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So long, Maz
« on: August 04, 2005, 02:50:00 pm »
Orioles fire Mazzilli
 Manager dismissed after team loses 16 of last 18; Bench coach Perlozzo takes over on an interim basis; Club is 10 1/2 games behind Boston in AL East
 By Roch Kubatko
 Sun Staff
 Originally published August 4, 2005, 1:55 PM EDT
 ANAHEIM, Calif. -- With the Orioles having lost 16 of their last 18 games, manager Lee Mazzilli was fired this morning and replaced on an interim basis by bench coach Sam Perlozzo.
 
 Mazzilli was hired before the 2004 season to replace Mike Hargrove. He went 129-140 in his first stint as a major league manager, including 51-56 this year.
 
 
  The Orioles are 4-16 since the All-Star break and have fallen 10 1/2 games behind the Boston Red Sox in the AL East. They spent 62 straight days in first place, but currently are in fourth. They're closer to last place than first.
 
 This is the first time majority owner Peter Angelos has fired a manager during the season.
 
 Perlozzo, 54, has never has managed in the majors. But he was runner-up to Mazzilli during the most recent search. Perlozzo is in his 10th season with the Orioles, after spending his first five seasons as third base coach before moving into the role of bench coach in 2001.

vansmack

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 03:15:00 pm »
The Angels do that to managers.
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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 03:20:00 pm »
Oh damn, I thought that said So long, Mraz...as in Jason Mraz.  Now THAT would be good news.

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2005, 01:56:00 am »
I always hate the practice of blaming team's performance on managers.  He wasn't warm and fuzzy, but you could see the writing on the wall months ago when his extension wasn't picked up for next year, nevertheless even mentioned.

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2005, 02:46:00 am »
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  I always hate the practice of blaming team's performance on managers.  He wasn't warm and fuzzy, but you could see the writing on the wall months ago when his extension wasn't picked up for next year, nevertheless even mentioned.
90% of the time, it's the GM that's put together a crappy team. But how often is anyone ever gonna admit that they suck at their job when there's someone else you can blame and fire? The manager usually takes the fall because the GM is more interested in saving his own ass than doing what may be best for the team.

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 12:24:00 am »
I don't know the exact reason Maz was fired (my last name isn't Flanagan or Beattie), but, in the past month when the offense was struggling, he seemed to just hold out hope that it would wake up. No stolen bases, no hit and runs, just base to base managing, which means none. He deserved to be fired. But, if you get brought in to do a job, BUT you have the same staff that the last guy had, with no choice about the matter, do you really (from the owners' standpoint), can you really expect a radical change in philosophy? Probably not. Later Maz, go back to New York, us Baltimoreans never liked you anyway....

hitman

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 01:14:00 am »
That philosophy is what insures O's fans will never have a winner.  That along with the fact that people would rather believe that type of decision-making rather than blame the damn owner.  Those two reasons above are the cornerstones of why Baltimore will have to wait many more years for another World Series appearance, let alone championship.  
 
 I guess you would want Cal Ripken as mgr.  You know that guy that stifled team performance and offense for years because he wouldn't move over and let the others give it a shot.

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 11:40:00 am »
Cal as amanager? Absolutly not.

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 08:19:00 am »
washingtonpost.com
 
 Perlozzo's Time Has Finally Come
 
 By Thomas Boswell
 Friday, August 5, 2005; E01
 
 Long ago in Little League, Sam Perlozzo would be in his uniform at 9 a.m. for a 1 p.m. game. "Then I'd go to the candy store so everybody could see me," Perlozzo said. "I'd take a nickel and spend an hour in that store in my uniform deciding what to buy."
 
 In a sense, Perlozzo has stood in uniform, face pressed to the candy store window, ever since. Now, at 54, in one of those moments of pure baseball justice, Perlozzo is being allowed inside. The candy's all his now. He's manager of the Baltimore Orioles, at least for the last 55 games of this season. Nobody ever deserved a turn at the wheel more than Sam.
 
 The names that Perlozzo has worn on his chest include Reno, Tidewater, Toledo, Little Falls, Lynchburg, Hawaii and Jackson. Once, he was even a Yakult Swallow in Japan. Perlozzo hasn't taken that uniform, which defines him, off his back for the last 28 years. But sometimes, those uniforms haven't returned all the affection he bestowed on them.
 
 After growing up in Cumberland, Md., where he still lives, Perlozzo was a star infielder at George Washington University, graduating in 1973. Nine years in the minors convinced him that the world wasn't designed for 5-foot-9 shortstops with slick gloves but 12 home runs in 3,230 professional at-bats. At least he got his cup of coffee -- 12 games in the majors, .269 average, zero RBI.
 
 So, he became a lifer. Twenty years ago, it looked as though he was on the career path to being a manager. But it never happened. He never pushed himself or developed a glib act. And he was so valuable in lower jobs that it was hard to promote him. Then two winters ago, he was finally taken seriously for a top job -- by the Orioles. It was yet another symbolic moment for a franchise that has, under Peter Angelos, made the wrong decision on almost everything of importance for the last eight years.
 
