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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on June 11, 2011, 03:27:50 pm
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So Clap Your Hands Say Yeah tickets are on sale online via Ticketfly...but not at the 9:30 box office.
So I go to the box office yesterday after work and the always-cordial gentleman behind the glass tells me that they aren't available at the box office because they are only on sale to fan club members and some other bullshit. That made no sense, so I asked him again. He told me the same thing and threw in some bullshit about "we announce our shows on Thursdays......" Blah blah blah.
So if the tickets are only on sale to fan club members, why isn't there a password for the tickets? I am assuming they are doing a "soft sale" of the tickets right now? So if I wanna bend over and pay the fees, I can have the tickets, but I can't buy them at the window?
Sounds stupid.
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There have been instances where the artists were perplexed by this system as well. This Superchunk thread from last year (http://mergerecords.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15970&p=34700&hilit=ticketfly#p34700) comes to mind.
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This is really not that confusing. Some bands ask that we make tickets available as a link they can post on their site in order to get tickets to their fans before we put the show up in ads and on the 9:30 site. Until we publicly announce a show (i.e. eBlast and website) tickets are only available online. This policy has been in place for years, it's nothing new.
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This is really not that confusing. Some bands ask that we make tickets available as a link they can post on their site in order to get tickets to their fans before we put the show up in ads and on the 9:30 site. Until we publicly announce a show (i.e. eBlast and website) tickets are only available online. This policy has been in place for years, it's nothing new.
So why won't you make tickets available at the box office then? Just admit you guys want to collect the fees.
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I like the system. I rarely have a hard time getting tickets to a show I want as long as I'm informed in the Just Announced thread. The convenience fee isn't usually THAT bad and the tickets are shipped to me. It beats the mad rush to a 10 a.m. Friday sale on Ticketmaster.
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I don't think the venue gets those fees. The fees are how the ticket vendor makes money, right? I believe the club gets the same amount per ticket no matter where they are sold. In fact if my line of thought is correct, they make MORE by selling at the box office if you count in the $1. Bottom line is this, if you want to go, pay the full price of the ticketing. If not, don't.
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I couldn't say how Ticket Fly works, but Ticketmaster gives a percentage of the service fee to the venue/promoter.
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I couldn't say how Ticket Fly works, but Ticketmaster gives a percentage of the service fee to the venue/promoter.
I never knew that. I am still learning, I must still be alive after all!
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I don't understand how they can charge a 'convenience fee' for ordering online when they don't give you the option of being 'inconvenienced' by going to the box office to buy tickets?
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i don't understand how everybody wants everything for free now.
"i want you to provide me with a service . . . but don't charge me for it."
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"i want you to provide me with a service . . . but don't charge me for it."
We are paying for it either way. Do I have to spell it for you?
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ooh, ooh . . . i like spelling. do you win a prize for guessing correct?
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I can't believe that this board continues to have this conversation, again and again again.
Yes, these companies charge you and screw you six ways til sunday. Because they can.
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people that bitch about service charges, should walk into any fast food place and say
"you're overcharging me for this soda, because you can . . . lower the price right now."
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people that bitch about service charges, should walk into any fast food place and say
"you're overcharging me for this soda, because you can . . . lower the price right now."
I don't go to fast food places but I'm sure they don't charge you extra for the convenience of using the drive thru...................or do they?
They don't charge extra at the hardware store for the convenience of using the self check-out.
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Who cares what they call the stupid charges. They charge it. We pay it. They keep it.
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Who cares what they call the stupid charges. They charge it. We pay it. They keep it.
eggsfuckinzactly!!!!
Actually, I used to go to the 930 for a night out, I would be in the club 3-4 nights every week. I didn't really care who was playing. I just love live music. When the bullshit charges got out of hand I just went to shows I really wanted to see, so my 930 visits dropped by at least 65%.
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if you were going to the club that often, why didn't you buy at the box office? no fees. your 65% argument doesn't hold up... if you love music that much, you don't let a few dollars in fees stop you - you find a way to get around those fees (ex: buy directly from box office).
I don't go to fast food places but I'm sure they don't charge you extra for the convenience of using the drive thru...................or do they?
They don't charge extra at the hardware store for the convenience of using the self check-out.
unfortunately you aren't comparing apples to apples. in the case of the drive-thru or self-checkout, those are services being provided by the same business (the restaurant or the hardware store). in the case of online ticket sales, venues need to contract the services of a ticketmaster, or ticketfly, etc. these guys don't work for free. it's a lot more expensive to sell tickets through them, and there aren't any upsides to the business to offset the cost (in the case of drive-thru, you're increasing business. for self-check out, you can cut employees and hopefully increase business).
the venue can do two things:
1) eat the charges
2) not sell online.
