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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on July 13, 2011, 01:23:38 pm
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So I come out of the Black Cat the other night and there is a ticket looking thing on my car - which was parked in a legal spot. It turns out not to be a ticket but a Warning Notice for Determination of Proper License Registration. It says:
"Your vehicle has been observed for the second time within a 180 day period parking without DC tags. After fifteen days you become eligible for issuance of a ticket and/or impoundment for failure to secure DC tags unless..."
It goes on to tell me that I have to supply the DC DMV with a copy of my mortgage and a recent utility bill to prove that I don't really live in DC. All because I have parked in the city twice in a six month period.
Is this shit for real?
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Yeah, we're tightening up our borders to you foreigners.
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Makes people not want to visit DC and spend money there. I have gotten bogus tickets in fron of the 930 club and outside black cat. Ones where they dont' even put the ticket on my vehicle and instead send me a late notice. I refused to pay and they put it on credit report. I sent letters to all 3 credit bureaus and they removed them.
Here is an idea. Instead of wasting all your money on building a billion dollar stadium for billionaires how about using that money for running your city instead of trying to steal it from out of state visitors.
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I could see that being a valid thing if it were like Dallas where out of state is quite a trip, but DC where 30 seconds and you are out. That is insane.
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the District is hungry for money...
early this year, I got a ticket from one of those red light cameras installed at NY Avenue...it took a picture of my tags WHILE I WAS TURNING RIGHT ON A RED....of course I had to dispute it. Haven't heard from them...
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So if you enter DC more than once every six months you have to register it with them?
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not really related but i had a coworker that had moved from california....after working at the job for a few months he flew back to california to visit family and parked his car at the airport. when he returned, he found out that his car got impounded. apparently they troll the airport parking lots looking for out of state plates.....it got even crazier, i dont remember the exact story, but something like they wanted him to pay maryland taxes on his car...even though he had purchased it in california
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So if you enter DC more than once every six months you have to register it with them?
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Yes.
And you must renew this privilege every six months.
-If you are a recurring visitor (frequent short term visits) report to a DMV service location and prove non-residency by presenting an original lease, deed or mortgage statement or a utility bill no more than 60-days old. The documents must be in the name of the registered owner of the vehicle. You must also provide a copy of your out-of-state license and vehicle registration. You will then be exempted for a 180-day period.
What happens after the 180-day exemption period?
If you receive another warning notice, you may repeat the exemption process above.
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It's pretty much to make sure people who have moved into the city aren't skipping out on paying for a residential parking permit.
When I first moved to DC it took forever to get a residential parking permit because to get it, you need your car registered in the district, which needs a dc driver's license, which needs proof of residency, which if one doesn't have a lease and you aren't on any of the utility bills, is a little tough. For those two months I was at work in Maryland most of the day, and so could legally parking all night starting at 6:01pm. Eventually they gave me a ticket for always being parked in the neighborhood but not having any DC plates or parking permit.
I could see how frequenting the 9:30 club a lot (and hence having one's car in the area often at night) might make parking enforcement think you're a registration dodger.
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you do have to pay maryland taxes to get it tagged in maryland based the book value of the car...if i had known that, i would have kept my california tags ...
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Makes people not want to visit DC and spend money there. I have gotten bogus tickets in fron of the 930 club and outside black cat. Ones where they dont' even put the ticket on my vehicle and instead send me a late notice. I refused to pay and they put it on credit report. I sent letters to all 3 credit bureaus and they removed them.
Here is an idea. Instead of wasting all your money on building a billion dollar stadium for billionaires how about using that money for running your city instead of trying to steal it from out of state visitors.
I'm not sure why exacting a price for you availing yourself of a valuable commodity is "stealing."
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One would think Virginia and Maryland plates would be exempt...
I can't imagine the DC DMV being any more efficient or cost saving with having to deal with all of those VA/MD folks getting rubber stamped every 6 months at the cost of DC taxpayers.
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the District is hungry for money...
early this year, I got a ticket from one of those red light cameras installed at NY Avenue...it took a picture of my tags WHILE I WAS TURNING RIGHT ON A RED....of course I had to dispute it. Haven't heard from them...
you do know that's not allowed at many intersections, right?
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One would think Virginia and Maryland plates would be exempt...
VA and MD residents are probably the worst violators among people who move into DC and don't change their registration.
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there was no sign on NY avenue that says you can't make a turn on a red.
the District is hungry for money...
early this year, I got a ticket from one of those red light cameras installed at NY Avenue...it took a picture of my tags WHILE I WAS TURNING RIGHT ON A RED....of course I had to dispute it. Haven't heard from them...
you do know that's not allowed at many intersections, right?
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don't get me started!
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VA and MD residents are probably the worst violators among people who move into DC and don't change their registration.
Enough to justify the costs of those from VA/Md that only visit the district twice in 6 months should have to get rubber stamped by DC DMV every six months? I somehow doubt that...
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I have absolutely no problem with the city trying to track down the many people who live in the city and keep their cars registered elsewhere. But to say that the owner of any car that parks for any amount of time more than one time in a six month period must come and prove that he/she lives elsewhere is beyond ridiculous.
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^ I absolutely agree!
Guess they don't want our business then. Bunch of idiots! Just feel sorry for the business owners who depend on a little bit broader area of clientele then just the immediate area. That kind of over policing would sure keep me out of town just on principle.
