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iTunes debate
« on: July 22, 2003, 12:57:00 pm »
I hope it's not bad Board form to post a really long message, but I think this is a fascinating debate and would love to hear from some other music fans (who think about this kind of shit a lot).  I sent out the article to about 10 friends, and got the "democratic" response from a friend in L.A.  I then responded to him.  Thoughts??  - Bags
 
 I start with my initial email and the article from Salon:
 
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 "The Weight of an Album"
 
 I agree wholeheartedly with this article, and it is why the only purchase I've made from iTunes is the Yeah Yeah Yeahs album -- the whole thing.  And I upload full albums into my iTunes.  Sure, over time I'll whiddle some albums down to get rid of the one or two songs I just don't like at all, but rarely.  I really hope that over time we can retain the integrity of the 'album' -- there have been so many joyful discoveries while listening to a new album, track one through 12, experiencing the ups and downs built into the progression of songs.  Without it, the soundtrack of our lives really does boil down to a list of radio hits and singles.  Yuck.   ;)  
 -- Nancy
 
 iTunes -- the "i" doesn't stand for innovation
 As songs are increasingly sold one by one online, the musical creativity and risk-taking associated with the album format will decline.
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 By Sahar Akhtar
 
 June 18, 2003  |  I bought Tool's most recent album, "Lateralus," because I couldn't get the harsh yet slightly ethereal guitar of "Schism" out of my head. The repetition of its play on a hard-rock station, like the repetition of the final guitar segment, had me whipped. After listening to the song over and over, I turned to the other tunes on the album where, I discovered, the real integrity and uniqueness of Tool's artistry resided. In the end, my favorite song on the album, and perhaps the best by any measure, is a track I have never heard on the radio.
 
 Sound familiar? How many times have you bought a band's album for an overplayed song, only to discover that the more gratifying tunes are the ones you've never heard before? But now that iTunes and other online music vendors have finally arrived, don't expect to experience that same epiphany in the future. iTunes is helping to usher in an era where songs are sold individually, thus putting an end to what I call "bundled innovations."
 
 The idea is based on simple economics: To sell any song on hardware -- whether vinyl or CD -- artists and labels have to incur a high one-time, or fixed, cost; but after that, more songs can be added at very low additional, or marginal, costs. To cover those high fixed costs, musicians are encouraged to create prosaic pieces that target as large an audience as possible, but then the low marginal costs for additional songs mean they can take a gamble on other, more original and creative tunes.
 
 Music bundling means that the sure things that are catchy but utterly forgettable, together with the not-so-sure things that can surprise and sometimes nourish our artistic hunger, both end up in the hands of consumers and critics -- who can then sample the latter for free. This exposure of chancy ideas is a great boon to the creative process. But because of the discrete selling and buying of music, digital single by digital single, that iTunes and its kin will foster, we can expect a decline in music bundling, and thus in risk-taking and its shy companion, innovation.
 
 The music biz has been here before: during the brain-dead era of the 45. In the 1950s and early '60s, the 45 was the medium of choice for popular music. The problem, at least for innovation, was that the 45 only allowed up to three minutes of recording on each side. This limitation on space sent the marginal cost of selling music soaring and forced record labels to view the B side as another vehicle for mass-appeal music, and not as a stage on which to experiment. Since there were only two pieces released at a time, B sides were targeted for radio play and for popular consumption in the same way that A sides were. Not surprisingly, most two-sided hits in the Billboards rankings are from before the use of the LP, eight-track, and cassette.
 
 The ultimate in bundled innovations occurred when the main product emphasis shifted from the single to the album, from the 45 to the LP and cassette. This technological shift paralleled the taking off of rock. Once the 45 straitjacket was broken, creativity and bundled innovations blossomed.
 
 Today, armored by the tried and true, musicians can take a crack at the risky in a market where loyalties are shiftier than the Bush administration's stance on Iraq's WMD. For instance, on the B side of their popular singles, Sarah McLachlan and Tori Amos have released songs that are stylistically and thematically unlike the pieces on the full album. (Even though the singles are actually additional cuts on the same "side" of a CD single, they are still referred to, in the business, as B sides).
 
