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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: James Ford on January 18, 2012, 12:15:16 pm
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Surprised nobody has brought it up other than walkonby...
<<and god, fuck you google. now i know why i don't use you. you cover up your name in protest of the anti piracy law, but your site is still up. bunch of spineless pussies who are too worried about the bottom line instead of standing up for something. fuck you google.>>
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i'll just wait for yada to attack me, brian to say something off the fucking charts, and sweetcell to make it all better . . . before i comment.
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LOL Google "Tell Congress, Please don't censor the web"
I have to agree, it would make more of an impact if Google SHUT down for the day. Congress...how's looking up things now? Yahoo should have done the same too.
You're right, corporate greed and bottom line.
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I've been doing my part in slactivism all day today!
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Even Wikipedia hasn't completely blacked out. Turn off javascript and voila.
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LOL Google "Tell Congress, Please don't censor the web"
"No senators were found for your zip code."
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must be a very slow day if this is "interesting"
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I dunno. I think the RIAA/MPAA/chamber of commerce attempting to cripple the internet is pretty interesting and disturbing.
Sure, the most disturbing parts of the legislation were removed but both the Senate and House versions of this bill could still be destructive.
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I dunno. I think the RIAA/MPAA/chamber of commerce attempting to cripple the internet is pretty interesting and disturbing.
Sure, the most disturbing parts of the legislation were removed but both the Senate and House versions of this bill could still be destructive.
The issue is interesting... Walkie's semi-illiterate rantings are not.
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Yeah, I'm a big proponent of stealing music and movies from the internet......... whoops, I mean no no it's bad, right walky? ;D
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It goes way beyond stealing music and movies from the internet.
It would allow movie/music companies to go after any site they see fit and either have them shut down or have the DOJ force ISP's to block access to them. Would you really be OK with private entities or the gov't for that matter having that kind of power?
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Az understands what this is about. It has nothing whatsoever to do with piracy. That's only the flag they use to censor and shut any and all down they so choose for whatever whim, or fear, they manage to connive or misconstrue. It has more to do with shutting down small perceived competition and silencing the people than what they pretend that it's about.
AirAtlanticUnderground.com (http://www.airatlanticunderground.com) has become an official supporter of the cause.
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Jagy you should devote a whole show to it and spin some tunes about it ;D
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Jagy you should devote a whole show to it and spin some tunes about it ;D
That's a Hell of a lot of work and I have done shows in the past based on themes but never even thought to do so for today.
Maybe I should do something like that sometime. Hmmmm...... Don't know if I want to go back on the mic though either.
I know another broadcaster who has a very good PSA (public service announcement) about the issue he has running on his station today. Again, wish that I would have thought that far in advance.
Decided not to shut the radio station down today as I figured no one would really know why, especially those overseas and I've got tons of listeners from other countries all over the planet. Usually I avoid using any kind of PSAs because I know the standard (non-VIP listeners) already have to put up with too many commercials placed in by Live365. No way do I want to force them to put up with any more crap. But once in a blue moon might make it all worth while.
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personally . . . i don't care either way. i live without television, and i'm sure i could live without the internet. it really is just a toy. a toy for people who cannot grow up. like peter pan. i just found it fucking stupid that google would put a black band across their name as if that is some sort of protest. personally i couldn't give a shit about this particular protest or the internet or what congress does to people. people don't have the ability to stop shit in this country, and what google did is just another snap shot of the truth. i think i'll have a wonderful beer that i just bought, and play batman on the xbox. that is what i care about right now.
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personally . . . i don't care either way. i live without television, and i'm sure i could live without the internet. it really is just a toy. a toy for people who cannot grow up. like peter pan. i just found it fucking stupid that google would put a black band across their name as if that is some sort of protest. personally i couldn't give a shit about this particular protest or the internet or what congress does to people. people don't have the ability to stop shit in this country, and what google did is just another snap shot of the truth. i think i'll have a wonderful beer that i just bought, and play batman on the xbox. that is what i care about right now.
Please get rid of your internet connection! It would be great for humanity.
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if you think that i'm that important to humanity . . . you are as dumb as i think.
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if you think that i'm that important to humanity . . . you are as dumb as i think.
dude you bore me.. all your comments are negative.. why don't you get rid of that internet connection pretty please?
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All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
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All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
well not entirely for nothing.. it allowed James Ford and Walkie to waste our collective time getting their panties in a bunch.