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i only park in parking garages. plus i like pizza by the slice places that are right there when you walk out of the parking garage. yum.
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Question for the D.C. residents: Are you embarrassed by the people who run your city?
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Question for the D.C. residents: Are you embarrassed by the people who run your city?
yes, the U.S. Congress is an embarrassment.
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here is another great idea from those who "run the city"
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Firefighters-Helping-Deter-Crime-125552998.html?dr
"when people see a fire truck . . . they won't commit crime."
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Guess they don't want our business then.
I always hear this "I guess they don't want our business" argument. But in case anyone hasn't noticed, DC is booming, like almost no other city in the nation. It's a pretty well established notion that people who bitch on the internet generally don't actually *do* anything -- and if one or two people stop coming to DC that's not going to have any impact.
The reason I have no sympathy for parking complainers is that I have a car in the city and I generally get one ticket every 5 years or so. If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
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^^ he wasn't aware of this 'law' though...
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The reason I have no sympathy for parking complainers is that I have a car in the city and I generally get one ticket every 5 years or so. If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
doomie, you're missing the point here. MD and VA residents who occasionally come in to the city are labeled as car registry offenders and need to go out of their way to prove their innocence when they have done nothing wrong. these tickets are NOT earned.
out of towners are allowed parking in the city ONCE every 180 days? that's asinine. per the wording of the ggw's OP, "Your vehicle has been observed for the second time within a 180 day period parking without DC tags." he now has to trek to a DC DMV with his mortgage papers/title/utility bill/first born for the "right" to not be ticketed for something he isn't guilty of. once he's done all this he'll be in the clear - for six months! then he'll need to do it all over again. that's an unfair burden on the innocent.
on any given day, i suspect there a lot more MD & VA day-trippers in the city than there are registration dodgers. in the city's blood-thirsty pursuits of the few, they're punishing the many.
that being said, i've had MD plates on my car for 2 years now, i go in to the city at least once a month (and often more than that), and i've never received such a warning/notice.
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VA and MD residents are probably the worst violators among people who move into DC and don't change their registration.
The paid parking in my parking lot is almost 70% MD/VA plates, 20% DC, 10% other states.
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Question for the D.C. residents: Are you embarrassed by the people who run your city?
yes, the U.S. Congress is an embarrassment.
+1,000
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Guess they don't want our business then.
I always hear this "I guess they don't want our business" argument. But in case anyone hasn't noticed, DC is booming, like almost no other city in the nation. It's a pretty well established notion that people who bitch on the internet generally don't actually *do* anything -- and if one or two people stop coming to DC that's not going to have any impact.
The reason I have no sympathy for parking complainers is that I have a car in the city and I generally get one ticket every 5 years or so. If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
Herr Professor = Marion Barry!!!
BUSTED!!
:o
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I am not complaining about receiving a ticket - just or unjust. There was no law to follow in this case. Unless the law is don't park in the city more than once every six months. And a letter of appeal won't suffice.
I really shouldn't be as surprised as I am. This is just typical laziness from the typically incompetent DC government. Their employees don't want to have to do any actual work so they come up with the ridiculous criteria of "you have been spotted parked in the city more than once in a 180 day period" to shift the burden of proof (and the burden of doing all the legwork) onto somebody else.
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Guess they don't want our business then.
I always hear this "I guess they don't want our business" argument. But in case anyone hasn't noticed, DC is booming, like almost no other city in the nation. It's a pretty well established notion that people who bitch on the internet generally don't actually *do* anything -- and if one or two people stop coming to DC that's not going to have any impact.
The reason I have no sympathy for parking complainers is that I have a car in the city and I generally get one ticket every 5 years or so. If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
Let me get this straight - are you defending this ridiculous policy...the one outlined in the beginning of this thread?
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Doomie's favorite flavor must be boot black because he often proves how much he just luuuvvves licking boots. ::)
Must have been a hardcore Nazi in a past life. Totally fits the MO.
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they need to put some white people in charge
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I am not complaining about receiving a ticket - just or unjust. There was no law to follow in this case. Unless the law is don't park in the city more than once every six months. And a letter of appeal won't suffice.
I really shouldn't be as surprised as I am. This is just typical laziness from the typically incompetent DC government. Their employees don't want to have to do any actual work so they come up with the ridiculous criteria of "you have been spotted parked in the city more than once in a 180 day period" to shift the burden of proof (and the burden of doing all the legwork) onto somebody else.
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It's pretty much to make sure people who have moved into the city aren't skipping out on paying for a residential parking permit.
When I first moved to DC it took forever to get a residential parking permit because to get it, you need your car registered in the district, which needs a dc driver's license, which needs proof of residency, which if one doesn't have a lease and you aren't on any of the utility bills, is a little tough. For those two months I was at work in Maryland most of the day, and so could legally parking all night starting at 6:01pm. Eventually they gave me a ticket for always being parked in the neighborhood but not having any DC plates or parking permit.
I could see how frequenting the 9:30 club a lot (and hence having one's car in the area often at night) might make parking enforcement think you're a registration dodger.
This, pretty much. (Although I think they care less about the $10/year residential parking permit and more about the $72/year registration.)
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Doomie's favorite flavor must be boot black because he often proves how much he just luuuvvves licking boots. ::)
Must have been a hardcore Nazi in a past life. Totally fits the MO.
Wow you really are an asshole.
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If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
And this, pretty much.