 Many musicians bundle covers of old popular songs with their own pieces to establish themselves. The Red Hot Chili Peppers were resolutely underground until they decided to cover Stevie Wonder's "Higher Ground" and get some MTV airplay. Love and Rockets did the same with The Temptation's "Ball of Confusion." The Rolling Stones' transitional period is characterized by two albums, "Out of Our Heads" and "December's Children." Both contained many popular R&B covers along with their new ideas, which continued to flourish over the next five albums.
 
 With nothing to lose, artists might throw in some junk to see how it stands in the view of consumers and critics. And even if the artist doesn't intend to test an idea, an innovation can emerge from the filler. The Who's Pete Townshend wrote and tied together four three-minute songs on the end of the band's second album essentially just to extend the length of the album. What resulted was a mini-opera, the first "rock opera," titled "A Quick One While He's Away," which, some critics claim, launched the band into recognition.
 
 To take just one platform for popular music, singles are still notoriously one-dimensional -- that is, at least the A sides are. This is because the A side is overwhelmingly targeted for radio and MTV play so that it ranks high on the Billboard Top Charts. Radio programmers might only listen to three or four seconds of a song before liking it or tossing it. So the A side has to have an immediate emotional impact, and its length has to fit the formulaic length of three to four minutes. We all know that popular songs have a standard structure: They don't take long to get the overall feel and direction of a tune established -- usually no more than 10 to 20 seconds -- and then they don't deviate from it.
 
 What it all comes down to is this: For a record to be played and make the rankings, mass appeal and inclusiveness are essential ingredients. "It's a mass-appeal game, not a novelty game," an executive at a major record label conceded to me. This doesn't mean commercial music is all bad -- I confess, I've given in, more than once, to the likes of "Oops I Did It Again." Mainstream hit singles can resonate, they can be fun, and they can just be plain good. But let's not confuse that with risk-taking in art.
 
 "B sides" and the noncommercially oriented tracks that fill out a given album have always been the artistic payoff. Unlike the A sides, the B's can be far more subtle, complex, varied in length, and even irreverent, offensive, or disturbing -- all potential marks of innovation. The Beatles set the standard: After "Rubber Soul," it was clear that Lennon and McCartney were heading down different roads. In a sense, the high fixed costs were incurred for McCartney's innocuous and commercially friendly love ballads on the A sides, while the group was able to be musically daring with Lennon's more avant-garde and experimental compositions.
 
 There's more than just anecdotal evidence that the B side is where creativity lurks. A sides are faithfully more standardized than their counterparts. Out of a sample of 200 popular singles released in the fall of 2000, B sides, sometimes as short as 30 seconds and as long as 22 minutes, were much more varied in length than the A's. Out of another sample of more than 20,000 singles, the number of professional songwriters employed for the A's was higher than 1,200, whereas for B's, fewer than 300 pieces were the work of professionals.
 
 While 1,055 A sides were covers of other artists' hits, only 80 B sides were covers. Songs chosen for covers are usually pretty simple in composition and conceptualization. Thus, songs picked for covers typically have both accessibility and general, but not intense, likability. Also, since covers are remakes, they are obviously more standardized than non-covers.
 
 Even in some of the most hackneyed genres of pop music, bundled innovation has flourished; musicians have attached riskier pieces onto sure-bets to expose and get feedback on their more precarious ideas.
 
 But it won't always be that way: Apple's newly released iTunes allows individual songs to be downloaded, with good-enough sound quality, for a mere 99 cents. This is good for business but bad for music.
 
 While artists and labels may now be worrying less about losing revenue to digital copycats, iTunes is de-bundling music. After the first week of iTunes' implementation, Apple reported that half the total songs purchased were parts of albums, but if you think about it, that's not a big deal. With roughly 12 or more pieces per album, that's a lot fewer albums sold than single songs. NPD Techworld analyst Stephen Baker wasn't surprised that album sales were strong in the beginning -- "When people move to a new format, one of the first things they want to do is get albums from their favorite artists, like the Eagles or Nirvana, in the new format." Since most people's favorite music is stuff that's been around, this won't do anything to foster innovation in new music.
 