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-18/six-u-s-lawmakers-abandon-anti-piracy-bills-as-google-protests.html
yeah . . . lets's all download an album that isn't out yet in celebration.
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All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
well not entirely for nothing.. it allowed James Ford and Walkie to waste our collective time getting their panties in a bunch.
god . . . i love the fact that you hate me so much, but yet you still call me walkie.
here, this is for you
(http://critteristic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/black-white-kitten-basket-3.jpg)
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Didn't this happen because of the ruckus raised today? Seems it wasn't really "for nothing" IMO, but I could be wrong.
All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
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can't speak for chaz, but maybe that's what he was saying in a double negative kind of way?
Didn't this happen because of the ruckus raised today? Seems it wasn't really "for nothing" IMO, but I could be wrong.
All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
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Thank you rhett...I don't talk so good sometimes.
Yes. What I meant is that all the online activism is paying off...supporters of these bills are jumping ship left and right.
can't speak for chaz, but maybe that's what he was saying in a double negative kind of way?
Didn't this happen because of the ruckus raised today? Seems it wasn't really "for nothing" IMO, but I could be wrong.
All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
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Sorry...just my terrible reading comprehension. And also the fact that everyone is such a Debbie Downer in her lately ;)
Thank you rhett...I don't talk so good sometimes.
Yes. What I meant is that all the online activism is paying off...supporters of these bills are jumping ship left and right.
can't speak for chaz, but maybe that's what he was saying in a double negative kind of way?
Didn't this happen because of the ruckus raised today? Seems it wasn't really "for nothing" IMO, but I could be wrong.
All the ruckus raised over this has not been for nothing. Co-authors of both of these bills had their names taken off of them today.
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yeah, all you debbie downers ;D
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that made me think of little debbie snack cakes. now i want one. yum. right on. after that dm show call, it's pies and anchovies from here on out.
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Today's Update:
Megaupload, a very popular file uploading/downloading server, was taken down by the Feds today.
The hacktivist group known as "Anonymous" retaliated by taking down the websites for the Department of Justice, RIAA, Universal Music Group, MPAA, and the White House.
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:o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o
You know, that, in part, might explain why it took me a ridiculous amount of time today to download a new album a band sent me to play on my radio station. All totally legitimate, sent by a band who completely owns all of their own music; to a radio station to help promote their music that pays those gangsters at some of those letter agencies forced fees for every song aired and for every single listener. Money, that, in turn, is used to keep down small radio stations and webcasters, as well as small time bands trying to get their music out to the public. Also, lots of musicians who share portions of songs back and forth to work on tracks, among other totally legal and completely ethical activities.
Further proving that not all transferred files are pirated. It's stuff like this that makes many of us fight the SOPA and PIPA acts!
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all the online activism is paying off...supporters of these bills are jumping ship left and right.
I think people vastly overstate the importance of "online activism." It's pretty hard to believe that Wikipedia going dark and a bunch of people tweeting had any effect on this whatsoever. More likely, what this represents is the victory of certain 21st century corporate titans (Google and friends) over 20th century corporate titans (the entertainment industry).
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I think that you are both right. This was only a temporary victory as you damned well know that they will continue to regroup and come after us with full guns. It was the numbers and some of the bigger power players that stalled them for a few minutes. Some, are probably disguised infiltrators as always happens. They get in to 'know thy enemy' and then get control and lead them on to self-destruction. Happens all the time.
Disclaimer: Before anyone twists up this issue, by no means am I, or most of the opposers of these acts, condoning any kind of pirating. It's all the draconian nastiness involved. The piracy issue is nothing but the glitter to sell dangerous legislation and kill the freedom of the internet as we know it.
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And Doomie, you are also right about it being a corporate power play by some. All you have to do is look at the ongoing battles between such companies as Comcrap, Netflix and the Hollywood mega-studios. Shame that all of the artists and consumers; legitimate ones at that; are usually the ones who end up paying in the end for those battles and even losing livelihoods. We just don't have the power, money and comparable representation.
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Go Anonymous go!
Disabling a useful tool such as Megaupload and arresting its founders in 2012 is akin to banning the VCR and arresting its inventor in 1980.
These fuckers deserve everything they have coming.
No, I do not use Megaupload for anything but as Jaguar stated, most of its use is likely for perfectly legal purposes.
