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Title: REM=DEAD
Post by: redsock on September 21, 2011, 02:31:55 pm
This was mentioned elsewhere, but it deserves its own thread.

I realize they were largely irrelevant since the late 90's (or earlier for some of you) but whether you liked them or not, their music and the way they handled themselves (both as DIY'ers and when they moved to a big label) have affected most of the bands we all know and love now. Especially in DC where the ethos in the early 80's directly paralleled what was going on in Athens in many ways, even if the music was very different.

We should pay our respects.
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Post by: chaz on September 21, 2011, 02:33:27 pm
RESPEC!

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36724/1102409-ali_g_super.jpg)
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Post by: K8teebug on September 21, 2011, 02:48:18 pm
I am so sad.  They are my favorite.  It seemed like it was over when they didn't tour on Collapse Into Now (and some of the songs suggested as such), but it's still sad!

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Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 21, 2011, 02:48:39 pm
Who?
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 21, 2011, 02:51:28 pm
Who?

Didn't know they were still together...
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Post by: serpent boy on September 21, 2011, 03:00:44 pm
I'll forever regret not seeing the Vote for Change Finale show in 2004 at the (then) MCI Center. Instead I went to the Pearl Jam show in Reading, PA a week earlier and decided not to skip grad school class two weeks in a row.

R.E.M. only played 5 songs (The One I Love, Begin the Begin, Leaving New York, Losing My Religion, and Man on the Moon), but it would've been worth it. Plus, the almighty Pearl Jam played "Bushleaguer" at the show, and I've still never seen it. :(

Great band. I'm gonna spin Monster today in their honor.
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Post by: Vas Deferens on September 21, 2011, 03:04:59 pm
their last good album was Monster.
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Post by: hutch on September 21, 2011, 03:05:07 pm
I'll forever regret not seeing the Vote for Change Finale show in 2004 at the (then) MCI Center. Instead I went to the Pearl Jam show in Reading, PA a week earlier and decided not to skip grad school class two weeks in a row.

R.E.M. only played 5 songs (The One I Love, Begin the Begin, Leaving New York, Losing My Religion, and Man on the Moon), but it would've been worth it. Plus, the almighty Pearl Jam played "Bushleaguer" at the show, and I've still never seen it. :(

Great band. I'm gonna spin Monster today in their honor.

I was at the Vote for Change Finale.. yeah, we all make mistakes.. that was a great show! Stipe also came out and sang with Springsteen on Because the Night..
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Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 21, 2011, 03:07:09 pm
Putting my baby boomer (TM) nostalgia glasses on.....

Even if some (most) of their later albums didn't meet the standars of their earlier stuff...

A.)  I think history will treat everything after "New Adventures In Hi-Fi" in a better light in a few years.
You know, like "Presence" with Zep.  Quieter, more experimental.  Like Scott Walker albums.

B.) Their only real contemporaries were U2.  And I'd take the worst R.E.M. album over anything U2 ever did except Achtung Baby. 

Brian

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Post by: Justin Tonation on September 21, 2011, 03:10:55 pm
Saw them four times, including the loudest show I ever attended (courtesy mostly of Dream Syndicate). Met them at an in-store at Penguin Feather in Greenbelt between opening gigs for The Police. I kinda lost track of them after Monster but their IRS days are dear to me.
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 21, 2011, 03:21:03 pm
Saw them four times, including the loudest show I ever attended (courtesy mostly of Dream Syndicate). Met them at an in-store at Penguin Feather in Greenbelt between opening gigs for The Police. I kinda lost track of them after Monster but their IRS days are dear to me.

The music industry lost track of them after Monster.

