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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: azaghal1981 on February 17, 2009, 12:39:29 am
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From nin.com:
2.16.09: A note from Trent and a wave goodbye
Towards the beginning of my career in Nine Inch Nails, our biggest break came in the form of an invitation to perform a series of shows with Jane's Addiction. These performances essentially created and defined the term "alternative" rock in the US, created an ongoing festival franchise that is still thriving (Lollapalooza), set the stage for Nirvana to shift popular taste a few months later, and were really fucking FUN to play and attend - truly the best times I've had. The shows were epic. So epic, they propelled NIN to the "next level" (whatever that means), but caused Jane's to implode. The band broke up at the end of that tour.
Fast forward to the present. Corporate rock STILL sucks. A friend tells me they saw the original Jane's lineup play a tiny show in LA that was unbelievable. I break out my Jane's records and am amazed by how vital they sound. These guys were the real deal and in this current climate mostly dominated by poseurs and pussies it was refreshing to hear something that sounded dangerous, volatile, beautiful and SINCERE.
Emails were sent, phone calls were made, dinner was arranged, ideas were discussed and the next thing I know we're in the studio experimenting. We laugh, we get to know each other, we cry, we yell, we almost quit, we record LOTS of guitar solos, we discuss, we actually begin to all communicate, we yell some more, we become FRIENDS, we laugh again and we do some great things. I get to see first hand why they broke up all those years ago but I also get the chance to see four distinct personalities that become an INCREDIBLE band when they're in the same room.
In NIN world, 2009 marks the 20th anniversary of our first releases. I've been thinking for some time now it's time to make NIN disappear for a while. Last year's "Lights in the Sky" tour was something I'm quite proud of and seems like the culmination of what I could pull off in terms of an elaborate production. It was also quite difficult to pull off technically and physically night after night and left us all a bit dazed. After some thought, we decided to book a last run of shows across the globe this year. The approach to these shows is quite different from last year - much more raw, spontaneous and less scripted. Fun for us and a different way for you to see us and wave goodbye. I reached out to Jane's to see if they'd want to join us across the US and we all felt it could be a great thing. Will it work? Will it resonate in the marketplace? Who knows. Are there big record label marketing dollars to convince you to attend? Nope.
Does it feel right to us and does it seem like it will be fun for us and you? Yes it does.
Look for tour dates soon and I hope to see you out there.
Trent
Guess I have to see them now since I never have. Kind of an odd coincidence; I heard "Head like a Hole" on Sirius today and realized "holy shit it's been 20 years since PHM came out!"
Seth?
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I got to make sure to get tickets to this. Im glad I have got to see them a few times. They never disappoint. I also wouldn't necessarily put their latest albums on any best of lists, so maybe it is time to take a break and buy more funeral parlors in New Orleans. But them on a smaller stage, and with Janes Addiction in tow, is something I dont want to miss.
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woa. i'm in. trent seems to imply that it will be a stripped-down show, but i hope they still cart out some of the stage bling... those blinking lights are purdy.
JA's should be interesting... perry still considers himself and acts like a super star. the music will be great to hear but i don't know if i'll be able to deal with his on stage ego.
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Yeah, Perry is so full of himself, it's comical.
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SETH! Come on man this is not to be passed over... Whatever it takes.
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I just want tour dates. Considering I did a hefty amount of the last tour (LOVED the last 2 studio records), I'll probably be in tow for most/some of this!
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For about 3 years, Jane's was my absolute favorite band, based almost solely on Nothings Shocking. That said, it hasn't aged particularly well. It's not horrific, but the primary problem is when I listen to it now, Navarro's guitar just sounds so much like 80s douchebag metal with the squiggly meatrock guitar solos. He did add some new, interesting elements that, at the time, made the band sound somewhat exotic and trippy. But since then, so many bands have taken the sound of guitar to whole new levels, and to me, JA now sounds like a mashup of GnR and the Pumpkins. And Navarro hasn't done himself any favors by turning into the Avon lady.
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/nthng2lv4btLP/Kat%20Von%20D/kat-von-d.jpg)
"Please come see this show. Need money for mascara!"
Still, this pairing is pretty intriguing.
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i'm guessing we will see these 2 at lollapalooza this year?
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And Navarro hasn't done himself any favors by turning into the Avon lady.
For real. Dave Navarro is a hostess twinkie mother fucker if there ever was one.
He was part of a few good albums though, but I think it was more of a right place right time sort of thing. Out of the context of Jane's his playing is cheezy. For me that band was all about the rhythm section and Perry's voice and lyrics.
My fave album was the first...the "live" one, still listen to it every so often, but not very.
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For me that band was all about the rhythm section and Perry's voice and lyrics.
Yeah, this is key.
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did trent listen to the last janes addiction album? jesus it was terrible
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the last jane's addiction tour was terrible.
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I doubt JA will play anything off the newest album. Eric A. was a big part of the orginal sound, I think this tour will be much better. If its a summer show, hopefully this will be Merriweather and NOT Nissan.
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the last jane's addiction tour was terrible.