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http://www.tinymixtapes.com/news/anonymous-gets-revenge-takedown-megaupload-takes-down-riaa-universal-music-justice-department-b
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most use megaupload for legit purposes? is there any evidence supporting such an assertion?
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Can you explain this one? Thanks.
Disabling a useful tool such as Megaupload and arresting its founders in 2012 is akin to banning the VCR and arresting its inventor in 1980.
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No, I don't have stats or anything. But I do see it, Mediafire, Sendspace, etc. used for legit purposes regularly.
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^ Let's look at it another way. A couple guys go out and rob a bank. They make their getaway in a Toyota Camry. With the logic of these bills, Toyota would be charged as well as the robbers. It doesn't matter that the car maker's intent was not meant for their cars to be used to rob banks, but they were. Same logic.
For those who still don't get the importance of stopping such legislation, please watch this video... and pay very close attention to the message...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnqa8Gk3as
... otherwise, we may all meet up at this board's biggest forum party ever. Seth will be there too but he won't be hosting the thing.
That would include:
Rhett/James - for all of the copy and paste posts he's lifted and used in here as his own... and all of the good beer photos and articles
Walkie - for all of his cool cat pictures
Hutch - for his music links
Kosmo - for his many DJ sets he's created and linked in here
Smackie - for his ladies and techie links
Sweets - for the many news articles he's pasted or linked us up with
Wml - for his cool concert videos. So you say it's his? Too bad, you can see a bottle of beer or the name of the venue, etc....
ALL OF US - for the many videos, photos, new articles, names we've mentioned, and on and on and on and on.
YES, it has the potential to be that bad!
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There is a difference between being against SOPA and what is going on with shutting down Megaupload....
Azaghal himself says he really doesn't know what people use Megaupload for.. he knows anecdotally that some people use it legit... thats about all he knows..
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I will vouch that I've only used it for legit purposes for work, etc....but let's not kid ourselves; it's a great way to share ANY content, legal or otherwise.
Definitely think Jag's point is spot on, though. So any mechanism/tool that COULD be used to commit a crime should be outlawed? That's insanity.
There is a difference between being against SOPA and what is going on with shutting down Megaupload....
Azaghal himself says he really doesn't know what people use Megaupload for.. he knows anecdotally that some people use it legit... thats about all he knows..
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I never said I didn't know that people don't use it illegally. Of course they do. People use many things for illegal purposes but those things are not outlawed. Look at Jaguar's excellent analogy above for instance.
By shutting MU down when they did, the government/entertainment industry are trying to send the message that they need no such legislation. SOPA or no SOPA, they apparently plan to go after and dismantle whatever sites they please. And the need for an Anonymous to counter this is essential.
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So you guys who seem to acquire hundreds of new albums a year are doing it legally? How much do you spend annually on recorded music?
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hope they are not after mediafire next....
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I will vouch that I've only used it for legit purposes for work, etc....but let's not kid ourselves; it's a great way to share ANY content, legal or otherwise.
Definitely think Jag's point is spot on, though. So any mechanism/tool that COULD be used to commit a crime should be outlawed? That's insanity.
There is a difference between being against SOPA and what is going on with shutting down Megaupload....
Azaghal himself says he really doesn't know what people use Megaupload for.. he knows anecdotally that some people use it legit... thats about all he knows..
we know megaupload is used to share movies, music, books... the point isn't that it should be outlawed because it could be used to break the law but because the people who run it don't care at all that it is as far as the DOJ or FBI or whoever determined..
personally my feeling- and its as valid as Azaghals anecdotal evidence- is that most people are using megaupload to illegally download music and movies.... I have no problem ,if this is the case, with it being shut down...
If 90% of people are using Megaupload to break the law and Megaupload doesn't do anything to discourage it then why should it not be shutdown? Because 10% use it to share their pictures or papers?
In the end it doesn't even matter what the percentages are.. if the FBI determines Megaupload is breaking the law then it should be shut down and I'm not sure why people immediately assume - without any facts- that Megaupload is doing nothing wrong (I suspect because its very convenient)
Moreover, there is nothing cool about taking down websites such as the DOJ.
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So you guys who seem to acquire hundreds of new albums a year are doing it legally? How much do you spend annually on recorded music?
waffles/what.cd for the win!!
Still missin' oink. :P
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So you guys who seem to acquire hundreds of new albums a year are doing it legally? How much do you spend annually on recorded music?
