voices to make a nation cry

[sweetcell]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  great source

newsflash: RS has some excellent political writers.  as one of the commentators noted, "Sorry, but this is news. You may not like the conclusions but it is consistent with McCain's inconsistency. Don't expect individual writers to provide you with a CrossFire style point, counter point. This article is well researched, and does include the opinions of others (with comparable credential to McCain and plenty of expertise on what they are discussing).

[manimtired]

mmmm-k

[walkonby]

old man shows class toward the guy who is going to win.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak

[manimtired]

getting closer
 
 http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575
 
 waiting for 703guy to call this poll a lie...
 
 
 wait for it.....

[godsshoeshine]

i dont really believe the polls but at least show the map if youre making that point

[walkonby]

do people on here who push poll numbers, take part in these polls?  do they really show an exact makeup of the entire country?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

They don't capture any of the cell phone only market. Or the don't have a phone market.
 
 

Originally posted by walkonby:
  do people on here who push poll numbers, take part in these polls?  do they really show an exact makeup of the entire country?

[godsshoeshine]

or the dont answer unknown name/unknown number market
 
 and the bradley effect, assuming that really exists
 
 i have participated in a poll within the last month

[kosmo vinyl]

You mean like the one over at fivethirtyeight.com?
 
     <img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SOugCWrfwlI/AAAAAAAAAOs/mhVBap_T4Ts/S1600-R/1007_bigmap.png" alt=" - " />  
 
 The guy behind this site was Colbert Report last night which in it's entirety one of the shows best.  The "town hall" segment at the beginning was absolutely inspired.
 
 http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=187363
 
 And according to the fact checkers on NPR, McCain is spewing utter nonsense about any fine on business not providing health care in Obama's health care plan.  In general McCain spewed nonsense all night and came off as a arrogant, out of touch old man.

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  getting closer
 
  http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575
 
 waiting for 703guy to call this poll a lie...
 
 
 wait for it.....

I'm not going to call it a lie - and your last post WAS misleading.  To say that the last Zogby poll reflected a tightening of the race is simply wrong, given that the previous Zogby poll had a closer race.  This poll would imply that it is slightly closer today than yesterday - but again, you're dealing with four total data points, instead of looking at polling across the board.  
 
 You want a clearer picture of what's happening?  Look at the state polls and look at the national averages.  This race is not getting closer, and the debate last night did not change that.

[sweetcell]

McCain: Obama 'not presidential'
 The latest John McCain ad says Barack Obama is "not presidential" and accuses "folks" of lying.
 
 excellent ad.  totally getting to the issues, once again   :roll:    this ad is as confused as mccain's talking style.  it's all over the place, unfocused, and doesn't back what it is saying... when not lying.  good work there, GOP.  this is the type of stuff that turns a campaign around.

[manimtired]

lying?  do you think obama is lying when he says "thats not the "racist pastor/domestic terrorist" i knew"...
 
 dont get all huffy..but do you really think he is telling the truth when he says that?

[sweetcell]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  lying?  do you think obama is lying when he says "thats not the "racist pastor/domestic terrorist" i knew"...
 
 dont get all huffy..but do you really think he is telling the truth when he says that?

again, changing the subject... i was talking about mccain's lying, and your immediate reply is "yeah, well, obama lies too!".  great defense - so you admit that mccain lies?
 
 and yes, i believe obama when he says that the person he worked with on community projects isn't the same man, in terms of beliefs and character, as the one who was part of these organizations in the 1960's.

[manimtired]

then you are an idiot.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by sweetcell:
  McCain: Obama 'not presidential'
 The latest John McCain ad says Barack Obama is "not presidential" and accuses "folks" of lying.
 
 excellent ad.  totally getting to the issues, once again    :roll:     this ad is as confused as mccain's talking style.  it's all over the place, unfocused, and doesn't back what it is saying... when not lying.  good work there, GOP.  this is the type of stuff that turns a campaign around.

lets see John F. Kennedy served six years as a Congressmen and four years as a Senator... Would he be considered not "presidential" by today's standards?