Author Topic: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....  (Read 5591 times)

manimtired

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2004, 12:43:00 pm »
we use our wmd to protect free society..
 and no, W is not a tyrant.
 the  rhetoric spat out by libs regarding bush and iraq is really getting redundant...

redsock

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2004, 12:44:00 pm »
Oh, and by the way, the decapitation event was horrible and sick, no matter how you look at it. However, it is impossible to draw fair comparisons. For one, who are the guys who did this? Some sort of radical religious group? Some guys pissed we invaded their country? clearly not the common rank and file Iraqui citizen. Fucking nutjobs... yeah we've got plenty of them here in the us. People get killed in a variety of not so plesant ways everyday. And it is a horrible horrible thing. The difference is, they are sick and twisted, just like the fuckers in Iraq. We make a big deal out of these pictures and events cause these are US soldiers, masquerading under the guise of fighting for justice and freedom. These are the folks who are supposed to protect others from being treated like this. This wasn't some sort of interrogation process, obviously, hell I'd have been reasonably ok with this if it was. This is just some guys having a good old time. Not sickos, or twisted demented nut jobs, just grade A caliber US soldiers looking to get their rocks off at the expense of another human being they view as shittier than them.
 
 Regardless of whether you hate bush or not, liberal or conservative, this is just plain wrong, in any given situation. I honestly don't even know why we're debating this fact.

redsock

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2004, 12:54:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  we use our wmd to protect free society..
 and no, W is not a tyrant.
 the  rhetoric spat out by libs regarding bush and iraq is really getting redundant...
Rhetoric!!!! Are you fucking blind, deaf, dumb, or all three? This constant shrugging of the shoulders by conservatives makes me ill. If only this were all liberal propoganda. But as hard as you try, the pictures, the numbers, the facts, they just don't go away. "Ha ha ha those liberals and their rhetoric..." excuse me while i go vomit.
 
 Oh, and i said the 'leader' of this country is a tyrant. We all know that's Cheney, not W.

godsshoeshine

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2004, 12:55:00 pm »
obviously rounding up a random citizen and cutting his head off due to his nationality is horrible. frankly i question the sincerity of condemnations that try and attach 'liberal', 'conservative' or any party rhetoric as blame.
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redsock

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2004, 12:56:00 pm »

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2004, 01:03:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  the  rhetoric spat out by libs regarding bush and iraq is really getting redundant...
Like the rhetoric spewed by conservatives regarding Clinton and consentual (though inappropriate) fellatio was really redundant...  
 
 Somehow an international war seems like a bigger deal, though.
 
 Of course the decapitation was appalling, and I've heard a LOT of talk about it; it's not being ignored.  
 
 Now, if a militia group from the hinterlands of Michigan were to retaliate against an Iragi citizen of the U.S., should that be viewed as an act of the United States?  I think that's an equivalent example, as we know there are those U.S. militia/terrorist groups in existence.

Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2004, 01:03:00 pm »
Do you EVER have anything good to say about America, be it its government, its people, or even its music?
 
 
 
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  The pictures that haven't been published...of course, view at your own discretion... Mankie, I hope your unit never did this...
 
  http://www.eldiariointernacional.com/photosdelhorror.htm

manimtired

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2004, 01:12:00 pm »
im sure youre actually glad this abuse occurred so you have more to whine about.
 the libs are really blowing this out of proportion for political gain...which im sure the republicans would do if the dems were running things in washington.
 as i recall an internal investigation was started months before these pictures were put out to the public.
 now post another whining rant...

Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2004, 01:16:00 pm »
I think some intelligent points could be made supporting the conservative case (I'm too much of a lefty to make them), but you sure as hell aint making them.
 
 
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  im sure youre actually glad this abuse occurred so you have more to whine about.
 the libs are really blowing this out of proportion for political gain...which im sure the republicans would do if the dems were running things in washington.
 as i recall an internal investigation was started months before these pictures were put out to the public.
 now post another whining rant...

manimtired

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2004, 01:18:00 pm »
the point that the military was investigating the prison abuse before all this "outrage?"

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2004, 01:20:00 pm »
I think I'm going to have to stop commenting on this subject on this and other boards. I just get more incensed. Plus, I feel badly because it *is* bad shit going down. Truth is, I know very little about such things and I probably should not comment at all. Sorry everybody.

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2004, 01:33:00 pm »
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  the point that the military was investigating the prison abuse before all this "outrage?"
Two things here -- one, you keep referring to "outrage" as if we're making it all up. Regardless of your political beliefs, this is a very black and white issue. Though my gut feeling is that conservatives will continue to spin this as some sort of liberal conspiracy, which just further displays what's wrong with this country's political system.
 
 and two, about these investigations... we could go round and round about whether the american public should be made aware of said investigations, but don't you think congress, the lawmakers of this nation, should be informed? Perhaps if the administration had explained that there were some wrong-doings (course you don't feel they were wrong) and that they were checking into them, as opposed to not saying anything (hmm... wonder why they did that?) we wouldn't be where we are now.

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2004, 10:34:00 am »
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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2004, 11:18:00 am »
You doodles are too busy blaming the left or right for shit, you lose track of the facts.
 
 Since when was Iraq the 'enemy' SHisIT? I thought you went over there to liberate them?
 
 America has been the self proclaimed "human rights" nation of the world, so of course everyone is going to jump all over them when knowledge of the abuse became known, the big fucking hypocrit that America has now become.
 
 The people who cut the dudes head off weren't even in Iraq until America occupied the place. They arrived because Americans invaded.
 
 The dude was told to leave the country for his own safety, he didn't so must take some responsibility for his own demise, which doesn't take away from the brutality of his death.
 
 People say that Al Quaida are brutal religous fundemenalists.....what is the Bush Whitehouse if not religous fundamentalists? Just Christian instead of Muslim. I'm not comparing the two as far as sick, warped and brutal terrorists, but still taking the country in an  opposite direction from everything this country is supposed to represent.
 
 Dubya and his cronies have turned America from the most respected to the most hated country in the world, which Americans should be very concerned with, as big as you are you cannot go it alone in this world.
 
 America is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons in anger yet preaches to everyone else on the issue?
 
 Your mainstream press is pretty much controlled by the Bush Whitehouse, seeing as the owners are all big business buddies of his, kind of like Al Jezzerah on the other side. It's propoganda vs propaganda at this point.
 
 I'm not a leftie or a rightie, I agree and disagree with some of the opinions of both sides, but you should all be very worried about what will happen if Bush gets four more years to fuck up the world even more than he already has.

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Re: Yet Rumsfeld's head won't roll.....
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2004, 11:26:00 am »
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