Of course, I can only speak for myself but know many others who could easily wear my gazing shoes:
- priority addictions. (I don't drink as much beer as you. ;) )
- lucky enough to have very obscure tastes that often allows for finding tons of good totally legal files to be downloaded for free. It takes work to find them but there are plenty out there and they are completely legal and given away by the bands and or labels. Yeah, there's a lot of crap but there's loads of good stuff too once you know how to find them.
- owning an internet radio station, I get files and CDs sent to me for free.
With all that said, even in a good year, it never reaches into the 'hundreds... a year.'
Hutch, you're lost in the glitter.
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So you guys who seem to acquire hundreds of new albums a year are doing it legally? How much do you spend annually on recorded music?
Of course, I can only speak for myself but know many others who could easily wear my gazing shoes:
- priority addictions. (I don't drink as much beer as you. ;) )
- lucky enough to have very obscure tastes that often allows for finding tons of good totally legal files to be downloaded for free. It takes work to find them but there are plenty out there and they are completely legal and given away by the bands and or labels. Yeah, there's a lot of crap but there's loads of good stuff too once you know how to find them.
- owning an internet radio station, I get files and CDs sent to me for free.
link to said internet radio station?
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For the radio station:
Air Atlantic Underground Radio (http://www.live365.com/stations/airatlantic)
You can find some legal music files here, given with full permission from the artists:
Air Atlantic Underground (http://www.airatlanticunderground.com)
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I will vouch that I've only used it for legit purposes for work, etc....but let's not kid ourselves; it's a great way to share ANY content, legal or otherwise.
Definitely think Jag's point is spot on, though. So any mechanism/tool that COULD be used to commit a crime should be outlawed? That's insanity.
There is a difference between being against SOPA and what is going on with shutting down Megaupload....
Azaghal himself says he really doesn't know what people use Megaupload for.. he knows anecdotally that some people use it legit... thats about all he knows..
we know megaupload is used to share movies, music, books... the point isn't that it should be outlawed because it could be used to break the law but because the people who run it don't care at all that it is as far as the DOJ or FBI or whoever determined..
personally my feeling- and its as valid as Azaghals anecdotal evidence- is that most people are using megaupload to illegally download music and movies.... I have no problem ,if this is the case, with it being shut down...
If 90% of people are using Megaupload to break the law and Megaupload doesn't do anything to discourage it then why should it not be shutdown? Because 10% use it to share their pictures or papers?
In the end it doesn't even matter what the percentages are.. if the FBI determines Megaupload is breaking the law then it should be shut down and I'm not sure why people immediately assume - without any facts- that Megaupload is doing nothing wrong (I suspect because its very convenient)
Moreover, there is nothing cool about taking down websites such as the DOJ.
Your first point is like saying Youtube should be shut down because people often upload unauthorized movies and music videos. Youtube (and Megaupload as well; MU operators remove links at the request of copyright holders all the time) is a massive site that would need its own private police force if it were to completely avoid copyright infringement.
Your second point; I've definitely seen a disclaimer on there that discourages copyrighted material and as I said above, they often do pull copyrighted shit.
Your third point: did it ever occur to you that the FBI are being pressured to go after these sites by the MPAA/RIAA? Why would you quickly take their word at face value the way you did above?
Your fourth point: if in fact there is evidence that these private orgs are pushing the FBI/DOJ to go after these sites then yes, killing the FBI and DOJ sites is very cool and they deserve what they get.
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See, I told you this could be an interesting topic.
must be a very slow day if this is "interesting"
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Sometimes you've just got to route for the cowboy in the black hat.
(http://crow202.org/2008/cat_cowboy.jpg)
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What next? Will the developers of Bit Torrent, undoubtedly the most efficient file delivery system we have be arrested?
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So you guys who seem to acquire hundreds of new albums a year are doing it legally? How much do you spend annually on recorded music?
waffles/what.cd for the win!!
Still missin' oink. :P
I use these, as well as Indietorrents regularly and if they go down, sure I would be annoyed but it would not bug me as much as the Megaupload thing.
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Nowadays, almost all of the smaller labels and bands use some sort of file storage to send out their press kits. It affords them to send out more than their tiny budgets would otherwise allow which limits who they can outreach to via snail mail.