This is the biggest non-news music story since the Wombles disbanded
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Post by: hutch on September 21, 2011, 03:24:47 pm
I have to say I never really liked them very much.. could not understand and can't understand why for a couple of years every single college kids listened to them
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Post by: ggw on September 21, 2011, 03:33:36 pm
On a road-trip down to Georgia earlier this year, I listened (in chronological order by release date, of course) to every album from Chronic Town through Document.  It was awesome.  The band started to lose me with Green (which i find kind of hit-or-miss) and completely lost me with Monster.   Haven't really cared for anything they released after that.  Maybe some of it is "good" or "interesting" but I think it all pales in comparison to those first seven albums (five albums, an EP, and a compilation if you want to get technical about it).
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Post by: Justin Tonation on September 21, 2011, 03:46:02 pm
This is the biggest non-news music story since the Wombles disbanded

Trending on Twitter, but you knew that....
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Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 21, 2011, 03:50:55 pm
On a road-trip down to Georgia earlier this year, I listened (in chronological order by release date, of course) to every album from Chronic Town through Document.  It was awesome.  The band started to lose me with Green (which i find kind of hit-or-miss) and completely lost me with Monster.   Haven't really cared for anything they released after that.  Maybe some of it is "good" or "interesting" but I think it all pales in comparison to those first seven albums (five albums, an EP, and a compilation if you want to get technical about it).

I think "Green" and "New Adventures In Hi-Fi" are really underrated.  Especially "Green."  The singles are probably my least favorite songs on that album.  "World Leader Pretend".  How can you declare an album "hit-or-miss" that contains one of the best first lines ever ("I am not the type of dog that could keep you waiting for no good reason/Run a carbon-black test on my jaw and you will find it's all been said before.")  Top THAT lyric, Bono!  You can't!  You just CAN'T.  I don't care if you cure cancer/successfully convince the world you're not bald and 5'4".

Jeez.  I have to listen to "I Remember California."  RIGHT NOW!  That's one of the great lost R.E.M. songs.  You either get that one or not.  So mysterious and evocative.  Like a Steely Dan song, if Steely Dan had surfed.

Brian
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 21, 2011, 03:58:52 pm

R.E.M. are one of the greatest bands ever just for this quote from Michael Stipe: "?I've always referred to the Beatles as elevator music, because that's exactly what they were."

Brian
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2011, 04:03:34 pm
On a road-trip down to Georgia earlier this year, I listened (in chronological order by release date, of course) to every album from Chronic Town through Document.  It was awesome.  The band started to lose me with Green (which i find kind of hit-or-miss) and completely lost me with Monster.   Haven't really cared for anything they released after that.  Maybe some of it is "good" or "interesting" but I think it all pales in comparison to those first seven albums (five albums, an EP, and a compilation if you want to get technical about it).

I think "Green" and "New Adventures In Hi-Fi" are really underrated.  Especially "Green."  The singles are probably my least favorite songs on that album.  "World Leader Pretend".  How can you declare an album "hit-or-miss" that contains one of the best first lines ever ("I am not the type of dog that could keep you waiting for no good reason/Run a carbon-black test on my jaw and you will find it's all been said before.")  Top THAT lyric, Bono!  You can't!  You just CAN'T.  I don't care if you cure cancer/successfully convince the world you're not bald and 5'4".

Jeez.  I have to listen to "I Remember California."  RIGHT NOW!  That's one of the great lost R.E.M. songs.  You either get that one or not.  So mysterious and evocative.  Like a Steely Dan song, if Steely Dan had surfed.

Brian


world leader pretend is great but stand is an abomination.. thats why its "hit or miss", no?
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Post by: evilizac on September 21, 2011, 04:05:55 pm
. . . I still smile when I hear Don't Go Back to Rockville . . .
I loved when the Comcast was playing old Rockpalast and they had their set and Michael climbed on some large hairy sweaty German man at the front of the crowd while singing behind closed doors . . . Awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJKOb_rQVvY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLA5FA758BE40D31A5
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 21, 2011, 04:13:51 pm

R.E.M. are one of the greatest bands ever just for this quote from Michael Stipe: "?I've always referred to the Beatles as elevator music, because that's exactly what they were."

