N.R.A.
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2005, 08:32:00 am »
DC doesn't allow gun ownership which has helped immensely in making it a safe environment, Virginia and Maryland should take note.