Before Pirate Bay was taken down, Labrador Records always used them for their various artists sampler compilations. These weren't press kits but a free sampler they would give to the public to help sell full albums by these artists. You'd get these newsletters in your email box with a link to Pirate Bay which was the only way to get them. Totally legal. Use to drive me nuts though because, not using bit torrents myself, I would always have to fumble through the whole process just to get the sampler. Since Pirate Bay is now gone, the Labrador Records samplers have gone with them.
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They may be gone, but you're still nuts. ;D
Nowadays, almost all of the smaller labels and bands use some sort of file storage to send out their press kits. It affords them to send out more than their tiny budgets would otherwise allow which limits who they can outreach to via snail mail.
Before Pirate Bay was taken down, Labrador Records always used them for their various artists sampler compilations. These weren't press kits but a free sampler they would give to the public to help sell full albums by these artists. You'd get these newsletters in your email box with a link to Pirate Bay which was the only way to get them. Totally legal. Use to drive me nuts though because, not using bit torrents myself, I would always have to fumble through the whole process just to get the sampler. Since Pirate Bay is now gone, the Labrador Records samplers have gone with them.
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Okay BEER NUT! Guess it takes one to know one. ;)
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I will vouch that I've only used it for legit purposes for work, etc....but let's not kid ourselves; it's a great way to share ANY content, legal or otherwise.
Definitely think Jag's point is spot on, though. So any mechanism/tool that COULD be used to commit a crime should be outlawed? That's insanity.
There is a difference between being against SOPA and what is going on with shutting down Megaupload....
Azaghal himself says he really doesn't know what people use Megaupload for.. he knows anecdotally that some people use it legit... thats about all he knows..
we know megaupload is used to share movies, music, books... the point isn't that it should be outlawed because it could be used to break the law but because the people who run it don't care at all that it is as far as the DOJ or FBI or whoever determined..
personally my feeling- and its as valid as Azaghals anecdotal evidence- is that most people are using megaupload to illegally download music and movies.... I have no problem ,if this is the case, with it being shut down...
If 90% of people are using Megaupload to break the law and Megaupload doesn't do anything to discourage it then why should it not be shutdown? Because 10% use it to share their pictures or papers?
In the end it doesn't even matter what the percentages are.. if the FBI determines Megaupload is breaking the law then it should be shut down and I'm not sure why people immediately assume - without any facts- that Megaupload is doing nothing wrong (I suspect because its very convenient)
Moreover, there is nothing cool about taking down websites such as the DOJ.
Your first point is like saying Youtube should be shut down because people often upload unauthorized movies and music videos. Youtube (and Megaupload as well; MU operators remove links at the request of copyright holders all the time) is a massive site that would need its own private police force if it were to completely avoid copyright infringement.
Your second point; I've definitely seen a disclaimer on there that discourages copyrighted material and as I said above, they often do pull copyrighted shit.
Your third point: did it ever occur to you that the FBI are being pressured to go after these sites by the MPAA/RIAA? Why would you quickly take their word at face value the way you did above?
Your fourth point: if in fact there is evidence that these private orgs are pushing the FBI/DOJ to go after these sites then yes, killing the FBI and DOJ sites is very cool and they deserve what they get.
And your point is that people who produce music should have no protection at all.. a website can post a "disclaimer" and then do nothing about it..anything goes... allow people's livelihood to be stolen from them and too friggin' bad!
come on .. this isn't realistic... stop acting like a 12 year old..
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Where did I say that?
Right after that post, I mentioned that I would understand if sites that were completely dedicated to piracy were forced offline. Unlike Piratebay/What/Waffles/Indietorrents/Passthepopcorn, Megaupload provide a perfectly legitimate service.
Is this point really that hard to get through?
P.S. They're back. (http://megaupload.biz)
P.P.S. Jaguar, The Pirate Bay is still up. (http://thepiratebay.org")
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Is this really true? There doesn't seem to be a lack of bands because of it. And if a band can't support themselves via the music business, they can always get day jobs.
And your point is that people who produce music should have no protection at all.. a website can post a "disclaimer" and then do nothing about it..anything goes... allow people's livelihood to be stolen from them and too friggin' bad!
come on .. this isn't realistic... stop acting like a 12 year old..
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Yeah it's a crock of shit that the studios/labels have been using in ad campaigns for years.
There are more bands than ever and more of them are being heard than ever for better or worse thanks to the these very tools that bigger labels want to eliminate.
