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brennser

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File Sharing
« on: July 27, 2005, 10:00:00 am »
been a while since we had a file sharing fight
 
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1536822,00.html?gusrc=rss

RatBastard

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2005, 12:31:00 pm »
Still doesn't justify theft.  Thats my opinion.  I always found it to be laughable that many who choose to steal software/music/movies use the excuse that they can't afford to buy it.  Following that (il)logic, I should be able to go to the local Jag dealer and just take whichever car I want.   :)
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godsshoeshine

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2005, 12:35:00 pm »
well, you could also draw the comparison that its like buying a jag and not being able to let your friends drive it  :)
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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2005, 12:59:00 pm »
wooohoooo
 
  i love this conversation!

RatBastard

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2005, 01:02:00 pm »
You could and it would be just as (il)logical.
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ggw

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 01:03:00 pm »
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Computer-literate music fans who illegally share tracks over the internet also spend four and a half times as much on digital music as those who do not.
This doesn't really say much in the way of justifying file-sharing.
 
 It does point out (and the article notes this) that people who share music are a valuable demographic for digital music sales.  But it doesn't make any sort of case that file-sharing led them to purchase more music.  It is entirely possible that if file-sharing didn't exist this same group would be buying 10 or 15 times as much music as the other group.
 
   
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The survey confirms what many music fans have informally insisted for some time: that downloading tracks illegally has also led them to become more enthusiastic buyers of singles and albums online.
It does not confirm this.  There is really no way of knowing how much digital music they would buy if they couldn't file-share.
 
 Moreover, one would expect that "computer-literate" people would buy more digital music.  The article doesn't really make clear whether this group buys more digital music than people who are computer literate and don't file-share or more than people who are not computer-literate.  If it is the former, it can easily be explained that the other computer-literate group may not be music fans.  If it is the latter, then it is simply a matter of being comfortable with technology.
 
 Also, since it is only talking about digital music, we don't know how much non-digital music the non-file-sharing group is purchasing.  It could be 30x as much.

godsshoeshine

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 01:19:00 pm »
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
  You could and it would be just as (il)logical.
exactly my point
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sonickteam2

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2005, 01:19:00 pm »
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
  You could and it would be just as (il)logical.
but the real question is... who cares?

Guiny

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2005, 02:49:00 pm »
Not me.

RatBastard

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2005, 04:32:00 pm »
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
   
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
  You could and it would be just as (il)logical.
exactly my point [/b]
Just as (il)logical as the "justification" for the theft of the music in the first place.  So now you agree with those of us who are on the right side of this issue!   :)
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godsshoeshine

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2005, 04:34:00 pm »
no, i was arguing that your metaphor was not apt
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RatBastard

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2005, 04:44:00 pm »
As was I which I just pointed out.  If you can justify stealing one thing because you cant afford it then you can justify stealing anything for the same reason.  Bottom line its theft and there is nothing anyone can say that changes that.  Whether one decides to ignore that fact and continue to steal (and call it sharing since that sounds nicer) is up to that individual.
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godsshoeshine

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2005, 04:56:00 pm »
so you...agree that stealing a jag and downloading music are not comparable? i'm confused
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ggw

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2005, 04:58:00 pm »
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
 so you...agree that stealing a jag and downloading music are not comparable?
Taking something without paying for it is stealing, right?

godsshoeshine

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Re: File Sharing
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2005, 05:02:00 pm »
i was arguing that the products are not similar because i can do whatever i want with a jag when i buy it, but not with a cd. therefore, the metaphore is not apt. that's all. i didn't understand ratbastard's post
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