Brian

Wow. I just developed a whole new respect for Stipe and REM.
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Post by: hutch on September 21, 2011, 04:22:20 pm
I still vommit when I hear Shiny Happy People.
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Post by: wml7 on September 21, 2011, 04:25:35 pm
They were one of my must see bands and first time I saw them was in New Orleans for Voodoo Fest and it was awesome.  Saw them again at Merriweather like two years ago.  Always an entertaining live show  ;D
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Post by: evilizac on September 21, 2011, 04:25:50 pm
I still vommit when I hear Shiny Happy People.
That too . . . Green is alright . . . awesomely alright. Pop song 89 playing right now. In my itunes it's the first of their albums that's classified as "Alternative". . . just an aside.
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Post by: ggw on September 21, 2011, 04:28:33 pm
On a road-trip down to Georgia earlier this year, I listened (in chronological order by release date, of course) to every album from Chronic Town through Document.  It was awesome.  The band started to lose me with Green (which i find kind of hit-or-miss) and completely lost me with Monster.   Haven't really cared for anything they released after that.  Maybe some of it is "good" or "interesting" but I think it all pales in comparison to those first seven albums (five albums, an EP, and a compilation if you want to get technical about it).

I think "Green" and "New Adventures In Hi-Fi" are really underrated.  Especially "Green."  The singles are probably my least favorite songs on that album.  "World Leader Pretend".  How can you declare an album "hit-or-miss" that contains one of the best first lines ever ("I am not the type of dog that could keep you waiting for no good reason/Run a carbon-black test on my jaw and you will find it's all been said before.")  Top THAT lyric, Bono!  You can't!  You just CAN'T.  I don't care if you cure cancer/successfully convince the world you're not bald and 5'4".

Jeez.  I have to listen to "I Remember California."  RIGHT NOW!  That's one of the great lost R.E.M. songs.  You either get that one or not.  So mysterious and evocative.  Like a Steely Dan song, if Steely Dan had surfed.

Brian

I'll gladly give you I Remember California, World Leader Pretend, Turn You Inside Out, and Orange Crush.  Stand sounds like a crappy children's song.  Much of the rest is just passable and the mandolin and accordion schtick gets a little tiring.

And I find Stipe to be a narcissistic, fatuous ass.
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 21, 2011, 04:31:27 pm
I still vommit when I hear Shiny Happy People.

I got over that. Now I just get a migraine
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Post by: slappy on September 21, 2011, 04:40:59 pm

R.E.M. are one of the greatest bands ever just for this quote from Michael Stipe: "?I've always referred to the Beatles as elevator music, because that's exactly what they were."

Brian

Wow. I just developed a whole new respect for Stipe and REM.

Well if you like the quote because it's negative towards the Beatles, then you should also know the full context of the quote from Rolling Stone.

''The Monkees and the Banana Splits meant a lot more - and whoever did 'Yummy, Yummy, Yummy,' '' says Stipe, 34. ''That was the stuff I knew and loved.''

I guarantee if forced to be on a desert island with the complete discography of the Monkees/Banana Spilts or the Beatles you're taking the later.
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Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 21, 2011, 04:42:30 pm
Probably. Doesn't make me hate the fucking Beatles any less.
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Post by: xneverwherex on September 21, 2011, 04:43:57 pm
The Green tour was one of the first concerts I ever went to. REM did not disappoint. I came across this setlist and its pretty insane. From the Shoreline Amphitheater

1. Stand
2. The One I Love
3. So. Central Rain
4. Turn You Inside-Out
5. Belong
6. Orange Crush
7. Good Advices
8. Exhuming McCarthy
9. Feeling Gravitys Pull
10. World Leader Pretend
11. These Days
12. Pilgrimage
13. Future 40s
14. I Believe
15. I Remember California
16. Get Up
17. Auctioneer (Another Engine)
18. It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

Encore
1. Pop Song 89
2. Fall On Me
3. You Are The Everything

Encore
1. Harpers
2. Begin the Begin
3. King of Birds
4. Strange

Encore
1. Low
2. Finest Worksong
3. Perfect Circle
4. Dark Globe
5. Word Up
6. After Hours
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Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 21, 2011, 05:00:54 pm
On a road-trip down to Georgia earlier this year, I listened (in chronological order by release date, of course) to every album from Chronic Town through Document.  It was awesome.  The band started to lose me with Green (which i find kind of hit-or-miss) and completely lost me with Monster.



