MLB Playoffs

[ratioci nation]

should really be the Steinbrenner/John Henry era
 
 or maybe after the upcoming offseason, the Steinbrenner/Henry/Moreno era
 
 but yes, much joy should be taken in the Yankees losing when trying to buy championships

[terry]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Graace:
  I hate it when people are happy when the Yankees lose.  

Sorry, but it appears by that statement that you did not have to suffer through the late 90's with Yankee fans.  They were the least gracious winners, therefore I will have no sympathy for them as losers.[/b]

Oh I don't know. As a lifelong, devoted Yankee fan (and the ones I know) we've been pretty gracious about any successes (and BTW, losses--there have been some oozies and we have heard about it, trust me!) We know the deal. Big Market-Big $-Big Team. I've basically learned to celebrate silently when they've won. Perhaps you've bumped into some fickle Yankee fans that only like them when they win.
 
 All that being said, Steinny certainly hasn't helped their PR over the years. But Joe Torre and team are a crew to be admired. As for the Steinbrenner/Martin/Jackson era of the '70s? Well, that's a totally different story.

[sonickteam2]

I have two points to make.  
 
 
 1. I am not sure why Torre and crew are "to be admired".  Admired for what exactly? First of all, only like 4 of those 90's Yankees are even on the team now.  and for as good as they all are individually, they should be winning World Series' not just the damn division.  I dont see why i should admire the all-star Yankees losing to the Tigers, Angels, Red Sox, Marlins, D-backs.
 
 2.  I want to take the time, but perhaps someone else has to diagram where the Red Sox and Yankees have gotten each of their players and where they went after their stay on each team. I am assuming we have had a LOT more players come through the Sox system than the Yanks (i know of a few) and a lot of the ones who didnt, we got through smart trading. Who did the Yanks trade for Mussina? Johnson? Giambi? sheffield? Damon? Cano? Matsui?  i dont think anyone, and even A-Rod and Abreu were basically complete rip-offs due to another team wanting out of a salary.  The red sox dont do this nearly as often.  And how many players can you think of that were great on the Yankees and then went to another team?  I can think of any (kenny lofton doesnt count). but the sox dont have 3/4 of their champ. team from 2 years ago!  Certainly if they were "buying" championships they wouldn't lose guys to free agency.
 
 compare salaries with the Yankees and mets and angels and red sox all you want, but paying guys a lot and hording all stars are two very different things and the Yankees stand alone there.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by le sonick:
 
 compare salaries with the Yankees ... and angels  

I just love being part of the conversation...

[terry]

Originally posted by le sonick:
 
 1. I am not sure why Torre and crew are "to be admired".  Admired for what exactly? First of all, only like 4 of those 90's Yankees are even on the team now.  and for as good as they all are individually, they should be winning World Series' not just the damn division.  I dont see why i should admire the all-star Yankees losing to the Tigers, Angels, Red Sox, Marlins, D-backs.
 

Perhaps "admired" wasn't the proper word. I was just commenting on his personal style of coaching and contrasting it to the Yankees of the '70s and say, Billy Martin who was understandly a lightening rod to both Yankee fans and non-fans.

[kookiemnstr8]

Torre pulled the Yankees out of their absolutely terrible mid eighties-early nineties period.  He did a lot to rebuild the organization and reestablish a "dynasty" if you will.  I agree that we should have been winning multiple world series in the past six years with our lineup, and he hasn't done much in that department, but he did serve a purpose.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Graace:
  Torre pulled the Yankees out of their absolutely terrible mid eighties-early nineties period.  He did a lot to rebuild the organization and reestablish a "dynasty" if you will.  I agree that we should have been winning multiple world series in the past six years with our lineup, and he hasn't done much in that department, but he did serve a purpose.

but wouldnt you agree that purpose may be served and maybe its time to move on.
 
   I dont think anyone's saying that Torre's a bad coach, but what the Yankees are doing now isnt working, so its time to make some changes.
   
  Personally, as a sox fan, i'd like them to keep Torre and A-Rod and everyone else and keep NOT winning the World Series. This may be a turning point for the Yankees. or maybe the rest of the world is catching up!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Nirvana and Pearl Jam pulled us out of the mid eighties- 90ish hair metal era as well. But their time has come and gone.
 
 

Originally posted by Graace:
  Torre pulled the Yankees out of their absolutely terrible mid eighties-early nineties period.  He did a lot to rebuild the organization and reestablish a "dynasty" if you will.  I agree that we should have been winning multiple world series in the past six years with our lineup, and he hasn't done much in that department, but he did serve a purpose.

[ratioci nation]

Was Torre a good manager when he was with the Cardinals or the Braves? sure didnt seem like it, having lots of stars on the team seems to help managers look good

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  Was Torre a good manager when he was with the Cardinals or the Braves? sure didnt seem like it, having lots of stars on the team seems to help managers look good

never even won 90 games as a manager anywhere else. or the divison i dont think.  
 
   good point!

[vansmack]

MLB.com is reporting that Torre is staying as manager.
 
 Look for him to retire later on.  It's likely a face saving move.

[ratioci nation]

Torre Games/Winning Percentage as manager
 
 Atlanta 486/.529
 NewYorkMets 709/.405
 NewYorkYankees 1780/.607
 St.Louis 706/.498
 
 he won the division in 1982 with the braves, thats it other than with the yankees

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  MLB.com is reporting that Torre is staying as manager.
 
 Look for him to retire later on.  It's likely a face saving move.

that or a nosejob!

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  cards vs twins, now back to my kool aid

I have never been happier to be half right, that is some sweet sweet kool aid.  Now to get swept by the tigers!!!  <img src="http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1019/mlb_g_molina_412.jpg" alt=" - " />

[ratioci nation]

woooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
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