#1 isn't going to happen, there isn't enough money floating around in ticket sales to absorb that cost. and #2 would piss off customers. how happy would you be if the only place to get 930 tickets was at the 930 club? what, you wouldn't like it?
and for those for whom convenience fees are a mortal stain on their souls: stick it to the man and BUY YOUR TICKETS AT THE CLUB.
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and for those for whom convenience fees are a mortal stain on their souls: stick it to the man and BUY YOUR TICKETS AT THE CLUB.
THAT'S WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD. BECAUSE I TRIED AND THEY WOULDN'T LET ME AND GAVE ME SOME BULLSHIT EXCUSE.
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AND THAT "BULLSHIT EXCUSE" WAS THAT IT WAS AN ONLINE-ONLY PRESALE AS REQUESTED BY THE BAND. DEAL WITH IT.
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if you were going to the club that often, why didn't you buy at the box office? no fees. your 65% argument doesn't hold up... if you love music that much, you don't let a few dollars in fees stop you - you find a way to get around those fees (ex: buy directly from box office).
I don't go to fast food places but I'm sure they don't charge you extra for the convenience of using the drive thru...................or do they?
They don't charge extra at the hardware store for the convenience of using the self check-out.
unfortunately you aren't comparing apples to apples. in the case of the drive-thru or self-checkout, those are services being provided by the same business (the restaurant or the hardware store). in the case of online ticket sales, venues need to contract the services of a ticketmaster, or ticketfly, etc. these guys don't work for free. it's a lot more expensive to sell tickets through them, and there aren't any upsides to the business to offset the cost (in the case of drive-thru, you're increasing business. for self-check out, you can cut employees and hopefully increase business).
the venue can do two things:
1) eat the charges
2) not sell online.
#1 isn't going to happen, there isn't enough money floating around in ticket sales to absorb that cost. and #2 would piss off customers. how happy would you be if the only place to get 930 tickets was at the 930 club? what, you wouldn't like it?
and for those for whom convenience fees are a mortal stain on their souls: stick it to the man and BUY YOUR TICKETS AT THE CLUB.
I stopped going to shows as often because the shows I wanted to see I bought online ahead of time...bent over and took the service without the KY. So I stopped going as often because my entertainment funds were being used up by service charges. End result. 930 and up and coming bands did not get the pleasure of my attendance. It actually was about a 65% drop.
The charges are what they are....pay up or don't go. My point is it's not a "convenience' charge if there's no option to 'inconveniently' buy the tickets. Which I believe was the point of the original poster.
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AND THAT "BULLSHIT EXCUSE" WAS THAT IT WAS AN ONLINE-ONLY PRESALE AS REQUESTED BY THE BAND. DEAL WITH IT.
THE BULLSHIT EXCUSE WAS THAT THE BAND WANTED THE ABILITY TO GET TICKETS INTO THE HANDS OF THEIR FANS BEFORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I AM A FAN OF THE BAND SO I WANTED TO GET A TICKET IN MY HAND AT THE BOX OFFICE.
Why is this so hard for you to deduce?
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IT WAS AN ONLINE-ONLY PRESALE AS REQUESTED BY THE BAND. Therefore, you must pay the fees :P
AND THAT "BULLSHIT EXCUSE" WAS THAT IT WAS AN ONLINE-ONLY PRESALE AS REQUESTED BY THE BAND. DEAL WITH IT.
THE BULLSHIT EXCUSE WAS THAT THE BAND WANTED THE ABILITY TO GET TICKETS INTO THE HANDS OF THEIR FANS BEFORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I AM A FAN OF THE BAND SO I WANTED TO GET A TICKET IN MY HAND AT THE BOX OFFICE.
Why is this so hard for you to deduce?
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According to new book:
...... The biggest reason add-on ticket fees vary so wildly is that the artists themselves are now dictating how much extra income they want from those fees.
It?s true they could just as easily raise their face value ticket price but then they might look greedy to their fans. It?s much easier to let the public blame TicketBastard or the promoter for the incomprehensible fee gouging. And besides, this way they can often cheat their own agent out of commissions on this income. It?s all about mystification and misdirection and is the real reason why all-inclusive ticket prices have not become the norm.
http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2011/06/14/770958.aspx#bottom (http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2011/06/14/770958.aspx#bottom)
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This helps to back up my suspicion as to why the U2 parking is so outrageous! Leave it to that bloated globalist ass-kisser Bono to pull a stunt like that.
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Well the artists have to make their money somehow.
They're certainly not making money off of albums these days.