 For new music, consumers might still buy some full albums, but it won't match the buying of albums on CD. iTunes makes it too easy and cheap to be selective -- a CD single frequently costs upwards of $4 and more, but an iTunes single costs less than a buck, and there's good reason to think the price will go even lower. Plus only one or two songs from an album are usually sold in the single format, but iTunes lets you buy many, if not all, of the artist's songs separately. Consumers can buy exactly what they want, and no more.
 
 Instead of tunes that were able to dodge the traditional commercially oriented gatekeepers by being attached to other tunes that did follow the rules of the game, each individual iTunes will be subject to the pressures of mass appeal. Consumers will likely purchase songs they know from radio, and thus become subject to the whims of programmers who are governed by commercial, not artistic, interests. iTunes allows a 30-second preview of songs, but we know that some of the best tunes don't even get going in that time. The 30-second preview just reinforces the need for each tune to be catchy and pleasing right up front.
 
 Consumers of iTunes won't be able to sample for free other full pieces by the musician, and so will bypass the chief passage to the musician's more remote work. And in turn, with the growing popularity of iTunes, producers of music will be inhibited from taking musical risks since each piece will need to stand alone.
 
 For now, this digital option and others like it complement the hardware world of CDs, with many consumers still buying CDs; but as online music sales grow, the sale of CDs will continue to decline, and digital music will come to reign supreme. When this happens, we can expect very little bundled innovation -- making the artistry of bands like the Beatles, the Doors and Tool potentially a thing of the past.
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 "The Weight of an Album - the Democratic Response"
 
 I'm sorry folks, but I have to weigh in here: the sky is not falling and iTunes is NOT killing the album.
 
 The record industry did that.
 
 Having now officially received a paycheck from a
 rather large record company I DON'T claim to be any kind of authority, but I have been watching.
 
 First off: this article completely downplays the
 importance 45s had and diminishes the period they
 influential: the author calls the period 'brain dead' but then goes on to expound upon the virtues of the B side... which is it? 45s were useless or they were vehicles for creativity.  I would argue that singles were important until recently and still are in Europe and other countries (hell, in high school I bought a lot of singles.. 12 inchers).
 
 Second: artist have been putting out crappy albums that were just a hit followed by so much filler for so long you have to expect that folks are a tad gunshy.  We've all taken a chance on an album only to be burned in this way.  This has gone a long way towards diminishing the album as a format.
 
 Third: ClearChannel, MTV & the media behemouth.
 sorry, but they pick the hits.  you hear what they
 want you to hear.  there is little or no room for
 creativity there.  MTV has decided 6 months out  who & what will be relevant and who they'll be supporting.
 
 Fourth: the sad fact of the matter, my little 30-Somethings, is that we are NOT the target demographic.  Sure we have money, or did until  George W. came to power, but that doesn't matter: we aren't who buys albums.  The 'tweens' & teens are.  Do you that MTV's target demographic is the 12/13 year old boy?  true.
 
 and guess what?  these kids STEAL music.  you have a generation of kids that have been taught that if it is online, it's free.  It isn't.  
 
 Don't get me wrong, I rapped & pillaged my way across Napster downloading every single old song I could think of from albums I didn't want ('Happy Birthday' by Altered Images, 'Love Kills' from the Sid & Nancy soundtrack, etc.,) but, ultimately, this was stealing.
 
 My buddy is in a big, money making band and they
 were told by their management that they probably lost MILLIONS because of online trading.  
 
 I feel guilty (damn catholicism!)
 
 (remember: artists don't have to join iTunes and many aren't.  but artists like the Beatles, who still sell a bazillion records, don't feel they need to and are always slow to embrace change... though I have it on good authority they are exploring their own online system)
 
 So what are we good for my friends?  shelling out $150 buck for reunion tour tickets.  Our bands aren't making money off albums anymore: they're making it off tours.
 
