I'm the N.R.A.

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 All the young black people I see think that all they can be is singers and dancers and musicians and football players and sportsmen. Well, I say they're wrong. There's something else in store for them if they want it.
 
 They can collect guns. I've got eighty or more guns in my collection, and my bodyguards, the Fruit of Islam, carry many more guns. I look at them sometimes and say to myself, 'Where'd these guns come from? Who used these guns before we liberated them into the service of Allah? What could Allah have meant when he put these guns in our hands?'  
 
 Think about the great men of history, the men who have led their nations. All of them collected guns. Think about Hitler. He was a good man, and he had his guns. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a black person, but he was a great German. And the Germans made great guns.
 
 That's why I belong to the NRA. I want guns to remain a part of American life, to be used safely and legally. I want guns to remain a real solution to solving tough crimes, crimes that we feel are punishable by death.  
 
 One day, we will punish you with death. And we'll be proud to say ...
 
 I'm the NRA.

[J'Mal]

there is no historical record that hitler was a gun collector or enthusiast of any kind.  but he was a very strong advocate of gun control.  one of the first things that hitler did was take the guns away.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  one of the first things that hitler did was take the guns away.

ugh.
 
 i hate when this whole hitler gun control thing is brought up ... the subtle implication that the necessary next step from sensible gun control is fascism (which is used constantly by the NRA) really frustrates me

[markie]

Typical stupid Republican arguments that are boiled down to there most simple and therefore completely miss the point:
 
 http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html
 
 
 Its easy to attract more dumb people who aren't paying attention. That is how the nazi's got into power, not gun control.

[J'Mal]

no, the hitler thing was brought up in the original post.
 
 ugh, i hate it when advocates of individual rights are lumped in with a monster who worked very hard to obliterate those rights, the not very subtle implication being that if you support the right to keep and bear arms, you're hitler.
 
 the fact is, gun control is necessary for fascism and other forms of totalitarian oppression, as gun ownership by the civilian population is incompatible with totalitarian oppression.
 
 the original post has nothing to do with "common sense gun control."   it is just a slur on people who advocate for gun rights.

[markie]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  , as gun ownership by the civilian population is incompatible with totalitarian oppression.
 
 

Absolute and utter nonsense.
 
 Are you the most gullible and naive person, ever?

[J'Mal]

Der grö�te Unsinn, den man in den besetzen Ostgebieten machen könnte, sei der, den unterworfenen Völkern Waffen zu geben. Die Geschichte lehre, da� alle Herrenvölker untergegangen seien, nachdem sie den von ihnen unterworfenen Volkern Waffen bewilligt hatten.
 
     [The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.]
     -- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitlers Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942. [Hitler's Table-Talk at the Fuhrer's Headquarters 1941-1942], Dr. Henry Picker, ed. (Athenaum-Verlag, Bonn, 1951)
 
 A related article: "Nazi Firearms Laws and the Disarming of the German Jews", by Stephen Halbroook:
 
 http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  ugh, i hate it when advocates of individual rights are lumped in with a monster who worked very hard to obliterate those rights, the not very subtle implication being that if you support the right to keep and bear arms, you're hitler.

i never implied that, and, frankly, as a jew i despise all political appropriations of nazi imagery, from org's like moveon and the NRA
 
 
 

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  the fact is, gun control is necessary for fascism and other forms of totalitarian oppression, as gun ownership by the civilian population is incompatible with totalitarian oppression.

perhaps, but the NRA uses the nazi angle to specifically imply that gun control leads directly to totalitarianism and facism ... which, by simply taking a virtual tour of the world's gun laws, is easily proven patently untrue

[markie]

So how about Afghanistan and Iraq for examples? No one had guns there and those regimes were not oppressive?
 
 Hell, your civil liberties are being eroded everyday. An American citizen was held indefinitely without trial just recently.
 
 I already posted that gun control had no impact on Hitlers rise and hold over power, that is a myth.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
 Hell, your civil liberties are being eroded everyday. An American citizen was held indefinitely without trial just recently.
 

i'm not trying to be reactionary and abrasive here (i swear!)
 
 i've heard the new NRA prez quoted as saying something to the effect that the first mission of the NRA is to protect and uphold the bill of rights.
 
 so why do second amendment supporters (NRA, GOA, etc) have such hatred for first amendment supporters (ACLU)?

[markie]

I dont have a good grasp of the acronyms, but I hate historical facts being distorted to fulfil an agenda.
 
 But does the constitution not say ( to paraphrase) that it should not be set in stone and should be modified to fit the times?

[Sir HC]

Iraq seems to have a lot of guns, pre-US invasion guns.  They were pretty ruthlessly oppressed.

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 ...the original post has nothing to do with "common sense gun control."   it is just a slur on people

Is it?  I copied it word-for-word from an old issue of The National Lampoon magazine.  It was a parody of a then-current NRA ad campaign.

[godsshoeshine]

however, the first thing that hitler did do was abolish trade unions....

[markie]

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