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i just enjoy the fact that the founder of this site, that is for "legal" stuff too . . . was hoarding money, artwork, homes, cars, and lots of guns. that should say alot. hey i hear some band wants to release an album and make some money off their hard work . . . somebody go upload/download/page torrent that shit pronto. that will show 'em. thievery is revolution.
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the crock of shit is the idea that its ok to download music without paying for it.. or stream it without artists getting paid for it..
thats the CROCK OF SHIT and any music lover should appreciate that fact..
you could go on google and type any album and megaupload or whatever next to it and pull up the links to download illegally.. and many did which is why often if you typed an album name in google google would give you the suggestion for megaupload
unfortunately azaghal lives in the imaginary world where downloading music for free without the artist getting paid somehow magically helps the artists.. another variation of this inane argument is the classic "why should I pay for music.. artists should make their money touring! that's why ticket prices are high!"
there is nothing wrong with the department of justice or fbi standing up for the copyrights of musicians or hollywood studios..its a good thing.. not sure why one would get so ticked off about it. the fact some use megaupload in conformity with the law does not mean that many did not.. and if the place was not working to make sure its service respected copyrights then good riddance.
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by the way greg kot wrote an interesting book called ripped about mp3s and all that jive.. the point is pretty much the same baloney those who favor illegal downloading make: That it helps the musicians while hurting the bad evil record labels..
Its a load of crusty poop.. are there bands that have benefited from illegal downloading and all that? yes.. but for the vast vast majority of musicians its no help at all.. of course kot focuses on the few bands that have benefited.
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Again, you post a bunch of presumptuous shit about me in response to imaginary posts by me saying it is/was OK to pirate music.
One last time: Do I see an issue with TPB or any other site whose specific goal is to pirate being taken down/their founders being arrested? No. Hosting pirated movies and music is illegal.
Difference between these sites and MU/Yousendit/Mediafire/rapidshare? These sites are essentially cyber lockers and there is nothing wrong with their existence. People everywhere use them for perfectly valid and legal reasons. As with other technology (VCR, audio cassette, DVD burners, fucking Xerox machines) people also use them for illegal reasons. Is that unfortunate? Sure. But the answer to the problem isn't destruction of such sites. Show me an example of either MU or their founders promoting themselves/their site as a vehicle for illegal activity and I'll take back anything I have said about shutting them down setting a bad precedent.
I'm done.
the crock of shit is the idea that its ok to download music without paying for it.. or stream it without artists getting paid for it..
thats the CROCK OF SHIT and any music lover should appreciate that fact..
you could go on google and type any album and megaupload or whatever next to it and pull up the links to download illegally.. and many did which is why often if you typed an album name in google google would give you the suggestion for megaupload
unfortunately azaghal lives in the imaginary world where downloading music for free without the artist getting paid somehow magically helps the artists.. another variation of this inane argument is the classic "why should I pay for music.. artists should make their money touring! that's why ticket prices are high!"
there is nothing wrong with the department of justice or fbi standing up for the copyrights of musicians or hollywood studios..its a good thing.. not sure why one would get so ticked off about it. the fact some use megaupload in conformity with the law does not mean that many did not.. and if the place was not working to make sure its service respected copyrights then good riddance.
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Another article. (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/megaupload-wasnt-just-for-pirates-angry-users-out-of-luck-for-now.ars)
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I think we can all agree that copyright issues belong in the civil, not criminal realm. But that train left the station many years ago.
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If you refuse to listen to me, maybe you'll listen to Glenn Greenwald. He does put my argument better than I could.
Two Lessons from the Megaupload Seizure (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/21/two_lessons_from_the_megaupload_seizure/singleton/)
Or maybe now you'll call him anti-musician.
And there is this.
Congressional Research Service study shows that Hollywood are doing OK. (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/crs-report-movie-industry-demands-sop)
OK, seriously done.
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Absolutely.
I think we can all agree that copyright issues belong in the civil, not criminal realm. But that train left the station many years ago.
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maybe you'll listen to Glenn Greenwald
There is one sentence from that article that basically sums it all up:
"The U.S. really is a society that simply no longer believes in due process: once the defining feature of American freedom that is now scorned as some sort of fringe, radical, academic doctrine."
This is where all the bleating about "power to the people" and "the 99% vs the 1%" is completely off mark. Due process has been stripped away because the overwhelming majority of people are OK with that, depending on which kind of bogeyman (terrorist, drug dealer, child abuser, flag burner, etc.) upsets them.
