Is the RIAA suing you?

[ggw]

Originally posted by myuman:
 ... it is insane to criminalize people for listening to music.

Listening to music isn't criminalized, only stealing it is.
 
 

Originally posted by myuman:
 If you want to profit from it, check the technology and adjust your marketing... it's that simple.

So if a girl doesn't want to be raped, she should just give it up.  It's that simple.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Let me create a scenario....I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show.  Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?  
    I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live....so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show...or i can go to some shows and download some music....well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.

justify all you want, but if you are downloading a song which has not be released by the copywriter holder for download for either free or by purchase, it's illegal.  
 
 the thing is there is no one size fits all solution in a environment where everyone wants to acquire content their own way.  personally i would like to have access a vast electronic library i can subscribe to for unlimited sampling etc.  emusic is a start but not complete by any means.  itunes is expensive away to pay for the digital rights to music for the serious record buyer, given the fact that i might also like to own the physcial product as well.

[sonickteam2]

I would have to say that if i was in a band I would rather people NOT listen to my music at all if they arent paying for it. I mean, shit, if they dont have the money or the decency to pay me for what i did, then they shouldnt even be listening.
   If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME......come on, really
 
 How genuinely American!

[mankie]

myuman...listen to it on your pooter all you want. As soon as you download it or burn a cd, you've nicked it!
 
 Looking at the Ferrari is like listening to the song....burning the cd is driving the Ferrari away.
 
 Sonickteam...I don't agree with your point either...if I steal a pair of Levis from the store, then like them so much I go back and buy another pair...have I stolen something?
 
 It's like those who get cable tv without paying for it. They're stealing, but what EXACTLY are they stealing? It doesn't matter..they're still stealing.

[markie]

Originally posted by myuman:
  Ferrari

Poor analogy. A better analogy is computer software. You should pay for it right? Downloading it from a peer to peer is also illegal.
 
 I do believe people and companies should profit from their creations.

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Let me create a scenario....I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show.  Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?

Which is why there are label sites, band sites, mp3.com, insound, etc... --- Not to mention radio, TV, listening stations, etc...
 
 The issue is whether you have the right to take ownership of somebody else's property and distribute without any compensation to the owner.
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 I dont have all of the money in the world, i cant buy ALL of the music I want AND go see it live....so the msuci industry can take thier pick, i can buy all the CDs and never go to a show...or i can go to some shows and download some music....well, they are still getting the same amount of money from me.

I can't buy ALL the [insert absolutely any product here] I want.  So they can just take as much money as I am willing to give them and let me have as much [insert absolutely any product here] as I want or else I'll just steal it from them.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by mankie:
  myuman...listen to it on your pooter all you want. As soon as you download it or burn a cd, you've nicked it!
 
 Looking at the Ferrari is like listening to the song....burning the cd is driving the Ferrari away.
 
 Sonickteam...I don't agree with your point either...if I steal a pair of Levis from the store, then like them so much I go back and buy another pair...have I stolen something?
 
 It's like those who get cable tv without paying for it. They're stealing, but what EXACTLY are they stealing? It doesn't matter..they're still stealing.

Well, if didnt "steal" all of the songs i stole, then i wouldnt know about a lot of the bands that i have paid to go see or eventually bought thier CD.   so....ok, i wont steal, but then i wont buy thier album or see thier show. NOW whos losing money...there is a gray area in this argument here...its not black and white stealing/shoplifting, you cant compare it to that.

[markie]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 [qb] Let me create a scenario....I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show.  Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?  [/b]

would that actually be a crime though. I mean you own the right to have the songs as Mp3s or whatever on your computer when you buy the CD.
 
 What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal?

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I would have to say that if i was in a band I would rather people NOT listen to my music at all if they arent paying for it. I mean, shit, if they dont have the money or the decency to pay me for what i did, then they shouldnt even be listening.
   If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME......come on, really
 
 How genuinely American!

If it was your band and your copyrighted work, you could give it away to whomever you wanted.
 
 It's not your band, its not your copyrighted work, so you can't.

[mankie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I would have to say that if i was in a band I would rather people NOT listen to my music at all if they arent paying for it. I mean, shit, if they dont have the money or the decency to pay me for what i did, then they shouldnt even be listening.
   If someone enjoys my music, then they should pay me, none of this free indulging crap, PAY ME......come on, really
 
 How genuinely American!

Maybe they could listen to it on the radio?

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by markie:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 [qb] Let me create a scenario....I hear of a band, and i download a few of thier songs, and then I decide that i like them, and i buy thier CD and/or check out thier show.  Well, now doesnt that seem like its benefitting the music industry?  [/b]

would that actually be a crime though. I mean you own the right to have the songs as Mp3s or whatever on your computer when you buy the CD.
 
 What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal? [/b]

I was just stating that if i downloaded a song and then liked it, which caused me to go to a show or buy a CD of that band, then I "stole" from them.  But that "stealing" is also the reason i have purchased a CD or ticket.  hence, the gray area for this subject.

[myuman]

Originally posted by markie:
 
 I do believe people and companies should profit from their creations.

Agreed... but the haggling here is really about the amount.  We pretty much have a concensus that 10 dollars will do it.  Sure, the artists I guess could charge a $1000, but then I will be more inclined to use hardware that actually reads the portion of the cd that I do own, and share only that portion with others.  Oh, and I believe there is technology to read only that portion (the plastic grooves, etc.) and makes it into that sound that gives me pleasure.  Software parallel: well, I think MS pretty much has put an end to that with thier own approach to people using it without paying (except the very few that really know what they are doing)... end result: rolling in dough.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by mankie:
 Maybe they could listen to it on the radio?

they could if i was one of the 8 bands they actually play on the radio.

[markie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  [
 What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal?

I was just stating......[/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 I know I was trying to highlight the greyness.
 
 For example if they caught you file downloading, but then when they came round your house they found you owned all the CDs for those files, is that illegal?

[sonickteam2]

Wait. before i look like an evil file sharer...i dont have files available for upload on my computer.  If someone would like to upload from me , they must contact me first. I WILL share, but not at will.
   And i am on Kazaa like once every other week for like an hour....i get most of my stuff from Emusic.
 
 
 just to clarify...