I'm currently appealing a ticket that I got while parked on Georgia Avenue for a show at the 9:30 Club on a Thursday night... which turns out to be when there's street cleaning for Georgia Avenue. However, when I went back to the "scene of the crime," it turns out that the parking-related signs closest to where I parked didn't include a sign about the street cleaning.
I think in 9 years in the city, I've received 4 or 5 parking tickets. Two were unjustified; the others were cases where there was a sign and I didn't notice it.
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So if you enter DC more than once every six months you have to register it with them?
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Yes.
And you must renew this privilege every six months.
-If you are a recurring visitor (frequent short term visits) report to a DMV service location and prove non-residency by presenting an original lease, deed or mortgage statement or a utility bill no more than 60-days old. The documents must be in the name of the registered owner of the vehicle. You must also provide a copy of your out-of-state license and vehicle registration. You will then be exempted for a 180-day period.
What happens after the 180-day exemption period?
If you receive another warning notice, you may repeat the exemption process above.
This does seem asinine. They ought to let you fax them the documents, not require you to show up with them in person.
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Doomie's favorite flavor must be boot black because he often proves how much he just luuuvvves licking boots. ::)
Must have been a hardcore Nazi in a past life. Totally fits the MO.
Wow you really are an asshole.
seriously. we were having a nice discussion here, and jagermeister shows up and start calling people nazis (thank you godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)). apparently jag needs a few lessons in civility.
oh, and:
...once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.
(...)
It is generally perceived that falling foul of Godwin's law tends to end up causing the individual making the comparison to lose their argument and/or credibility...
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I just remembered I got a ticket for parking arse in (or was it nose in) down on the river in Georgetown. Eveidently you're only supposed to park **** in, whichever was the opposite of how I parked.
No biggie....but I was in G'town a lot so checked the signs out of interest and there was no notice to park in any particular way so so contested the ticket. I was told "you should've known" which is a typical DC government retarded attitude to take, so I told them they should know I'm not paying their fucking fine.
I never heard a peep from them over it.
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so contested the ticket. I was told "you should've known" which is a typical DC government retarded attitude to take, so I told them they should know I'm not paying their fucking fine.
I never heard a peep from them over it.
now THAT is a court date i would have paid good money to be in the audience. i'm sure it was awesome, from a third-party perspective ;D
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Guess they don't want our business then.
I always hear this "I guess they don't want our business" argument. But in case anyone hasn't noticed, DC is booming, like almost no other city in the nation. It's a pretty well established notion that people who bitch on the internet generally don't actually *do* anything -- and if one or two people stop coming to DC that's not going to have any impact.
The reason I have no sympathy for parking complainers is that I have a car in the city and I generally get one ticket every 5 years or so. If you bother to follow the law, once in a long while you'll get unjustly ticketed (and it's easy enough to write a letter and get it dropped) -- but it's overwhelmingly the case that most tickets are earned.
You do know without the federal government paying all that money to DC and the government jobs and governement contracts due to the out of control federal government spending DC would be a wasteland?
ANd the reason you don't get tickets is that the DC parking enforcers are instructed to ticket VA and MD licenced vehicles and not DC and other states.
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ANd the reason you don't get tickets is that the DC parking enforcers are instructed to ticket VA and MD licenced vehicles and not DC and other states.
Can you please say more about this?
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Doomie's favorite flavor must be boot black because he often proves how much he just luuuvvves licking boots. ::)
Must have been a hardcore Nazi in a past life. Totally fits the MO.
Wow you really are an asshole.
seriously. we were having a nice discussion here, and jagermeister shows up and start calling people nazis (thank you godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)). apparently jag needs a few lessons in civility.
Leave it to the 3 Stooges to stick together when it comes to kissing ass and boot licking!
Btw, the animosity began when Doom went off spewing his typical contempt towards anyone outside of the District proper. ::)
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I actually got a wrongful ticket about 3 weeks ago. But instead of bitching about it, and equating parking enforcement to Nazism, I sent a letter in, and got a card saying my case is being "adjudicated." In a few weeks I expect to hear back that the ticket has been dropped. On to the next white whine.
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^ Well, good for you! Seriously.
Unfortunately, it's not always that easy for many others. Obviously, there's a problem in the area that needs to be addressed so as not to unfairly suck money, time and stress out of lots of people, be they local or just across the beltway.
A good whine is therapeutic and helps to communicate the problem which may result in a solution. Sucking it up and letting them get away with it only allows them to take even more liberties with and from us.
A good wine can be good for the nerves and pleasant for the palate. Cheers!
Christine, several years ago, I got the very same ticket, probably in the same place. The damn sign was halfway down the street! Hope you win this one! Let us know.
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wow, twice in 180 days constitutes a "habitual offender", or someone who possibly lives there??? not that I drive into DC daily, or possibly even monthly, sometimes I take the Metro, but I know it's more than twice every six months..... this type of "enforcement" is not specific to DC, way back in the day, I had to live in a "month to month" apartment rental community in Columbia while waiting to be able to move into my new home, and apparently the MD authorities would troll the parking lots there to see if the same "out of state" cars were parked there nightly....... the difference, of course, is that it was a RESIDENTIAL community, no reason to be there nightly unless you lived there, as opposed to parking on the street in a business area, right next to a nightclub and numerous restaurants, that'll draw MD-VA residents on a nightly basis.....
