I agree that both shows were great. Yet, never having seen them with Pete, I can't help but wonder how much better it might have been with him. He had talent, great charisma, and he and Carl worked beautifully together back in the day, feeding off each others energy. Notice the past tense of course. He's a complete mess now, and just loves the attention from being the UK's favorite junkie. There was a certain shambolic nature to the Libs from the get go, which was great, a little unsteadiness can go long way towards creating a very dynamic and exciting young band all the more wonderful....but I cannot approve of the depths to which Pete has sunk, it's not rock and roll anymore, it's just stupidity.