well my little friend secret machines need to seen live to be truly appreciated. the drummer must be a bastard child of john bonham as heavy as one will ever hear. sure their led zeppelin meets pink floyd is a harkins back to ye good olde days. but at least they harkin back 25+ years and not like a barge full of other bands who harkin back to 2001 think that screaming the chorus of ever song they write groundbreaking... the warped and ozzy fest tours have killed punk, etc with all the crappy soundalike bands. the secret machines stand apart for a reason.