Couldn't have said it better myself.  Green is ok.  Everything that came after is complete garbage.

Their first three full lengths are among my favorite records, though.  They may have been the best band on the planet during that time frame.  Maybe except the Mats.
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Post by: slappy on September 21, 2011, 05:09:50 pm
Probably. Doesn't make me hate the fucking Beatles any less.

LOL. That's cool.
I just thought some context was needed. If not, it's kinda like digging Stalin 'cause he hated Hitler.
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Post by: Bagley on September 21, 2011, 05:36:15 pm
Highlights of my REM concert days-

Theme song from Barney Miller,  Dont fear the Reaper, and other requests because they ran out of music (w/ 200 people @ a tiny place in Scotia, NY) 1981

Up front, inside a speaker @ the Boston U. gym- English Beat opened  (responsible for my tinnitus)1983

Best opener ever-  Minutemen @ The Mosque in Richmond 1985ish

Didn't get much better than the Gargoyle EP and Murmur,  as far as ANY "progressive rock" is concerned

RIP
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Post by: challenged on September 21, 2011, 05:42:56 pm
Highlights of my REM concert days-

Theme song from Barney Miller,  Dont fear the Reaper, and other requests because they ran out of music (w/ 200 people @ a tiny place in Scotia, NY) 1981

Up front, inside a speaker @ the Boston U. gym- English Beat opened  (responsible for my tinnitus)1983

Best opener ever-  Minutemen @ The Mosque in Richmond 1985ish

Didn't get much better than the Gargoyle EP and Murmur,  as far as ANY "progressive rock" is concerned

RIP

Didn't realize you went to the Mosque show.  Small world.
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Post by: challenged on September 21, 2011, 05:51:33 pm
okay, so I think I may have over-attended at 13 shows: Good Skates Roller Rink, Setauket, NY (Dream Syndicate opened and were awful); Nassau Coliseum opening for Squeeze and The English Beat, 2 GWU Smith Center Shows, 2 DAR shows, 2 Cap Center Shows, 2 Patriot Center Shows, Richmond Mosque Show, UNLV Thomas and Mack Center (Wilco opening), Merriweather Post Pavillion...

all were enjoyable shows, thanks to Seth, Rich & IMP for 9 of them...i think that REM may have been a gateway act for IMP to reach into the arena show world?

the break will be good, and I'll be at the 3 night stand of reunion shows in 5 years at 9:30...
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 21, 2011, 06:28:11 pm
So does one unlock a badge or get a sticker from getglue for not liking beatles?  Because that's pretty much all that opinion is worth...
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Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 21, 2011, 06:35:07 pm
So does one unlock a badge or get a sticker from getglue for not liking the nestles?  Because that's pretty much all that opinion is worth...

People are allowed to hate The Beatles.  I can give you 50 reasons off the top of my head and none of them involve the Magical Mystery Tour.  Sorry to upset your world view.  That's reason #1 right there:

Reason To Hate the Beatles #1:  If you hate ANY other band, no big deal.  Who cares?  But if you HATE the Beatles, it's assumed that you are being contrary or are stupid.  Beatles fans are THAT arrogant.  When in reality Beatles fans are incredibly naive and un-adventurous.  To Beatles fans, the Beatles are the ONLY band.  No band can come close.  It's a pretty pathetic way to view life.  Look at Noel Gallagher.  It's like being a fan of the Yankees.

However, The Nestles?  I LOVE the Nestles.  Especially their early stuff.  Before they sold out and became a video game.

Brian
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 21, 2011, 06:43:18 pm
as usual a poorly broadly drawn argument from bw....
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 21, 2011, 06:49:19 pm
I first saw R.E.M. when they opened for the English Beat and at the time I didn't know anything about them.  They left an impression, but I was far more into the Beat that night.