Was that in like 2001/2002 with Live as the support? I wanted to shoot myself in the head if Ed didn't shut up about "how great everyone is out 911 blah blah blah"
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And Navarro hasn't done himself any favors by turning into the Avon lady.
For real. Dave Navarro is a hostess twinkie mother fucker if there ever was one.
He was part of a few good albums though, but I think it was more of a right place right time sort of thing. Out of the context of Jane's his playing is cheezy. For me that band was all about the rhythm section and Perry's voice and lyrics.
My fave album was the first...the "live" one, still listen to it every so often, but not very.
I liked the work Dave did for making a dark funk album for RHCP and shifting their sound for a bit, as well as the guitar work Dave did for NIN... The band after Jane's disbanded called "Deconstruction" also had some good work on it, just wasn't a fan of Eric Avery's vocals, but still having Dave, Stephen and Eric rock out for another album was good.
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Let's not forget the epic work Dave did as host of two RockStar series.
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And of course there's his most famous role (by a mile) as Mr. Carmen Electra. Kinda sad that most people know him for this and nothing else.
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Let's not forget the epic work Dave did as host of two RockStar series.
In all honesty, this is by far his most entertaining work since "Ritual De Lo Habitual". And I'm being totally serious.
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I am not one for nostalgia shows, but Lollapalooza 1991 was my first US show and it was pretty darn intense. I was semi-unfamiliar with NIN at the time (i know PHM came out 2 years before, but gimme a break i had just turned 14!!) and i was pretty blown away. I just went for Living Colour!
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And if it's at Nissan...?
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we debate going ;)
And if it's at Nissan...?
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I went to that one. The show I was at, the prerecorded music went haywire, and little Trent got pissed and ran off the stage in a snit.
I am not one for nostalgia shows, but Lollapalooza 1991 was my first US show and it was pretty darn intense. I was semi-unfamiliar with NIN at the time (i know PHM came out 2 years before, but gimme a break i had just turned 14!!) and i was pretty blown away. I just went for Living Colour!
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I read on another board that this might be the date. Nissan, too bad.
June 11th - Nissan Pavillion at Stone Ridge, Bristow Va
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the last jane's addiction tour was terrible.
Highly disagree.. Last show at Nissan was pretty sick, Had a great time. While I agree that individually, memebers have not lived up to theyre past potential (although I did love Porno for Pyros) as Janes Addiction they just click and make amazing music together. I personally loved the Last Janes cd, it was straight ahead, kick ass rock, what's wrong with that?
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You use the phrases "pretty sick" and "kick ass rock". Enough said.
the last jane's addiction tour was terrible.
Highly disagree.. Last show at Nissan was pretty sick, Had a great time. While I agree that individually, memebers have not lived up to theyre past potential (although I did love Porno for Pyros) as Janes Addiction they just click and make amazing music together. I personally loved the Last Janes cd, it was straight ahead, kick ass rock, what's wrong with that?
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It's pretty obvious that your not a fan of any kind of rock Charlie. But congrats that you feel your obviously so much better than me because I use certain terms for music you deem juvenile or low class. Maybe I should have said "swell" or "really fabulous" to describe my feelings? yeah I can feel that vibe from you.
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How is it pretty obvious that I'm not a fan of any kind of rock? I'm going to see DBT tomorrow night, and they rock harder than most.
I don't deem your phrasing juvenile or low class. They just sounds like phrases of inexperience. Forgive e if i'm wrong.
It's pretty obvious that your not a fan of any kind of rock Charlie. But congrats that you feel your obviously so much better than me because I use certain terms for music you deem juvenile or low class. Maybe I should have said "swell" or "really fabulous" to describe my feelings? yeah I can feel that vibe from you.
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as someone who still looks back at lollapalooza 1 as a watershed day, i love the pairing . . . with reservations. think it has the makings of a cool summer show at Merriweather. . . although it just seems like an 'early 90's brand' nostalgia show at Nissan . . .and given Jane's members post-1991 track record, they should really try to concentrate on getting it right.
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. .and given Jane's members post-1991 track record, they should really try to concentrate on getting high.
Ding ding ding ding. Once they gave up on the hard stuff, this band made itself totally obselete. For those of you that go you better hope they stock up on smack for this tour. Otherwise it's 90 minutes of Perry's PT Barnum and Dave's nipple rings.
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Also file me under those that consider Lollapalooza 1 a watershed day.
I saw Jane's in small places before that tour, and to me they were never as good as they were at Lollapalooza. Their music totally became huge to match the venues, and seeing them in a big place added to the experience rather than took away from it.
NIN was also amazing on that tour. I will never forget the big fat shirtless guitarist dusted in yellow something with electrical tape over his nipples. Also seeing Trent for the first time knock down other band members as they were playing was pretty cool.
I will definitely go to this. Jane's without Eric Avery was not even remotely the same. I'm sure they will only focus on the records with Avery, which is fine with me.
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I'm going to see DBT tomorrow night, and they rock harder than most.
Most what? Adverbs?
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Sorry, I forgot to use capitalization. I was comparing them to these guys. I'm sure azag and snailhook can tell you all about them.
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg200/g258/g25891e1pvt.jpg)
I'm going to see DBT tomorrow night, and they rock harder than most.