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^ Rhett, it's U2. I would venture to say that their contracts are such that they get their heavy loot whether or not the record sells. Besides, lots of people do like them and buy their records.
Believe it or not, there are lots of us who still buy our music in some form or another. It's just that many of our purchases aren't necessarily counted by the big labels due to preferring (real) independents and DIYers.
Suspect that you were being facetious but can't tell in the written form.
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I wasn't being facetious.
The pollstar article that I was referring to never mentioned U2.
^ Rhett, it's U2. I would venture to say that their contracts are such that they get their heavy loot whether or not the record sells. Besides, lots of people do like them and buy their records.
Believe it or not, there are lots of us who still buy our music in some form or another. It's just that many of our purchases aren't necessarily counted by the big labels due to preferring (real) independents and DIYers.
Suspect that you were being facetious but can't tell in the written form.
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The pollstar article that I was referring to never mentioned U2.
That's true. I was mixing up my threads. Sorry about that. I do wonder though whether it's really the artists or the labels as the artists' representatives who are making this claim. Probably a mix of both.
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YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
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YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
The public still holds all the power.....stop buying their shit or paying to see them play and they will have to get a real job.
That will never happen though because Joe/Josephine Public are morons.
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You do realize that many people have stopped buying music, right?
YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
The public still holds all the power.....stop buying their shit or paying to see them play and they will have to get a real job.
That will never happen though because Joe/Josephine Public are morons.
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You do realize that many people have stopped buying music, right?
YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
The public still holds all the power.....stop buying their shit or paying to see them play and they will have to get a real job.
That will never happen though because Joe/Josephine Public are morons.
Still go to see them though....and pay the service fees, then bitch about them constantly. If people bitched with their wallets instead of their mouths these charges would drop significantly.
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Agreed. I'm with you. Prices go up, that means I see less shows. Plain and simple.
The problem is people think they are entitled to everything they want, regardless of prices. Especially DC people.
You do realize that many people have stopped buying music, right?
YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
The public still holds all the power.....stop buying their shit or paying to see them play and they will have to get a real job.
That will never happen though because Joe/Josephine Public are morons.
Still go to see them though....and pay the service fees, then bitch about them constantly. If people bitched with their wallets instead of their mouths these charges would drop significantly.
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If people bitched with their wallets instead of their mouths these charges would drop significantly.
100% with you on that one. would make this board a hell of a lot more tolerable, too.
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If people bitched with their wallets instead of their mouths these charges would drop significantly.
100% with you on that one. would make this board a hell of a lot more tolerable, too.
well . . . who wants THAT!?
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Somebody please explain to me what Katy Perry sees in Russell Brand.
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inbred features?
Somebody please explain to me what Katy Perry sees in Russell Brand.
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Indeed. The man is ugly.
And that movie he made had to be one of the most unfunny comedies I've ever seen.
inbred features?
Somebody please explain to me what Katy Perry sees in Russell Brand.
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YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
For some reason all this take makes me think of is the Nihlists in Big Lebowski dancing around going "I FUCK YOU! I FUCK YOU!"
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Somebody please explain to me what Katy Perry sees in Russell Brand.
Money?
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i hear russell brand has a bigger dick than bono (which is shocking, considering that brand is english!)
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YOU THE PUBLIC, FUCKED UP THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR THE ARTISTS. NOW THEY FUCK OVER YOU. SO FUCK YOU.
For some reason all this take makes me think of is the Nihlists in Big Lebowski dancing around going "I FUCK YOU! I FUCK YOU!"
nice!
(http://www.memecenter.com/uploaded/62ace9f155132d4cd3a992e5fe9de540.jpg)
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Really? I would guess she had more of that than he does.
Somebody please explain to me what Katy Perry sees in Russell Brand.
Money?
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Really? I would guess she had more of that than he does.
Doesn't mean she's gonna be banging janitors. Money begets money like tomorrow beGAT tomorrow.
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I am always amused at these threads that go on about service fees. Folks get all bent over a $20 ticket with a $10 fee but would not be upset at all with a $29 ticket and a $1 fee. It is still $30 either way. Who cares how they break it down.
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or, better yet, a $20 ticket with no fees... and no way to buy them except in person at the club. FREE FROM THE TYRANNY OF FEES, FREE AT LAST!
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FREE FROM THE TYRANNY OF FEES, FREE AT LAST!
Thank God and G0d almighty, they should have that etched on the MLK memorial.
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http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eeel45ehmg/the-worlds-25-highest-paid-musicians?partner=yahoomusic
FEES??? you want to know about FEES??? This is were your fucking fees are going....