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i think Azaghal you're looking for any reason to come down against what the Government has done vis a vis Megaupload...
Now its that you don't like the way they went about terminating their operations.. thats very different from saying megaupload did nothing wrong.
I'm not a legal expert or even novice.. I can't comment on that aspect.. but that Megaupload was an instrument being used to massively violate copyrights and that Megaupload was profiting from that illicit activity, well of that there is no doubt in my mind..
I have to admit I have contempt for the younger "kids" who think music should be free whether its streaming or downloading...these new generations seem to feel that artists should work for free.. As a music lover I can't stomach it and I think rather than directing your outrage against the US government think a little more about the musicians themselves.. maybe you think the natural order is they should all pass the hat around and play house parties for you so its copacetic to have their livelihood stolen from them?... or maybe your hatred for record companies colors your judgment?..or maybe you just like to see someone stick it to the man but its frankly bizzare to take sides with these pirates and cheer them on...
maybe, I will grant you it is possible that the Obama administration is going about this in the wrong way, in an effort to help out their campaign contributors (hollywood, entertainment industries), but at least they are doing something.
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Megaupload did as much wrong as Youtube does. As I stated earlier, there is rampant copyright infringement up there including the videos you link here. Did you ask AC/DC personally for permission to shoot that Verizon Center footage? (I think that was you. If not, sorry. Disregard.) If not, you are arguably just as guilty as the pirates you are railing against. As far as your accusatory rant of myself and my supposed opposition to artists being paid for their work (I spend my fair share on live and recorded music as any regular reader of this board knows), if safeguarding this old model you and the record industry seem to be clinging to hinders innovations in technology, are you really still OK with it still being in place? You're asking way too much, if so. Artists as a whole are realizing that the old process is on its way out and are creatively finding other ways to earn their keep. You can post all the "get off my lawn!" rants you want but the days of artist>label/marketers>radio>consumer are over. You can either choose to get with the times or post old man rants that will accomplish nothing but clutter up this board.
Now its that you don't like the way they went about terminating their operations.. thats very different from saying megaupload did nothing wrong.
I'm not a legal expert or even novice.. I can't comment on that aspect.. but that Megaupload was an instrument being used to massively and primarily violate copyrights extensively and that Megaupload was profiting from illicit activity, well of that there is simply no doubt in my mind..
I have to admit I have utter disdain and contempt for the younger "kids" who think music should be free whether its streaming or downloading...these new generations seem to feel that artists should work for free.. I can't stand for that and I think rather than directing your outrage against the US government you ought to think a little more about the musicians themselves.. maybe you think the natural order is they should all pass the hat around and play house parties for you so its copacetic to have their livelihood stolen from them... or maybe your hatred for record companies colors your judgment..or maybe you just like to see someone stick it to the man but its frankly very bizzare to take sides with these pirates and cheer them on...
maybe the Obama administration is going about this in the wrong way in an effort to help out their campaign contributors (hollywood, entertainment industries) but at least they are doing something.
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Megaupload did as much wrong as Youtube does. As I stated earlier, there is rampant copyright infringement up there including the videos you link here. Did you ask AC/DC personally for permission to shoot that Verizon Center footage? (I think that was you. If not, sorry. Disregard.) If not, you are arguably just as guilty as the pirates you are railing against. As far as your accusatory rant of myself and my supposed opposition to artists being paid for their work (I spend my fair share on live and recorded music as any regular reader of this board knows), if safeguarding this old model you and the record industry seem to be clinging to hinders innovations in technology, are you really still OK with it still being in place? You're asking way too much, if so. Artists as a whole are realizing that the old process is on its way out and are creatively finding other ways to earn their keep. You can post all the "get off my lawn!" rants you want but the days of artist>label>marketers>radio>consumer are over. You can either choose to get with the times or post old man rants that will accomplish nothing but clutter up this board.
all this "if you're not with this you're an old man.." is just baloney.. obviously I use the internet for many many things including once in a while legally downloading music.. all I'm saying is artists should be paid for their work. you ought to just agree with that instead of being disagreeable for the heck of it!
there is nothing "old model" about saying artists should be paid for their work and their livelihood not stolen from them....and if the "new model" is about ripping people off - I don't think it is-I want nothing to do with it as should you... whether its youtube or anything else artists should be paid while they have copyrights.. i think they do eventually expire....