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I actually got a wrongful ticket about 3 weeks ago. But instead of bitching about it, and equating parking enforcement to Nazism, I sent a letter in, and got a card saying my case is being "adjudicated." In a few weeks I expect to hear back that the ticket has been dropped. On to the next white whine.
...so...are you in favor of the policy that kicked off this thread or not?
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I just remembered I got a ticket for parking arse in (or was it nose in) down on the river in Georgetown. Eveidently you're only supposed to park **** in, whichever was the opposite of how I parked.
No biggie....but I was in G'town a lot so checked the signs out of interest and there was no notice to park in any particular way so so contested the ticket. I was told "you should've known" which is a typical DC government retarded attitude to take, so I told them they should know I'm not paying their fucking fine.
I never heard a peep from them over it.
I know whereabouts you refer. It's back in only (arse). There is a sign - one - a small one at that - facing out (toward opposing traffic) placed at the first parking space. Yet, there are 50 or so parking spaces down the line, so if you parked further away, there is no way you would see it. People get tickets there (or did, I don't know if some of those spaces are still there) all the time. And the sign went missing or crumpled from something, so again, know what your are talking about and it was a joke w/ meter maids running about and irate people all day. (bldg used to face there)
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...... the difference, of course, is that it was a RESIDENTIAL community, no reason to be there nightly unless you lived there, as opposed to parking on the street in a business area, right next to a nightclub and numerous restaurants, that'll draw MD-VA residents on a nightly basis.....
are the tickets only placed around businesses such as the above? (offices do not apply?/certain areas of dc?)
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...... the difference, of course, is that it was a RESIDENTIAL community, no reason to be there nightly unless you lived there, as opposed to parking on the street in a business area, right next to a nightclub and numerous restaurants, that'll draw MD-VA residents on a nightly basis.....
are the tickets only placed around businesses such as the above? (offices do not apply?/certain areas of dc?)
Even residential communities have their visitors. In this day and age, it's not in the least uncommon for one to spend the night with one's lover who may live on the other side of the line.
Regarding DC, there's also those who work at night and can't even take the Metro home due to it not operating after certain hours. Lots and lots of different scenarios. This is definitely a very flawed policy and made worse by some over-zealous patrols and/or quotas types of bosses. Seems they would need more than 2 occasions, even 2 days apart, to rightfully nab someone for such an offense.
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...... the difference, of course, is that it was a RESIDENTIAL community, no reason to be there nightly unless you lived there, as opposed to parking on the street in a business area, right next to a nightclub and numerous restaurants, that'll draw MD-VA residents on a nightly basis.....
are the tickets only placed around businesses such as the above? (offices do not apply?/certain areas of dc?)
Even residential communities have their visitors. In this day and age, it's not in the least uncommon for one to spend the night with one's lover who may live on the other side of the line.
Regarding DC, there's also those who work at night and can't even take the Metro home due to it not operating after certain hours. Lots and lots of different scenarios. This is definitely a very flawed policy and made worse by some over-zealous patrols and/or quotas types of bosses. Seems they would need more than 2 occasions, even 2 days apart, to rightfully nab someone for such an offense.
agreed..... I just can't imagine having to register my car for a 6 month exemption simply because I have a friend that lives in DC..... and then there's the fact that the 930 Club is right next to a University, which, no matter what college you're near, there are always lots of cars with out of state plates.....
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yeah people who spend $ to drink and bring revenue to DC and then NOT drive home drunk and stay at a friend's...
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"Gee, honey. Things seem to be getting serious between us. Maybe we should take our relationship to the next phase. Tomorrow morning, bright and early, I'm going to apply for a 6 month non-resident parking exemption! That is, if you'll have me."
The following week, all the girls coo over their work mate's lover's parking exemption.
Then some will go as far as having parking exemption parties and dinners. Of course, only the very immediate locals and those who haven't been in the area in the past 6 months will be able to attend.
The guys will be ragging on the male with 'ball and chain' jokes while secretly envying his parking exemption status.
Right out of some weird futurist science fiction novel.
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"Gee, honey. Things seem to be getting serious between us. Maybe we should take our relationship to the next phase. Tomorrow morning, bright and early, I'm going to apply for a 6 month non-resident parking exemption! That is, if you'll have me."
The following week, all the girls coo over their work mate's lover's parking exemption.
Then some will go as far as having parking exemption parties and dinners. Of course, only the very immediate locals and those who haven't been in the area in the past 6 months will be able to attend.
The guys will be ragging on the male with 'ball and chain' jokes while secretly envying his parking exemption status.
Right out of some weird futurist science fiction novel.
ha!!! glad I wasn't sipping my beer when I read this, it'd be all over the computer now......
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"Gee, honey. Things seem to be getting serious between us. Maybe we should take our relationship to the next phase. Tomorrow morning, bright and early, I'm going to apply for a 6 month non-resident parking exemption! That is, if you'll have me."
brilliant.
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the indignant over the top bleating about this is just amazing... suck it up or stay away...
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the indignant over the top bleating about this is just amazing... suck it up or stay away...
You sound like Rhett when he used to live in the district.
BTW - it's no secret that MD, VA and DC cops target cars from the other two *states for tickets. That's been going on for years.
* I consider DC a state because after all...it's in a right fucking state.
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DC should have a sensible commuter tax that allows the city to recoup its costs for catering to suburbanites all day. Because that will never happen, I say soak the MD/VA folks as much as possible.
