Author Topic: Let's get this guy on the board!  (Read 9999 times)

es9450a

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2004, 11:12:00 am »
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
  ""Quote""I missed the beginning, so I can't tell you what group of soldiers it was, but they posted pictures of each soldiered who'd been killed, one after the other with their age, rank and hometown. It was awful and moving -- all those lives are worth the same.""Unquote""
 
 
 That's how I feel about the hate crimes law bullshit.....why does some maggot get a tougher punishment for killing a gay, black, asian, white etc. than for killing their ex, g/f, b/f, co-worker etc? Is the life of a gay or black etc, more valued than the rest so the punishment is greater? Can someone please explain that logic to me?
I think the point is more along the lines of, he assaulted a black person specifically BECAUSE he was black, or assaulted a gay person specifically BECAUSE he was gay.  I'm not really of the opinion that having hate-crime laws will actually lower hate at all, though.  However, in certain cases (say, murder in the heat of passion), when parole comes up I think they should consider the fact that it was a hate crime when they look at the ways he has reformed himself

mankie

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2004, 11:14:00 am »
Quote
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
  Mank, I think the hate crimes issues is about the crimes being more incendiary and instigating further violence.  Just a supposition on my part, and I'm not sure where I stand on it.  But, I think that's the reasoning -- a lynching is intended not just to kill a particular person, but to incite further violence and killing against an entire group regardless of any personal particulars.  And for some reason, folks are always more scared by random killing (as I think it shakes up their world view and comfort levels).
Maybe I'm being too black and white on the issue (no pun intended) but I don't think anyone kills another because they like them....it's usually because they 'hate' them, or if they're messed up in the head, love them and confuse that with hate, because it is a thin line after all.  ;)  
 
 Where would the Columbine shootings fit in? That was random so would come under the hate crime clause...right? How about postal workers?

vansmack

  • Member
  • Posts: 19725
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2004, 11:44:00 am »
A little publicity and the author relents:
 
 ------------------------------------
 
 Thursday, April 29, 2004
 Gonzalez says column 'not worth publishing'
 
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Associated Press
 
 AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts at Amherst graduate student has apologized to Pat Tillman's family.
 
 Rene Gonzalez wrote a column for the campus paper saying the football player-turned-soldier who died in combat in Afghanistan wasn't a hero -- but rather a "G.I. Joe guy who got what was coming to him."
 
 Gonzalez did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages left Thursday by The Associated Press, but in an e-mail to Boston's WBZ-TV, he apologized to the Tillman family "for all the pain that my article has brought them."
 
 Gonzalez said he was trying to convey that Tillman's celebrity came into play when the former Arizona Cardinals player was labeled a hero.
 
 "I felt that his celebrity had been a factor in American society calling him a 'hero,' and I felt American society had arrived at that conclusion without much thinking, but rather as some sort of patriotic 'knee-jerk' into hero worship," he wrote. "That was my point. I did it [admittedly] in such an insensitive way, that the article was not worth publishing."
 
 UMass president Jack Wilson issued a statement saying the comments in The Daily Collegian on Wednesday were "a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country."
 
 The newspaper's editorial board ran a letter to readers in Thursday's edition saying Gonzalez's views do not reflect The Collegian's opinion.
27>34

Guiny

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2004, 12:36:00 pm »
Ok, now its my turn to speak. All's i have to say is that i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez so i could beat the living shit out of that little twat. Actually, i wouldnt need five minutes, one minute will be enough time. I'll go Rambo on his dumbass. I don't know Pat Tilman but i respect what he did along with all the other Coalition soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq/Afghanistan. I still believe like in many other countries that every one should do a two year stint in the military after high school so they can appreciate what these people go through and you finally do something for your country and not just sit back behind a desk critisizing everything. Yeah, i know you pay taxes, but so dont military personnel. Ok, i'm done, maybe a little carried away, but i really hate it when people diss military folk, having been one of course.

mankie

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2004, 12:46:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  all the other Coalition soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq/Afghanistan.  
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
 
 Military folk are like firefighters and cops...everyone seems to look down on them till they need them. And that's coming from a fellow ex-military.

vansmack

  • Member
  • Posts: 19725
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2004, 12:49:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
  err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there.
27>34

mankie

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2004, 12:59:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by vansmack:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
  err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there. [/b]
They're just the landscaping crew~!
   :D

markie

  • Member
  • Posts: 13178
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2004, 01:24:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
   i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez  
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom  of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
 
 In which case that would make you very silly.

mankie

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2004, 01:56:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by mark e smith:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
   i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez  
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom  of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
 
 In which case that would make you very silly. [/b]
Maybe he went so he could kill people...in which case, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! As our dictator said, what? a year ago......

Bags

  • Member
  • Posts: 8545
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2004, 01:58:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
   
Quote
Originally posted by vansmack:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
  err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there. [/b]
They're just the landscaping crew~!
    :D  [/b]
That was way more funny than it should of been!    :D

ratioci nation

  • Member
  • Posts: 4463
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2004, 01:59:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
   As our dictator said, what? a year ago......
year ago tomorrow

es9450a

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2004, 02:00:00 pm »
Considering the show at the 930 tonight, I think now is the appropriate time to post a PLEA FOR PEACE.
 
 But um, who's going tonight?  I want to see Cursive again, as I saw them in Septbember at the Negro Feline but had to leave early.  Looks like I'll be going alone, so if anyone wants to talk politics in between bands, look for the chubby-faced 19 year old in the Mets cap.

Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2004, 02:37:00 pm »
Wel that narrows it right down...
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by es9450a:
   look for the chubby-faced 19 year old in the Mets cap.

Guiny

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2004, 02:42:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by mark e smith:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
   i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez  
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom  of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
 
 In which case that would make you very silly. [/b]
And it gives me the freedom to kick his ass.

  • Guest
Re: Let's get this guy on the board!
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2004, 03:54:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by Bollocks:
  err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
 
Don't forget the sausage squad!
 
   <img src="http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Poland/gromnaszywka.jpg" alt=" - " />
  STREET THUNDER!