I'm in favor of streaming and downloading but when the artist is paid for their work. I have no issue with Itunes.. its great although I don't use.. why do i think its great? Cause my friend's band- Outer Body Llama- can get their music out there to the public and make money.. they love it I love it.. simple.
Obviously artists were not being paid when their work was illegally downloaded..since this went on for years and years I have to conclude Megaupload didn't care.. they certainly seem to have had the funds to invest a little more in protecting artist copyrights.. if they didn't then the "model" is not viable.. as a society we don't adopt new technologies because they make massive theft possible, or are you saying we should?
the way i see it is we had a period of about a decade where it was the wild west and now its going to come back to something that while using new technologies also ensures more respect for copyrights...i think thats great.
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The difference between Megaupload and YouTube is that YouTube makes an effort to curtail posting of copyrighted material, and Megaupload apparently made no such effort. YouTube in its early days was a different story, but it's much harder to find copyrighted stuff on there than it once was.
The owners of Megaupload made tens of millions of dollars, lived in a mansion, and drove Rolls Royces. They were definitely part of the 1 percent, so it's strange that they're garnering so much sympathy. If they'd invested a small portion of their millions in some good legal advice, they would likely not be in this situation, but they seemed to prefer to devote their efforts to cultivating a swashbuckling image.
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Hope you all realize that there are two distinct topics going on here. It started out being about the anti-SOPA/PIPA bills but then Hutch went off on a rant about Megaupload.
Personally, I don't know what that particular company's ethics and safeguards (or lack of) were but I am fully for the protections of the various file storage companies. Now, if it turns out that Megaupload can be proven to have encouraged pirating, well, maybe I'll think differently about that particular company but only that company.
The fact that the owners made tons of money does not, in itself, prove there was anything nefarious going on. It's an international company that sold a crap load of ads while also selling lots of premium memberships. To begrudge them for being successful is wrong. Again, if it can be proved that they did so encourage pirating, than I'll change my tune regarding that one company.
Now, if it does turn out that Megaupload was sailing the biggest pirate vessel of all, it still does nothing whatsoever to lessen the dangers of the SOPA and PIPA bills. If you think these are solely about the abuses of file storage lockers, than you don't have a flipping clue what is in these bills. Yeah, I'm talking to you Hutch. Bet you never bothered to watch that video I posted earlier. It would do you well to do so. Believe me, a high number of people who are against these bills are against illegal downloading. They are just on the ball enough to understand the dangers wrapped up in these nasty pieces of legislation.
Onto the next puzzle piece of a very big and extremely dangerous picture looming in our immediate future...
maybe you'll listen to Glenn Greenwald
There is one sentence from that article that basically sums it all up:
"The U.S. really is a society that simply no longer believes in due process: once the defining feature of American freedom that is now scorned as some sort of fringe, radical, academic doctrine."
This is where all the bleating about "power to the people" and "the 99% vs the 1%" is completely off mark. Due process has been stripped away because the overwhelming majority of people are OK with that, depending on which kind of bogeyman (terrorist, drug dealer, child abuser, flag burner, etc.) upsets them.
I couldn't agree more with what Doomie posted here. Making this all the worse is yet another draconian puzzle piece being forced upon us: the NDAA bill.
Combine that with SOPA and PIPA, this whole board, including Seth (since he owns the board) and Hutch could be black bagged and locked up with the key thrown away for something as simple as posting some news article and no one would know about it, nor would we be able to call a lawyer or have any of those other rights we have been afforded because of our protections under the rights of due process. If you think the way the Megaupload thing was handled was wrong, legislation is being crafted to allow for things to get much, much worse and there may not be a damned thing that we can do about it.
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OK Anonymous just lost me.
They just posted a tweet asking Skrillex to make them a DDOS soundtrack.
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And unlawful site seizures and arrests beget unfortunate situations like this. (http://www.filesonic.com/)
That site I've actually used for sharing files legitimately.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089954/Megaupload-founder-Kim-Dotcom-sprang-electronic-locks-Bond-villain-lair-police-swooped.html
"what a big fucking pussy this guy is . . . just like the people who defend him."
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Download the latest Joseph Arthur album for free here:
http://www.josepharthur.com/
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I'm liking this one so far. http://ge.tt. 2 GB of space with a free account and uploading is nice and fast. Sleek interface. That's how they all start, though until the ads start popping up, cluttering the site.