Sure, that results in individual absurdities like this situation, but it's no more absurd than DC residents subsidizing suburbanites for using their city to the tune of more than $1 billion annually.
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DC should have a sensible commuter tax that allows the city to recoup its costs for catering to suburbanites all day. Because that will never happen, I say soak the MD/VA folks as much as possible.
Sure, that results in individual absurdities like this situation, but it's no more absurd than DC residents subsidizing suburbanites for using their city to the tune of more than $1 billion annually.
bingo.
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I say MD and VA should claim the land back they donated to establish DC and fuck the lot of you townies.
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Was I really once one of those douchey white DC guys? I hang my head in shame.
the indignant over the top bleating about this is just amazing... suck it up or stay away...
You sound like Rhett when he used to live in the district.
BTW - it's no secret that MD, VA and DC cops target cars from the other two *states for tickets. That's been going on for years.
* I consider DC a state because after all...it's in a right fucking state.
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the indignant over the top bleating about this is just amazing... suck it up or stay away...
What's amazing is the depths to which your DC apologism will sink.
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DC should have a sensible commuter tax that allows the city to recoup its costs for catering to suburbanites all day. Because that will never happen, I say soak the MD/VA folks as much as possible.
Sure, that results in individual absurdities like this situation, but it's no more absurd than DC residents subsidizing suburbanites for using their city to the tune of more than $1 billion annually.
I wonder how much of the lost income tax is recouped by retail dollars, foodservice dollars, sales tax, and a million other revenue streams i can't think of right now.
Face it - DC needs the populations of MD and NOVA to survive. You can talk about lost jobs to suburbanites all day long, but it's not like DC has a population that could even come close to staffing it...
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Face it - DC needs the populations of MD and NOVA to survive. You can talk about lost jobs to suburbanites all day long, but it's not like DC has a population that could even come close to staffing it...
That's true, but the populations of MD and NOVA need DC in order to have interesting lives. For every 1 person on the internet saying "I'll take my business elsewhere," there are 100 who won't... and 9 out of 10 of the people who say that are just blowing smoke and aren't going anywhere.
Face it -- even in the worst of the Marion Barry years, MD and VA people continued to throng in here. So the District asserting its right to not give non-taxpayers free amenities is not going to drive people away, other than a handful of cranks who believe it's their Constitutional right to have free stuff.
It's a well established rule that the amount of time people spend bitching on the internet about a particular issue is inversely proportional to the probability that they will actually do anything about it.
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Let's make a deal. Move all of the jobs, especially the Fed jobs, way out of DC into the outer parts of Maryland and Virginia. Lord knows, there's plenty of people out of work now and would love a chance at some job creation. (Personally, I'd like to put dibs on Maryland receiving all of the museums and Arts organizations. Virginia, you are welcome to take the IRS and money works.)
In the bargain, we'll stay out of the District.
All private businesses will have the freedom to remain or move with the money.
Now, let's see how you all do when fending for yourselves with no help from us.
That also means that DC would forfeit all the extra Fed money they get for being the Capital. Where the Hell do you think you get all that money anyway!? People in Iowa certainly aren't getting their money's worth!
Some of you cringeworthy snobs seem to think that you are giving money away to these employees and forget that working for pay is a trade off of sorts. Or maybe you would prefer that all employees live in the District. Try that and see how super crowded it gets, not to mention what it will do to rents and mortgages. You think they are ridiculous now? Try looking at something crazy like $6,000/month for a broken down tiny 1 bedroom without an elevator!
Hoya, you and your ilk will be required to pay the Troll a tax to cross over the Beltway since you just love bilking the people so much. Put your own wallet where your mouth is!
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Isn't there DC sales tax on beer, restaurant food and hookers?
If MD & VA folk weren't coming to your shitty little town to eat and drink you'd be fucked...so you should thank them and blow them like your hookers do for keeping your city 'just' out of the third world.
Even your runny-catchy team moved out to the suburbs, and that was the only thing DC had to brag about.
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Face it - DC needs the populations of MD and NOVA to survive. You can talk about lost jobs to suburbanites all day long, but it's not like DC has a population that could even come close to staffing it...
That's true, but the populations of MD and NOVA need DC in order to have interesting lives. For every 1 person on the internet saying "I'll take my business elsewhere," there are 100 who won't... and 9 out of 10 of the people who say that are just blowing smoke and aren't going anywhere.
Face it -- even in the worst of the Marion Barry years, MD and VA people continued to throng in here. So the District asserting its right to not give non-taxpayers free amenities is not going to drive people away, other than a handful of cranks who believe it's their Constitutional right to have free stuff.
It's a well established rule that the amount of time people spend bitching on the internet about a particular issue is inversely proportional to the probability that they will actually do anything about it.
I don't think anyone here is saying they will take their business elsewhere. Theres no action being proposed by me except to say that the policy outlined in the beginning of this thread is fucking STUPID and I think anyone who finds it to be reasonable is equally stupid, at least where this is concerned.
Does that include you? I don't know. You still have not weighed in on that.
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seriously. we were having a nice discussion here, and jagermeister shows up and start calling people nazis (thank you godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)). apparently jag needs a few lessons in civility.
oh, and:
...once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.
(...)
It is generally perceived that falling foul of Godwin's law tends to end up causing the individual making the comparison to lose their argument and/or credibility...
So are Nazi cats part of Godwin's Law or a totally different law?
