damn

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Erinaceous Sonickus:
  President McCain here come.  
 
 
 way to go Hope-Changers....way to go....

I'll take that bet. Name your price.
 
 If the Do you Read? thread hadn't been purged you would have seen smackie say this was more than possible back in November of 06.  I'm not going to waiver now.
 
 More concerning to me today is that Morgan Tsvangirai was arrested.

[manimtired]

ah presidential race season...how many internet bets will be made and never paid during this time...

[sweetcell]

sonick - so you think hillary would have a better shot against mccain?
 
 manamitired: dunno about others, but smackie pays his bets.  you can count on that.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by sweetcell:
  sonick - so you think hillary would have a better shot against mccain?

I definitely do.  Hillary is not quite so over the top.  She's lived the White house for 8  years, been on the Senate for a while and knows how to get things done in Washington.
 
   Obama just thinks he's gonna go to the White house and "change how things are done in Washington".  Yeah, right and the 500 old fat white dudes who've been there since Obama was in grade school are going to roll over and let him?
 
   doubtful.  
 
    And besides that, we ALL know that a woman stands a better chance than a black man in this country...especially when her hubby is a former Pres himself.
 
    and all that is before we talk about the fact that Obama has no forgien policy or realistic goals on the economy or Iraq.
   
    he's like the Gnarls Barkley of Presidential campaigns.  we're all about him now but by 2010 we'll be scraping his bumper stickers off of our cars we're paying $7 a gallon to drive around in.
 
 
  <end rant>

[bearman🐻]

I have to admit that I'm with Sonic on this one. Hillary made mistakes on the campaign. A lot of them. And there was surely an arrogance factor with Bill. But the thing that I respect about Hillary is that she had a more defined view of what she would do if she took office, and the arrogance there was the assumption that she would be able to get it.
 
 Obama is going to be like the dog that caught the car, assuming he can get there. He's smart, he speaks well, but he's also advocating change (which we do need). But I still don't think that he is giving us the well-defined agenda yet. I hope that changes. Hillary's evils were known...and I would have been more content with those than Obama's unknowns, of which I am afraid there are many. And the way the political climate is, there are a LOT of Republicans that cannot stand McCain, and I think Hillary would have been a less bitter pill to swallow. Even though a lot of folks hate her, I think Obama will have a tougher shot. Of course it's only June and a lot can happen in the next four months.

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by Erinaceous Sonickus:
 Hillary is not quite so over the top.  

<img src="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/Hillary%20Clinton.jpg" alt=" - " />

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Hillary is not quite so over the top?
 
   <img src="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hillary_clinton.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
   <img src="http://suburbarazzi.lohudblogs.com/files/2007/04/tjndc5-5e5hcys7bysvlxou2o4_layout.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
   <img src="http://www.soundoffcolumn.com/images/obama-hillary.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
   <img src="http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hillary-clinton1.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
   <img src="http://thehive.modbee.com/files/images/Hillary%20Clinton.bmp" alt=" - " />

[sonickteam2]

<img src="http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/obamamania.jpg" alt=" - " />

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I suppose the enthusiasm that JFK and Bobby Kennedy generated was really, really creepy as well?

[sonickteam2]

<img src="http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/02/yeswecanz-thumb.jpg" alt=" - " />

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  I suppose the enthusiasm that JFK and Bobby Kennedy generated was really, really creepy as well?

i'm not going to arague American History with an american, lol.  but pls dont compare Obama to JFK , for the sake of my fathers side of the family from New England  

[godsshoeshine]

hes not comparing jfk to obama, hes comparing the reaction of the people

[manimtired]

Originally posted by Erinaceous Sonickus:
   <img src="http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/02/yeswecanz-thumb.jpg" alt=" - " />

LOLZ

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Has McCain given us a well defined agenda yet?
 
 I thought Obama's agenda seemed fairly well defined, at least in that link that someone (Vansmack I think) posted awhile ago.
 
 
 

Originally posted by bearman:
  I have to admit that I'm with Sonic on this one. Hillary made mistakes on the campaign. A lot of them. And there was surely an arrogance factor with Bill. But the thing that I respect about Hillary is that she had a more defined view of what she would do if she took office, and the arrogance there was the assumption that she would be able to get it.
 
 Obama is going to be like the dog that caught the car, assuming he can get there. He's smart, he speaks well, but he's also advocating change (which we do need). But I still don't think that he is giving us the well-defined agenda yet. I hope that changes. Hillary's evils were known...and I would have been more content with those than Obama's unknowns, of which I am afraid there are many. And the way the political climate is, there are a LOT of Republicans that cannot stand McCain, and I think Hillary would have been a less bitter pill to swallow. Even though a lot of folks hate her, I think Obama will have a tougher shot. Of course it's only June and a lot can happen in the next four months.

[manimtired]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Has McCain given us a well defined agenda yet?
 
 I thought Obama's agenda seemed fairly well defined, at least in that link that someone (Vansmack I think) posted awhile ago.
 
 
   

Originally posted by bearman:
  I have to admit that I'm with Sonic on this one. Hillary made mistakes on the campaign. A lot of them. And there was surely an arrogance factor with Bill. But the thing that I respect about Hillary is that she had a more defined view of what she would do if she took office, and the arrogance there was the assumption that she would be able to get it.
 
 Obama is going to be like the dog that caught the car, assuming he can get there. He's smart, he speaks well, but he's also advocating change (which we do need). But I still don't think that he is giving us the well-defined agenda yet. I hope that changes. Hillary's evils were known...and I would have been more content with those than Obama's unknowns, of which I am afraid there are many. And the way the political climate is, there are a LOT of Republicans that cannot stand McCain, and I think Hillary would have been a less bitter pill to swallow. Even though a lot of folks hate her, I think Obama will have a tougher shot. Of course it's only June and a lot can happen in the next four months.

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do you think people are going to care that he attended a racist church for 20 years when it comes time to vote?