Saw them for at least the three tours up to and including Green.  Including one memorial night when a very drunk Replacements came out as a surprise middle act on the bill.  If the Mats intent was to win over new fans that night, they didn't do a real bang up job with it.  Set include a incredible sloppy rendition of "I only had a brain" with Paul on drums.

Think I saw them one more time after that when some friends got a chance to open for them in NJ in the late 90s.
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Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 21, 2011, 09:23:18 pm
So does one unlock a badge or get a sticker from getglue for not liking beatles?  Because that's pretty much all that opinion is worth...

People under the age of 60 who are hardcore Beatles fans are big-time simpletons. I went through a Beatles phase. I was 18 and it lasted about a year, when I discovered newer, more relevant shit. That's the thing with the Beatles...they're irrelevant. Two of them are fucking dead. Yes, they'll always have being "the fucking Beatles" going for them. They helped revolutionize rock. I've listened to the second half of Abbey Road a billion times. They had some great albums. But there is just so much other great music out there, to pidgeon-hole yourself to the Beatles is just sad. It's simple shit.
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Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 21, 2011, 09:34:44 pm
First time I saw them was opening for The Police during Murmur tour.  Last time was at Vote for Change in Philly.  I think their last great album was Document.  Losing My Religion marked their downward turn for me. 
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 21, 2011, 10:19:33 pm
so basically the argument is that The Beatles are horrible, because they have hardcore fans.  Newsflash that argument could made about any band with a hardcore fan base. i.e. Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Wilco, Pink Floyd, Phish, GBV, etc, etc, etc.
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Post by: challenged on September 21, 2011, 11:03:46 pm
pigeon-holeing is distateful to everyone, including the pigeon

the beatles are/were a great and influential band

REM are/were as well, but probably not as great or as influential

those of us on rock club "boards" not likely all that great or influential (other than James Ford)
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Post by: wml7 on September 21, 2011, 11:48:56 pm
Yeah, the first time I saw the Beatles live it was ok  ;D
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Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on September 22, 2011, 04:14:15 am
How ironic, since most of  REM post Document catalogue can easily be categorized as elevator music.  On top of that there is no bigger self-righteous douche-bag than Michael Stipe, (except maybe BWallace).



R.E.M. are one of the greatest bands ever just for this quote from Michael Stipe: "?I've always referred to the Beatles as elevator music, because that's exactly what they were."

Brian
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Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 22, 2011, 06:26:30 am
How ironic, since most of  REM post Document catalogue can easily be categorized as elevator music.  On top of that there is no bigger self-righteous douche-bag than Michael Stipe, (except maybe BWallace).


Obvious.  Since Bono and Billy Corgan are still breathing.  Do you mean outrageously TALENTED, self-righteous douche-bags?  Then I agree 100% about Misters Stipe and Wallace.

The unique thing about R.E.M. is that the may be the only band whose "Critically acclaimed/Undeniably Great" period and "World Wide Popularity" period are almost mutually exclusive.  Explain to common folk what the "great, you know, great in a Pitchfork way" albums are and they may reply "You mean the one with 'Shiny Happy People' on it?".   And to the people on this message board this may seem outrageous, but later singles like "Leaving New York" and "Imitation of Life" are more recognizable and "popular" to the general population than "So. Central Rain" and "Can't Get There From Here."

And while they didn't leave on top, they really did have the best of both worlds.

Brian
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 22, 2011, 09:16:06 am
I don't hate the Beatles. They are just like Nirvana in the fact they were the poster boys for a genre. Plenty of other bands far superior to the Beatles within their genre but the Beatles just happened to be in the right place at the right time. The best band by far in that 60's 'Brit invasion' was without a doubt The Kinks. Dave Clark Five and Gerry and the Pacemakers I would also put above the Beatles.

Personally, I much prefer the Beatles early stuff and find their drug created shit, well.......shit. I am considering buying the Beatles compilation that is in Starbucks at the moment, so I'm not 'anti-Beatles' at all. They just weren't as good as history as led us to believe. Revolver would be my favorite album of theirs.