(http://misfit120.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nazi-cat.jpg)
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Question for the D.C. residents: Are you embarrassed by the people who run your city?
No, Virginia is as bad. They troll apt complex parking lots, etc. AND, if you have not filed proof with the state that you have moved, they try to collect state taxes from you. Just did this to a friend who's been in SUDAN, IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN working for the state dept on behalf of our country for 8 years. VA's put a lien on her for back taxes from 1999. She hasn't lived in VA in over 12 years. Once she started telling people, this has happened to others who end up just paying or settling.
Absofuckingabsurd.
They all do it.
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By the way, this parking thing is ABSURD as well, absolutely. That said, none of my VA friends who come visit me quite often, or come to the 9:30 Club, have ever gotten this pseudo-warning ticket thing.
The only two parking tix I've gotten in past 4 years were unjust -- they think you won't notice or fight it.
Oh, except for one I 'earned.' You get a ticket if you have not REMOVED the previous year's registration tag in your windshield. Completely bullshit revenue tool...
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(Although I think they care less about the $10/year residential parking permit and more about the $72/year registration.)
Registration AND taxes on the car! I don't think they care about residential permits at all.
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I don't think anyone here is saying they will take their business elsewhere. Theres no action being proposed by me except to say that the policy outlined in the beginning of this thread is fucking STUPID and I think anyone who finds it to be reasonable is equally stupid, at least where this is concerned.
Does that include you? I don't know. You still have not weighed in on that.
I think it makes sense to try to nab people who are living here without registering, and one of the only ways to do that is to watch for cars that park here all the time. Since GGW is the only person I have ever heard of so far who has experienced this, and he admitted that he parks here a lot, it seems reasonable. If they were nabbing everybody who parked more than once in a 180 day period, that would be ridiculous.
Beyond that, I am highly skeptical of the description of any regulation described on this board, especially with people like Jaguar around believing in lizard people and equating parking enforcement to Nazism. So that's a second reason why I'm not too worried about this.
As for DC versus suburbs... as usual it is a false dichotomy. in many suburban neighborhoods near bar areas, like Clarendon, you can't park on side streets at all if you don't live there. All neighborhoods near bar/restaurant areas struggle with this same issue, regardless of locality, and the tendency is to favor the people who actually pay taxes there.
Finally, these type of restrictions are usually brought on by neighborhoods, not by lizard people or officials with aspirations of Nazism. And it comes about because people get sick of coming home and finding no spaces on the street they're paying taxes for.
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seriously. we were having a nice discussion here, and jagermeister shows up and start calling people nazis (thank you godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)). apparently jag needs a few lessons in civility.
oh, and:
...once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.
(...)
It is generally perceived that falling foul of Godwin's law tends to end up causing the individual making the comparison to lose their argument and/or credibility...
So are Nazi cats part of Godwin's Law or a totally different law?
(http://misfit120.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nazi-cat.jpg)
Ok, this one made me laugh ;D
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"Gee, honey. Things seem to be getting serious between us. Maybe we should take our relationship to the next phase. Tomorrow morning, bright and early, I'm going to apply for a 6 month non-resident parking exemption! That is, if you'll have me."
Please.
Any self-respecting man would make her go down and get the permit for him, you know, if she really wanted this relationship, then leave her after she does citing her lack of self respect.
Repeat this cycle every 6 months.
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I don't think anyone here is saying they will take their business elsewhere. Theres no action being proposed by me except to say that the policy outlined in the beginning of this thread is fucking STUPID and I think anyone who finds it to be reasonable is equally stupid, at least where this is concerned.
Does that include you? I don't know. You still have not weighed in on that.
I think it makes sense to try to nab people who are living here without registering, and one of the only ways to do that is to watch for cars that park here all the time. Since GGW is the only person I have ever heard of so far who has experienced this, and he admitted that he parks here a lot, it seems reasonable. If they were nabbing everybody who parked more than once in a 180 day period, that would be ridiculous.
Beyond that, I am highly skeptical of the description of any regulation described on this board, especially with people like Jaguar around believing in lizard people and equating parking enforcement to Nazism. So that's a second reason why I'm not too worried about this.
As for DC versus suburbs... in many suburban neighborhoods near bar areas, like Clarendon, you can't park on side streets at all if you don't live there.
Finally, these type of restrictions are usually brought on by neighborhoods, not by lizard people or officials with aspirations of Nazism. And it comes about because people get sick of coming home and finding no spaces on the street they're paying taxes for.
Huh?....equating parking enforecement to Nazism? I've never met a Rita the Meter Maid who wasn't a fucking Nazi....They are lower on the cop food chain than mall cops, and very bitter about it.
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I don't think anyone here is saying they will take their business elsewhere. Theres no action being proposed by me except to say that the policy outlined in the beginning of this thread is fucking STUPID and I think anyone who finds it to be reasonable is equally stupid, at least where this is concerned.
Does that include you? I don't know. You still have not weighed in on that.
I think it makes sense to try to nab people who are living here without registering, and one of the only ways to do that is to watch for cars that park here all the time. Since GGW is the only person I have ever heard of so far who has experienced this, and he admitted that he parks here a lot, it seems reasonable. If they were nabbing everybody who parked more than once in a 180 day period, that would be ridiculous.
Beyond that, I am highly skeptical of the description of any regulation described on this board, especially with people like Jaguar around believing in lizard people and equating parking enforcement to Nazism. So that's a second reason why I'm not too worried about this.
