Drive By Truckers: Roll Call

[ggw]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by ggw:
  So it's "herd mentality" when people like a band that you don't, but not when they like a band that you do?

Don't you have some packing to do, or something?    [/b]

I have time enough to get some last minute jabs in.
 
 Do you or Fat Boy Slim have any "must-do" hikes for the Grand Canyon?

[Celeste]

Looks like your dictionary left a little bit out...dictionary.com has two other than the one you mentioned...
 
 red·neck
 n. Offensive Slang
 
 Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
 
 A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.
 
 redneck
 
 n : a poor white person in the southern US [syn: cracker]

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by Celeste:
 redneck
 
 n : a poor white person in the southern US [syn: cracker] [/QB]

that sounds like most of my mom's family, who, coincidentially enough, also live in northern alabama.

[Celeste]

Originally posted by ggw:
 any "must-do" hikes for the Grand Canyon?

we did only PART of the South Kaibab trail for a long day hike and did our overnight hikes on the Bright Angel trail going down to the bottom of the canyon...if I was to go again, I'd try the South Kaibab all the way down (I think it's harder) since you're a smoker and all, you better stick to easier ones and bring more water than you think you'd want or need...it is really awesome to hike down to the bottom on the Bright Angel (very user-friendly, but could be a physical challenge for some) and then just hang out in the deliciously cool creek all day...
 
 have fun and make sure you wear sunscreen on your neck so it doesn't get too red!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

http://www.nps.gov/grca/backcountry/corridor_hikes.htm
 
    Here are some suggested Grand Canyon itineraries. What we did is not listed as an option but what we did was:
 
    1. Did a day hike on the South Kaibab trail. We went well further than what was recommended, and paid for it coming back up. This trail is very hot and unshaded, especially in the middle of the day. Perhaps had some of the best views of all though.
 
    2. Came back a couple of days later and backpacked the Bright Angel Trail. Hikes all the way down to Bright Angel Campground day 1, where it was around 115 degrees. Was so hot the only thing we could really do was lay in the creek for hours at a time. Day 2 we hiked back up to Indian Gardens, but didn't start hiking until late afternoon, as advised by the ranger (the other option was to get up at 4:30 am and start hiking) Night 2 was spent at Indian Gardens, where we were both stung by a scorpion. We started hiking as soon as their was light, and hiked the rest of the way out, numb where we had been stung.
 
 
 

Originally posted by ggw:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by ggw:
  So it's "herd mentality" when people like a band that you don't, but not when they like a band that you do?

Don't you have some packing to do, or something?       [/b]

I have time enough to get some last minute jabs in.
 
 Do you or Fat Boy Slim have any "must-do" hikes for the Grand Canyon? [/b]

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I don't know how keen I'd be to hike the whole South Kaibab trail in a day, unless getting a very very early start. I surely wouldn't want to hike all the way up it from the Bright Angel Campground in a day.
 
 

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by ggw:
 any "must-do" hikes for the Grand Canyon?

we did only PART of the South Kaibab trail for a long day hike and did our overnight hikes on the Bright Angel trail going down to the bottom of the canyon...if I was to go again, I'd try the South Kaibab all the way down (I think it's harder) since you're a smoker and all, you better stick to easier ones and bring more water than you think you'd want or need...it is really awesome to hike down to the bottom on the Bright Angel (very user-friendly, but could be a physical challenge for some) and then just hang out in the deliciously cool creek all day...
 
 have fun and make sure you wear sunscreen on your neck so it doesn't get too red! [/b]

[Celeste]

right you are...these wouldn't be day hikes

[grotty]

Originally posted by Celeste:
  Looks like your dictionary left a little bit out...dictionary.com has two other than the one you mentioned...
 
 red·neck
 n. Offensive Slang
 
 Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
 
 A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.
 
 redneck
 
 n : a poor white person in the southern US [syn: cracker]

Your dictionary ironically contains the EXACT same definition as mine...I'm still not convinced that being a red-neck is a good thing.
 
 And I still have no idea what you meant by:
 
 "herein lies the problem...what's so wrong with 'red-necks'..."

[Celeste]

yes, but you conveniently left out two definitions with other nuances, choosing only to focus on the "provincial" thinking and perceived "bigotry"

[grotty]

Originally posted by Celeste:
  yes, but you conveniently left out two definitions with other nuances, choosing only to focus on the "provincial" thinking and perceived "bigotry"

Nothing convenient about it...it's the dictionary definition that most closely aligns with my usage of the word in my post. It is obviously a complex word that has different meanings to different people. I'm just glad to know that the DBT do not fit any.
 
 I'm still interested in the "problem" you alluded to...

[mankie]

Wasn't redneck originally used to describe a man who worked outside for a living....a farm hand for example. The 'redneck' is because they got a 'red neck' from being out in the sun all day. It later became used to describe what we think of as a redneck today....the skoal chewing, black, jew and homosexual hating, NASCAR watching, country (alt or other) listening, pickup truck driving, Jack Daniels t-shirt and baseball hat wearing, uneducated bigot!
 
 Maybe I'm wrong because I'm just a stupid foreigner so what do I know.

[grotty]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Wasn't redneck originally used to describe a man who worked outside for a living....a farm hand for example. The 'redneck' is because they got a 'red neck' from being out in the sun all day. It later became used to describe what we think of as a redneck today....the skoal chewing, black, jew and homosexual hating, NASCAR watching, country (alt or other) listening, pickup truck driving, Jack Daniels t-shirt and baseball hat wearing, uneducated bigot!
 
 Maybe I'm wrong because I'm just a stupid foreigner so what do I know.

Compare your definition to the dictionary defs offered above. They are right on...albeit, yours is a little more "eloquent".

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I don't know how keen I'd be to hike the whole South Kaibab trail in a day, unless getting a very very early start. I surely wouldn't want to hike all the way up it from the Bright Angel Campground in a day.
 
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by ggw:
 any "must-do" hikes for the Grand Canyon?

we did only PART of the South Kaibab trail for a long day hike and did our overnight hikes on the Bright Angel trail going down to the bottom of the canyon...if I was to go again, I'd try the South Kaibab all the way down (I think it's harder) since you're a smoker and all, you better stick to easier ones and bring more water than you think you'd want or need...it is really awesome to hike down to the bottom on the Bright Angel (very user-friendly, but could be a physical challenge for some) and then just hang out in the deliciously cool creek all day...
 
 have fun and make sure you wear sunscreen on your neck so it doesn't get too red! [/b]

[/b]

Thanks.  I'll let you know what we end up doing.

[mankie]

Originally posted by grotty:
 

 Compare your definition to the dictionary defs offered above. They are right on...albeit, yours is a little more "eloquent".
 
 [/b]

I always was the wordsmith!    
 
 I was just making the point/asking the question that "redneck" did not start out as a negative connotation.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Well now that we have defined what a redneck is, what is a racist?
 
    Is a person who has friends of varying races but who would prefer that their child not date people of a different race a racist?
 
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by grotty:
 

 Compare your definition to the dictionary defs offered above. They are right on...albeit, yours is a little more "eloquent".
 
 [/b]

I always was the wordsmith!      
 
 I was just making the point/asking the question that "redneck" did not start out as a negative connotation. [/b]