REM did absolutely nothing for me whatsofuckingever. And Michael Stipe is just a pretentios narsassistic douchebag who has a face you'd never get tired of kicking.
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 22, 2011, 09:16:58 am
How ironic, since most of  REM post Document catalogue can easily be categorized as elevator music.  On top of that there is no bigger self-righteous douche-bag than Michael Stipe, (except maybe BWallace).

R.E.M. are one of the greatest bands ever just for this quote from Michael Stipe: "?I've always referred to the Beatles as elevator music, because that's exactly what they were."

Brian

err......BONO?
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Post by: ggw on September 22, 2011, 09:55:58 am
R.E.M. @ 9:30 Club 1983-03-18 (03-12?)

Gardening at Night
9-9
Catapult
Pilgrimage
Seven Chinese Brothers
Laughing
Wolves, Lower
Romance
Sitting Still
1,000,000
West of the Fields
Radio Free Europe
Last Date
Ages of You
We Walk
Carnival of Sorts

http://www.mediafire.com/?1zih8n4hus1jxqz
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Post by: sweetcell on September 22, 2011, 10:01:35 am
no "losing my religion" = FAIL.
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Post by: hutch on September 22, 2011, 10:07:52 am

REM did absolutely nothing for me whatsofuckingever. And Michael Stipe is just a pretentios narsassistic douchebag who has a face you'd never get tired of kicking.


 :)
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Post by: hemisphire on September 22, 2011, 10:43:13 am
Memories from Mike Mills on playing the 9:30: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/click-track/post/rem-and-dc-battle-of-the-bands-with-the-same-name-and-keeping-the-streak-alive/2011/09/21/gIQAReAdnK_blog.html?wprss=click-track (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/click-track/post/rem-and-dc-battle-of-the-bands-with-the-same-name-and-keeping-the-streak-alive/2011/09/21/gIQAReAdnK_blog.html?wprss=click-track)
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Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 22, 2011, 12:21:56 pm
so basically the argument is that The Beatles are horrible, because they have hardcore fans.  Newsflash that argument could made about any band with a hardcore fan base. i.e. Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Wilco, Pink Floyd, Phish, GBV, etc, etc, etc.


No. Fans of PJ, Radiohead, Wilco, PF, Phish, GBV listen to other shit than just those bands...including the Beatles. Hardcore Beatles fans DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE, well other than maybe top 40 radio, because they are simpletons.
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Post by: James Ford on September 22, 2011, 12:40:21 pm
How are you so familiar with hardcore Beatles fans?

so basically the argument is that The Beatles are horrible, because they have hardcore fans.  Newsflash that argument could made about any band with a hardcore fan base. i.e. Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Wilco, Pink Floyd, Phish, GBV, etc, etc, etc.


No. Fans of PJ, Radiohead, Wilco, PF, Phish, GBV listen to other shit than just those bands...including the Beatles. Hardcore Beatles fans DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE, well other than maybe top 40 radio, because they are simpletons.
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Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 22, 2011, 12:56:49 pm
so basically the argument is that The Beatles are horrible, because they have hardcore fans.  Newsflash that argument could made about any band with a hardcore fan base. i.e. Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Wilco, Pink Floyd, Phish, GBV, etc, etc, etc.


No. Fans of PJ, Radiohead, Wilco, PF, Phish, GBV listen to other shit than just those bands...including the Beatles. Hardcore Beatles fans DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE, well other than maybe top 40 radio, because they are simpletons.

+1

There's a DJ in the Philadelphia area, Andre Gardner.   He hosts a show called "Breakfast with the Beatles."  Anyhow, whenever he mentions The Beatles, he calls them "The Greatest Band of All-Time, The Beatles."  I mean, EVERY TIME.