As for DC versus suburbs... as usual it is a false dichotomy. in many suburban neighborhoods near bar areas, like Clarendon, you can't park on side streets at all if you don't live there. All neighborhoods near bar/restaurant areas struggle with this same issue, regardless of locality, and the tendency is to favor the people who actually pay taxes there.
Finally, these type of restrictions are usually brought on by neighborhoods, not by lizard people or officials with aspirations of Nazism. And it comes about because people get sick of coming home and finding no spaces on the street they're paying taxes for.
Thanks for your measured and reasonable response!
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Huh?....equating parking enforecement to Nazism? I've never met a Rita the Meter Maid who wasn't a fucking Nazi....They are lower on the cop food chain than mall cops, and very bitter about it.
Most of them have a serious chip on their shoulder, that much is true... don't think most of them advocate exterminating entire peoples, though.
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Beyond that, I am highly skeptical of the description of any regulation described on this board, especially with people like Jaguar around believing in lizard people and equating parking enforcement to Nazism. So that's a second reason why I'm not too worried about this.
Yet again you prove how poor your reading comprehension is since I've over and over stated in the past that I don't believe in Lizard people. But that doesn't fit your extremely bigoted mindset so you keep throwing it against the wall hoping it will stick. Forget it, ya nasty old curmudgeon!
In fact, when it comes to bigotry, you have proven over and over again that you are probably the most bigoted person on this entire forum! If one is not exactly like you in some regard, you often curse them with death or throw some other venomous crap their way. God forbid that someone appears in anyway to be a hippy in your over-controlled freaked out world. No such thing as tolerance of others who are different in your life. You often curse and throw hate towards anyone outside of DC as though you are some paradigm of virtue. Ha! Quite to opposite. The phrase 'Ugly American' comes to mind, in fact. Total bigoted arrogance!
You know, each of these areas in question charge something for tags and such. Maryland forces you to pay for 2 years at a time which sure as Hell doesn't make it all that cost effective. What in the world is DC doing to make one prefer to maintain a plate from elsewhere?
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(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-cats-have-a-lazy-fight.jpg)
;D
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They're either lazy or out stealin' cars and leavin' them in DC!
(http://www.citycatclinic.com/images/cat_driving_car.jpg)
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Jag, you seem to have misunderstood my point (shocking, I know) -- the concept of a commuter tax is a pretty straightforward public policy tool used in this country and in many others to balance the equities of providing municipal services to people who don't reside in the jurisdiction in which they work -- I couldn't really tell from your rambling response, but it seems like you disagree generally with levying such a tax. Why?
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Hoya, you and your ilk will be required to pay the Troll a tax to cross over the Beltway since you just love bilking the people so much. Put your own wallet where your mouth is!
I'm not really sure what any of this means, but I generally support government efforts to make the cost of driving more accurately reflect its societal costs, through methods such as increased gasoline taxes, tolling of roads and other infrastructure, and parking fees
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Nah Hoya, I knew what you were saying. Didn't mean to place any anger your way as you were only stating your beliefs without the hate filled rant towards outsiders.
You are right that I don't agree with them, mostly because I lean towards thinking that it's misguided and restricts one's freedom; albeit, financial; to move about. To be honest, I guess I'd have to see real figures, not cooked books, that prove their worth towards all. Not just select groups either. Besides, as I stated earlier, if you want to concentrate large amounts of employment in such a small area, then you either allow some (without the financial and time management burdens they already put up with via commuting) to live outside the area or you accept the extra burden of how it would impact the community if most or all lived within the confines. Ultimately, I do think that some of the mass concentrations of employment should be shared throughout the country yet I recognize it would also have it's own issues to deal with if they were spread out.
I just don't think it's fair to punish those living outside the area when the infra-structure won't really allow for all of them. Besides, they do manage to leave some of their money THAT THEY EARN, in the area while inside. It's one of those ideas that I consider being very misguided and short-sighted.
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You get a ticket if you have not REMOVED the previous year's registration tag in your windshield.
Wow, I didn't know this.
I usually remove mine fairly promptly anyway, but I thought it was an aesthetic concern; I didn't know it was a requirement.
I feel like I've seen some cars with not just their previous registration sticker but also the one preceding it!
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You get a ticket if you have not REMOVED the previous year's registration tag in your windshield.
Wow, I didn't know this.
I usually remove mine fairly promptly anyway, but I thought it was an aesthetic concern; I didn't know it was a requirement.
I feel like I've seen some cars with not just their previous registration sticker but also the one preceding it!
So wait, in the real world, what kind of a problem does this cause? Well, besides it breaking some stupid regulation. Is it really that difficult for their little patrols to do their job with the inclusion of older stickers?
See, this is the kind of petty stuff that pisses many of us off.
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I have four registration stickers on my car, which is lame but it is what it is, and I've never been nailed for it. We get parking tickets all the time but have never been dinged for that.
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You get a ticket if you have not REMOVED the previous year's registration tag in your windshield.
Wow, I didn't know this.
I usually remove mine fairly promptly anyway, but I thought it was an aesthetic concern; I didn't know it was a requirement.
I feel like I've seen some cars with not just their previous registration sticker but also the one preceding it!