 Fifth: the only thing that stays the same is change.  the online thing was here, something had to be done to alter the behavior and provide a legal alternative.  iTunes does this and it does it amazingly well.  listne to 30 seconds of EVERY song and download as many as you like.  Now, if you're any sort of music consumer beyond the radio hit of the month this will probably make you listen CLOSER to the other stuff available: if they've got one, maybe they've got others.  sometimes they do and sometimes they don't and this is the way it has always been and always will
 be.
 
 there was NO golden age of the album: we only remember the great works, but for every one of them there were a bazillion shitty albums that have faded away into obscurity... some of which were by good bands.
 
 back to iTunes: I love it and I cherry pick.  why?
 because if I want the album, I'm going to go and buy the damn thing.  I desperately want the Adventures of the Style Council and sure I could download the whole thing, but I am an "in for a penny, in for a pound" sort of guy and would just prefer to buy they bloody album at that point.
 
 hell, I buy the exclusive tracks off iTunes!  otherwise I might not hear them (since the 45 is supposedly dead...? the logic in this article is, again, a little screwy).  'Can't get you out of my Head' the Kylie Minogue cover by the Flaming Lips was the first song I bought.
 
 No, this article has it wrong.  iTunes isn't  killing music: it's showing the way.
 
 rock & roll.
 
 r.
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 "The Weight of an Album - the 30-Something Response"
 
 Okay, I'll give you that I come at this from the standpoint of an album purchaser.  I purchase a *lot* of albums now that I'm in my mid-30s (and, so oddly, no longer in the desired demographic despite my disposable income).  But even back in the day of ramen noodles and the search for free happy hour food, I still bought albums -- maybe not five or six at a time, but I did.  My response to 'changes' like that discussed in the iTumes article comes filtered through the heart and soul of a big, big music fan, so it's necessarily skewed and ill-informed in terms of what's really going on in the marketplace.  
 
 I was thrilled to see iTunes come on board a couple months back because we are at a critical juncture, and I think a lot of the damage is already done.  There's an entire generation of music fans who believe that music is theirs for the taking -- you don't buy music, you download it.  Shit, if I'd been a teenager over the past few years, I'd probably be in that boat.  As it is, I'm a 30-something who has the technological capablities to do the same, but still buys CDs (from stores!).
 
 Of course, this is the same panic that occured when everyone was taping each others albums onto cassettes.  And yeah, I did a lot of that.  Though once I loved a band, I bought their music.  Again, stoopid music fan talking; the free music just instigated me to buy more.
 
 What's different to me now, and the part I find sad, is that, crappy albums acknowledged, there was so much to get from buying a band's album/s rather than just singles.  I think my history was somehow sandwiched in between the days of the 45 singles and today's internet singles market -- while there were lots of 12 inches around back in my teens, they were bonuses to be bought along with the albums -- the key to the obscure b-sides.  And though I have a number of albums that were just shite, I think I have more that I have loved and have really enriched me.
 
 Yeah, you can listen to 30 seconds of a song on iTunes; I already do that all over the internet (and buy more albums because of the capability).  I guess I'm ready to leap before your average music buyer; I don't have to listen to 30 seconds of every song on an album to make the purchase.
 
 I have nothing against iTunes and in fact hope they somehow find a way to be part of the solution.  How we get around the CRAP that is on the air, and the narrow narrow parameters of what actually sells today is another story entirely -- look to the WOXYs and Spinner.coms on the internet for personal solace, as the brittany-and-timberlake-colored sky falls around us.  It's not unlike the film industry (or, I should say, the movie industry) -- if it doesn't make $85 mil in the first weekend, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO WRONG??
 
 So, I'll keep buying albums and going to small clubs rather than billion dollar stadium tours, and hope that the good fight wins out in the end (and by winning, that's probably just surviving).
 
 By the way, R., we must be nuts -- we're talking about a road trip across the country to check out a record store!!
 
 xo, bags

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2003, 12:59:00 pm »
Holy carp bags... don't you know I'm ADD.  Somebody summarize this please.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2003, 01:18:00 pm »
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  Holy carp bags... don't you know I'm ADD.  Somebody summarize this please.
It's just an intellectualized argument about singles vs. albums.
 