If they really WERE the greatest band of all-time (which is a silly title, anyhow.  If you can definitively and irrefutably determine what THE BEST of anything is, well, then you're a loser.) then why do we have to be hit over
the head with it?  Why do people who love the Beatles have to constantly remind you of all their "stats" and their influence?  If they truly were great then someone should come to that conclusion naturally.  Not have Rolling Stone magazine and old, clueless baby boomer constantly needling us.

R.E.M.  In my opinion, very good band.  Produced some very good music.  They weren't the most, bestest, most influential, etc. anything.  No one is.  I'm not Bill Simmons/Nick Hornsby and their ilk constantly ranking and comparing things.  I had a great time enjoying what they produced.

Brian
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 22, 2011, 03:44:13 pm
so basically the argument is that The Beatles are horrible, because they have hardcore fans.  Newsflash that argument could made about any band with a hardcore fan base. i.e. Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Wilco, Pink Floyd, Phish, GBV, etc, etc, etc.


No. Fans of PJ, Radiohead, Wilco, PF, Phish, GBV listen to other shit than just those bands...including the Beatles. Hardcore Beatles fans DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE, well other than maybe top 40 radio, because they are simpletons.

+1

There's a DJ in the Philadelphia area, Andre Gardner.   He hosts a show called "Breakfast with the Beatles."  Anyhow, whenever he mentions The Beatles, he calls them "The Greatest Band of All-Time, The Beatles."  I mean, EVERY TIME.

If they really WERE the greatest band of all-time (which is a silly title, anyhow.  If you can definitively and irrefutably determine what THE BEST of anything is, well, then you're a loser.) then why do we have to be hit over
the head with it?  Why do people who love the Beatles have to constantly remind you of all their "stats" and their influence?  If they truly were great then someone should come to that conclusion naturally.  Not have Rolling Stone magazine and old, clueless baby boomer constantly needling us.

R.E.M.  In my opinion, very good band.  Produced some very good music.  They weren't the most, bestest, most influential, etc. anything.  No one is.  I'm not Bill Simmons/Nick Hornsby and their ilk constantly ranking and comparing things.  I had a great time enjoying what they produced.

Brian

...and your anti-Beatles ranting is just as annoying. We get it, you don't like them...MOVE ON ALREADY
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on September 22, 2011, 03:49:36 pm
i wanted to read this thread about the band i grew up with since high school and remember how it effected me along the years . . . but then it got all brian strange and arguement, which i don't mind and it passes the time, but it leads to not making sense, like how for some reason, i really don't like bruce springsteen anymore, which is odd.  but i never stopped not liking rem.  their early work is still haunting portrait of who you are at some point in your life, their live shows were incredible spectacles with usual cool openers (until yes old age made them slow).  some albums later in time sucked but overall, they ruled.  ruled.  beavis and butthead ruled.
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: challenged on September 22, 2011, 03:52:47 pm
1985 show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBVVtNnHeEg&feature=related  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBVVtNnHeEg&feature=related)

Setlist:

Feeling Gravitys Pull
Harborcoat
Sitting Still
Maps And Legends
Fall On Me (original lyrics)
Green Grow The Rushes
Driver 8
Hyena
So. Central Rain
Have You Ever Seen The Rain?
Can't Get There From Here
King Of The Road
Seven Chinese Brothers
Auctioneer (Another Engine)
Old Man Kensey
Little America
Pretty Persuasion

encore 1:

Theme From Two Steps Onward
Toys In The Attic
See No Evil
Second Guessing

encore 2:

Ghost Riders In The Sky
(Don't Go Back to) Rockville
We Walk-Falling In Love Again-Behind Closed Doors
Paint It, Black

Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: slappy on September 22, 2011, 07:24:27 pm
We get it, you don't like them...MOVE ON ALREADY

Woah ... I just realized there isn't one post by him that this reply doesn't fit perfectly.


Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: wml7 on September 22, 2011, 07:37:27 pm
This is my favorite song by them  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUmrpzmYCg
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Bombay Chutney on September 22, 2011, 07:38:41 pm
R.E.M. @ 9:30 Club 1983-03-18 (03-12?)