My neighbour still has her 2004 VA window sticker on her truck....just say'n! ;D
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I find it interesting that we "suburbanites" are characterized as takers, and not contributing to DC's coffers..... EVERY single time I go into DC, it's basically to spend money in one way or another, either at a concert, restaurant, ballgame, etc, and I'm pretty sure the DC gov't get's its
kickbacks taxes on what I spend..... I certainly don't head in to drive around on DC's wonderfully maintained roads all day for kicks and then head back home......
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^ Exactly!
Then when you consider the high percentage of Federal jobs that 'some' of the residents seem to believe are being paid out from their pockets. Okay, they do contribute but so do the people in all 50 states (via taxes, fees, etc.) and then some! At least the District and its residents profit and have income in many ways by being the home to these jobs. Then there's the money spent by the workers within the District in many different ways. In fact, DC is one of the only parts of the US that is not hurting so drastically right now with this horrendous economy, thanks to all of those Federal jobs that all 50 outside of the District and various visitors and other entities pay for.
Guess it's just the typical DCcratic mentality that expects all 50 to 'contribute' but damned if any of us receive any of the goods.
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Beyond that, I am highly skeptical of the description of any regulation described on this board
http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/registration/ROSA.shtm
the camera cars scan plates in "residential" areas. if you are flagged twice within 180 days, you are issued a warning telling you that you need to register. that registration lasts one year. you can do it in person, through the mail, or online.
several people at the club, including me, have had to go through this process since our neighborhood became "residential."
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thus puts this issue to bed...
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right, not that it will stop people from arguing with each other like dickheads...
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Isn't that what the internet is for?
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Isn't that what the internet is for?
empirically, the internet is for the delivery of porn and pictures of cats. and arguments.
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Isn't that what the internet is for?
empirically, the internet is for the delivery of porn and pictures of cats. and arguments.
and destroying record companies and allowing trite "indie" rock bands to take their place
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several people at the club, including me, have had to go through this process since our neighborhood became "residential."
Does the club not have private parking that its staff can use?
And you do understand how a neighborhood "becomes residential?" It's not something the city declares on its own because they want to rake in more bucks. The people in the neighborhood have to petition for it. And since that's a PITA in itself, ya gotta figure that the club and bar parking was getting outta hand. It sucks to have to register your car, it also sucks to come home to your own neighborhood and not be able to park.
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god i sound so snobby . . . but when i come to dc i only park in the places's lot, in a parking garage, or use valet. i never park on the street. never. there are people wondering around in those places. and the streets have no name; even bono knows that.
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What are they wondering about?
god i sound so snobby . . . but when i come to dc i only park in the places's lot, in a parking garage, or use valet. i never park on the street. never. there are people wondering around in those places. and the streets have no name; even bono knows that.
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Does the club not have private parking that its staff can use?
And you do understand how a neighborhood "becomes residential?" It's not something the city declares on its own because they want to rake in more bucks. The people in the neighborhood have to petition for it. And since that's a PITA in itself, ya gotta figure that the club and bar parking was getting outta hand. It sucks to have to register your car, it also sucks to come home to your own neighborhood and not be able to park.
the club has some parking for the staph, and we recently had to come up with new options after a major overhaul of the street parking rules on 9th st. i assume it's all related to the condos in the area, but i don't know for certain.
the neighborhood is changing after 15 years. gotta roll with the punches.
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What are they wondering about?
god i sound so snobby . . . but when i come to dc i only park in the places's lot, in a parking garage, or use valet. i never park on the street. never. there are people wondering around in those places. and the streets have no name; even bono knows that.
the a and the o always get me.
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the neighborhood is changing after 15 years. gotta roll with the punches.
Yeah... ironically the changes are probably in big part due to the presence of the club... both the Black Cat and the 930 were urban pioneers in their spaces.
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^ Fully agree with this along with gentrification of many areas.
As much as these things have improved the District, it's also brought on its own set of problems. Reasonable, affordable and effective urban planning is never as easy or ideal as the original plans work on paper.
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ride a bicylcle. take the train.
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ride a bicylcle. take the train.
get run over by a car. get beat up by a group of teenagers.
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ride a bicylcle. take the train.
Many already do; however, these options are not at all practical for many... or even an available option in some cases.
You could just as easily argue that those who choose to live in a compacted urban environment should not own, or even need, a car (often more than one per household). That idea is also a very short-sighted idea, especially considering that these people too sometimes need a vehicle for reasons that the available transportation system doesn't provide for.
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That idea is also a very short-sighted idea, especially considering that these people too sometimes need a vehicle for reasons that the available transportation system doesn't provide for.
Yes. Soundgarden in Fairfax is Exhibit A.
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It's not uncommon around the Black Cat area for them to pull that crap of saying they've observed your car. They tried doing that to a friend of mine who was visiting for the first time into DC. Bored cops with nothing better to do (yes cops do this, not parking enforcement) so they're sitting in the Parks and Recs lots and running tags.
While I have lived in DC for quite some time, I finally caved in to become a resident. I had had enough of beating the system getting ROSA exemption status and having meetings with Parking Enforcement to show the new hires that certain spots are exempt from the 2-hour resident rule.
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^ Exactly!
Then when you consider the high percentage of Federal jobs that 'some' of the residents seem to believe are being paid out from their pockets. Okay, they do contribute but so do the people in all 50 states (via taxes, fees, etc.) and then some! At least the District and its residents profit and have income in many ways by being the home to these jobs.
Yes... but D.C. is also hindered by having a weaker tax base than many other cities, on account of all of those federal agencies being tax-exempt.