 How many times have people justified the argument that they download songs because they don't want to pay upwards of $20 for a full album when they only like a song or two or three?
 
 Well, iTunes has answered that complaint.
 
 Personally, I'm an album guy.  I want to read the whole book, not just a particularly catchy chapter.  I understand the argument that digital singles will lead to the extinction of the album, but I don't buy it.  As the second letter pointed out, the labels make the money on record sales, the artist makes his money on touring.  Are we going to see a shift to 7 minute concerts consisting of an artists two 3.5 minute singles?
 
 Album people will still buy albums and singles people will buy singles rather than not buying the $15-$20 album.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2003, 01:26:00 pm »
people will buy what they want to buy.
 
 If they make music people like, it will with some marketing effort, sell.
 
 It is much better with itunes than other download services.
 
 some of which you cannot download whole albums, but more importantly the artistes receive income.
 
 the whole debate is facile though as singles have been around from the very start and yet people bought albums. In my case that was because I liked the single and hoped the whole album would be as pleasing.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2003, 01:51:00 pm »
i'm with ggw on this one... there are very few records i get where i don't like all the tracks on the record. then again i buy very little top 40 crap where the record is stuff with filler beyond the single(s).  and now a days singles are probably song doctored anyways in order to make it more chart friendly.  image not talent is what important for the charts these days.
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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2003, 03:54:00 pm »
nice
 
 Name checking woxy
 
 Last great radio station out there that does it the way it should be done.
 
 Bamn, the future of rock n roll!
 
 They put the Bamn in rock n roll before Emril put it on food.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2003, 04:36:00 pm »
yea, I like my WOXY too.
 
 I wonder what kind of market share radio staions like it and KEXP get?
 
 With more people with broadband it is easy to listen at home, but it would be great to have in the car and on the move.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2003, 04:39:00 pm »
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Originally posted by markie:
  yea, I like my WOXY too.
 
 I wonder what kind of market share radio staions like it and KEXP get?
 
 With more people with broadband it is easy to listen at home, but it would be great to have in the car and on the move.
Oh man, that is NO lie.  With a display in the car as well so you know who's playing at all times.  I would *so* pay for that.  [Yes, I realize there's XM radio, but the one alternative station did not appear to have a good playlist to me....if they did, I'd be there.]

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2003, 04:45:00 pm »
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  ...... good playlist to me....if they did, I'd be there.]
lets elope to Florida or Seattle, your choice, oh wait, you are a guy, nevermind.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2003, 04:46:00 pm »
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Originally posted by bags:
  ...... good playlist to me....if they did, I'd be there.]
lets elope to Florida or Seattle, your choice, oh wait, you are a guy, nevermind. [/b]
WOXY is from Ohio

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2003, 04:49:00 pm »
there is no way I am going to Ohio. Why did I think it was Florida?
 
 OK bags, how about Seattle? Too rainy and grunge, as it turns out, really was just shite and hype afterall, nevermind.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2003, 04:54:00 pm »
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  there is no way I am going to Ohio. Why did I think it was Florida?
 
 OK bags, how about Seattle? Too rainy and grunge, as it turns out, really was just shite and hype afterall, nevermind.
Well, I hear there are some great DRESS stores in Seattle!  And you know, as a woman I admire great DRESS stores.   :D  
 
 I wonder if Seattle isn't a bit too cool for school, if you know what I mean?  I know, anyone who's lived there is going to flame me now, but I just have that feeling.
 
 And I grew up in Fla.  And I'm not going to Ohio.
 
 Why so few radio stations like that -- and in OHIO?!?  oy.

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2003, 04:58:00 pm »
Hey, Cleveland Rocks OK?

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2003, 05:02:00 pm »
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  Hey, Cleveland Rocks OK?
It's true.  Down in the flats they have the largest Hooters in the country.  Awesome, dude!!

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Re: iTunes debate
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2003, 05:05:00 pm »
iTunes sucks.
 
 Or sorry, wrong debate.
 
 Go about your business.
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