Most what? Adverbs?
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The only thing wrong w/ JANE'S concert is their short show.
65 mins, 55 mins, m-a-y-b-e 70-75 mins..
Still, a heck of an hour.
I love 'em
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And if it's at Nissan...?
then i dont go! only Thom Yorke gets me to Nissan!
(but me living in Baltimore, Philly is just closer)
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NIN was also amazing on that tour. I will never forget the big fat shirtless guitarist dusted in yellow something with electrical tape over his nipples. Also seeing Trent for the first time knock down other band members as they were playing was pretty cool.
Wait what? I don't think Richard Patrick was ever big and fat. lol
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And if it's at Nissan...?
Well then...fuck NIN/JA/Clear Channel.
That said, These are pretty damn on point and awesome (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/download/149331-pitchforktv-janes-addiction-various-songs-live-in-los-angeles)
The three that I watched are, at least.
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And if it's at Nissan...?
Well then...fuck NIN/JA/Clear Channel.
That said, These are pretty damn on point and awesome (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/download/149331-pitchforktv-janes-addiction-various-songs-live-in-los-angeles)
The three that I watched are, at least.
Nice to see Dave is using Ibanez again for Janes :)
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another jane's addiction "not new stuff" material . . . but atleast this time it might actually be pretty good.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/jane-s-addiction-unlocks-four-disc-cabinet-1003945912.story
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Nice to see Dave is using Ibanez again for Janes :)
I'm pretty sure I remember reading an interview with Dave in Guitar Player around when Ritual came out and he said he started using Ibanez after he sold his Les Paul for smack money.
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Nice to see Dave is using Ibanez again for Janes :)
I'm pretty sure I remember reading an interview with Dave in Guitar Player around when Ritual came out and he said he started using Ibanez after he sold his Les Paul for smack money.
yeah but since Jane's ended he's been using a lot of Paul Reed Smith guitars out of Baltimore, like when Panic Channel played at the 930 Club in 2006.
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
LOL Yeah totally George Benson, John Scofield, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, and Pat Metheny are total cheezy metal guitar players :)
I think you're thinking of BC Rich, which is definitely for the cheezy metal.
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
LOL Yeah totally George Benson, John Scofield, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, and Pat Metheny are total cheezy metal guitar players :)
I think you're thinking of BC Rich, which is definitely for the cheezy metal.
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the smooth-jazz/prog rock part, but the cheeze.
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
LOL Yeah totally George Benson, John Scofield, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, and Pat Metheny are total cheezy metal guitar players :)
I think you're thinking of BC Rich, which is definitely for the cheezy metal.
*EDIT*
Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the smooth-jazz/prog rock part, but the cheeze.
LOL You'll need to edit that one again because Dave is smooth-jazz. Could be his nickname, plus stop making fun of Ibanez :(
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
LOL Yeah totally George Benson, John Scofield, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, and Pat Metheny are total cheezy metal guitar players :)
I think you're thinking of BC Rich, which is definitely for the cheezy metal.
*EDIT*
Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the smooth-jazz/prog rock part, but the cheeze.
LOL You'll need to edit that one again because Dave is smooth-jazz. Could be his nickname, plus stop making fun of Ibanez :(
*FINAL EDIT*
Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave.
Soundls like someone has a few Ibanez guitars in the closet..... ::)
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Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy metal guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the metal part, but the cheeze.
LOL Yeah totally George Benson, John Scofield, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, and Pat Metheny are total cheezy metal guitar players :)
I think you're thinking of BC Rich, which is definitely for the cheezy metal.
*EDIT*
Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave...not the smooth-jazz/prog rock part, but the cheeze.
LOL You'll need to edit that one again because Dave is smooth-jazz. Could be his nickname, plus stop making fun of Ibanez :(
*FINAL EDIT*
Isn't Ibanez preferred by cheezy smooth-jazz/prog rock guitar players? Well then I guess it suits Dave.
Soundls like someone has a few Ibanez guitars in the closet..... ::)
Nope they're not in the closet at all. I've got 3 of them actually :P
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just because a few adult-contemporary artist use ibanez's jazz (mostly hollow-body) models doesn't negate the brand's shred-rock pedigree. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, dudes from Korn, Stanley Jordan, Paul Stanley, Marty Friedman, Vinnie Moore, Reb Beach, Daron Malakian, Mike Mushok, Paul Gilbert, various members of Slipknot, The Offspring, Linkin Park, etc etc etc... need i go on?
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just because a few adult-contemporary artist use ibanez's jazz (mostly hollow-body) models doesn't negate the brand's shred-rock pedigree. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, dudes from Korn, Stanley Jordan, Paul Stanley, Marty Friedman, Vinnie Moore, Reb Beach, Daron Malakian, Mike Mushok, Paul Gilbert, various members of Slipknot, The Offspring, Linkin Park, etc etc etc... need i go on?
No need to go on - You pretty much sealed it with Slipknot, The Offspring and Linkin Park.
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If I'm not mistaken, I think Kevin Shields use to play an Ibanez with a heavily duct taped up tremolo arm.