 On one hand, the Orioles could pick handsome Lee Mazzilli, the ex-Mets center fielder known as the "Italian Stallion," who was completely unqualified to be a major league manager. But he'd been a first base coach for Joe Torre's Yankees and could spout cliches during a four-hour wow-'em interview about the power of a positive attitude. Ironically, the Orioles' other obvious choice was to pick Perlozzo, perhaps the most demonstrably qualified man in baseball.
 
 Mazzilli had never been a bench coach. Perlozzo had been the Orioles' bench coach for five years. Mazzilli had never been a third base coach, the job that usually precedes bench coach. Perlozzo had been the Orioles' third base coach for five years. Mazzilli had never managed higher than Class AA or won anything. Perlozzo, in five years as a manager in the Mets' chain, had won everything you could name right up through Class AAA -- three league championships in five years, no losing seasons, Baseball America's minor league manager of the year.
 
 Mazzilli had no Orioles roots, no deep ties with the coaching staff he inherited. With the media, he was cordial and dignified, but flavorless. Imagine, a career baseball man devoid of entertaining stories he'd be willing to share. As for original ideas, if he had any, Maz kept them a secret as well. The longer he stayed in the job, the more obvious it became that, after repeating "We have to stay positive" several times, Mazzilli had little to offer as a motivator or clubhouse psychologist.
 
 In contrast, Perlozzo knew the Orioles inside and out after serving 10 of his 18 years as a big league coach in Baltimore. As for tall tales, self-effacingly told, he'd accumulated plenty as a right-hand man to three pennant-winning managers: brainy Davey Johnson, fiery Lou Piniella and mellow Mike Hargrove.
 
 The Orioles, hungry as always for a quick fix, a dramatic move or an "upgrade," saw Mazzilli as a headline-grabbing decision that might prove brilliant. After firing Hargrove, who'd won pennants with the Indians, the Orioles didn't see how a hire with as little charisma as Perlozzo could defend them against the charge: "You fired a proven pro like Hargrove for this guy?"
 
 Of course, flashing a smile with pizzazz wasn't necessary for managers such as Dick Howser, Tom Kelly, Bobby Cox, Jim Leyland, Cito Gaston, Jim Frey or Terry Francona, all of whom did pretty well. Perlozzo is more from their low-key school. Once, when Hargrove left the Orioles for several games, Perlozzo took over. "Your mind is constantly racing," Perlozzo said, modestly. "I thought, 'Where is my bench coach?' But I wasn't there."
 
 So, taking all of this into consideration, the Orioles picked Mazzilli over Perlozzo. Now, 269 games later, they can flip-flop.
 
 Perversely, Perlozzo's own competence made it easier for the Orioles to ignore him. He was such a fine bench coach, handling in-game strategy, while Ray Miller was such a respected pitching coach, that Mazzilli barely had to make any decisions -- unless he chose to -- from first pitch to last. The Orioles knew that Perlozzo would baby-sit Mazzilli in his rookie year, not stab him in the back because that's Sammy's nature. He's a natural sweetheart. Team first. No ego. Hits fungos. Works all hours. Always a sly grin or a friendly welcome.
 
 In all walks of life, the Sam Perlozzos, who are born then return to live in their Cumberlands, who coach for the same team for 10 years and never say, "Why did you pass me over for promotion?" tend to get shortchanged for flashier, newer models.
 
 But this time, if only for the last 55 games of a season, Perlozzo will get to be a major league manager.
 
 The only other first-time manager in baseball history as old as Perlozzo with as low a profile who took over a team on an "interim" basis and then went on to a successful career was Joe Morgan of the Red Sox in 1988 (he was 57 when he assumed the helm and won two division titles). We should take this for what it's worth: Perlozzo finally gets two months inside the candy store.
 
 The Orioles have so many problems you need a running list. Though you can fire Mazzilli, nobody can fire Angelos. So, that one is insoluble. But what do you do when Rafael Palmeiro comes back, cloaked in scandal? Play him? Frisk him? Shun him? Hug him? How do you handle Sidney Ponson, the world's only $7.5-million-a-year, judge-punching, coach-cursing, media-shunning Knight of Aruba with a 6.12 ERA? Shun him? Hug him? Give him his own reality TV show?
 
 Sammy's got his hands full. But you can be sure he'll show up early every day, already in uniform, like a kid at the candy store. In his first game yesterday, the Orioles ended an eight-game losing streak with a clean 4-1 win over the first-place Angels. With the kind of good baseball karma that Perlozzo has built up over a lifetime in the game, who knows what can happen?
 
 The Orioles might even decide to straighten up and win enough games to bring him back next year.
 
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hitman

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Re: So long, Maz
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 02:50:00 am »
Good article.
 
 I never said Perlozzo wasn't good.  Just don't like blaming the manager all the time for a team's performance.  And get tired of the toothless reply of "go back to New York..."
 
 And the Orioles as an organization since EBW owned them, haven't been always kind to homegrown talent, or those with close ties to the team...Ripken Sr., F. Robinson, D. Johnson, Dempsey (when the traded him after winning WS MVP, and didn't bring him back the first two times he wanted to coach and/or manage here, then after finally getting him, letting him go again until they recently got him back a couple years ago), etc. etc.