I must've listened to this show 100x over the years.   Nice one.
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: lagas on September 22, 2011, 08:22:56 pm
I saw them only once, at their last show at Merriweather, it was a greatperformance...unlike some others here, i do like Monster, a lot, and hearing Let Me In live was heaven...

I was thinking last Monday that it would be great to see them live again, and then found out...good times though...
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on September 23, 2011, 07:41:50 am
I used to love REM... but when it became possible to understand what Michael Stipe was saying, it just wasn't the same anymore.   Haven't really paid them any heed since the 90s. 
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: RustyOrgan on September 23, 2011, 08:03:49 am
R.E.M. - One of The Great bands.  I figure they'll reunite 10 years from now...
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: evilizac on September 23, 2011, 10:26:03 am
Who started telling good bands that their front(people) should start enunciating . . ? It's killed it for many a good band. . . Joe Strummer had it right; mumble all the way to the bank. . . and stop letting the singer in on the mixing.
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 23, 2011, 03:10:22 pm
i wanted to read this thread about the band i grew up with since high school and remember how it effected me along the years . . . but then it got all brian strange and arguement, which i don't mind and it passes the time, but it leads to not making sense, like how for some reason, i really don't like bruce springsteen anymore, which is odd.  but i never stopped not liking rem.  their early work is still haunting portrait of who you are at some point in your life, their live shows were incredible spectacles with usual cool openers (until yes old age made them slow).  some albums later in time sucked but overall, they ruled.  ruled.  beavis and butthead ruled.

Funny thing about Springsteen.....over the years I've come to dislike his stuff but "Born to run" is still a tremendous album. All his other stuff is shit in my opinion, even if I once liked it, like 'The River' for example.


Do you think it could be that certain albums become more of were you were in your life when first hearing it, or are some albums just engraved permanently in your mind as great simply for their musical content? Because let's face it, "the boss is the boss' so why is Born To Run an exception to my tiring of him?

On the other side of this subject. When Dark side of the moon came out I thought it was simply annoying elevator music, but can really appreciate it for it's musical genius now.

Then there's albums that I loved many years ago, and when I hear them now appreciate them even more, which I never thought possible. Space Oddity, Hunky Dory and Man Who Sold The World to name just three.

Finally, there's bands and albums never in the forefront of my playlist, yet when they finally do get played I always say "God this album is amazing, I should play it more often" then it's months/years before the get played again. Counting Crows are that band for me. I have their stuff set aside now so when I can't decide what to listen to ..... in the player they go.

As for REM, someone gave me Green for my birthday when it first came out...it's still in the clear plastic wrapping!!! I have another one unopened...Massive Attack I think.
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: chaz on September 23, 2011, 03:17:08 pm


Funny thing about Springsteen.....over the years I've come to dislike his stuff but "Born to run" is still a tremendous album. All his other stuff is shit in my opinion, even if I once liked it, like 'The River' for example.



How can you love Born to Run and hate Darkness on the Edge of Town? 

Oh yeah i forgot, you dismissed the Ramones as meaningless.... ;D
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2011, 03:24:05 pm
counting crows?


come on.. are you "fishing" again?


 ;D
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on September 23, 2011, 05:17:59 pm
Born to Run is utter tripe. Give me Darkness or Greetings any day of the week before Born to Run.
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: Frank Gallagher on September 23, 2011, 05:42:10 pm
Born to Run is utter tripe. Give me Darkness or Greetings any day of the week before Born to Run.

Some people like tripe
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: wml7 on September 25, 2011, 03:24:51 pm
Coldplay makes a tribute to REM  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5lt1WkO3wU
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: RustyOrgan on September 25, 2011, 03:35:55 pm
Coldplay makes a tribute to REM  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5lt1WkO3wU

Fuck Coldplay!  Wankers!!
Title: Re: REM=DEAD
Post by: sweetcell on November 04, 2011, 01:49:39 pm
R.E.M. Won't Reunite, Michael Stipe Says on U.K. TV
http://www.spin.com/articles/rem-wont-reunite-michael-stipe-says-uk-tv