The Passion of the Christ: please help me

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by TheWaz:
 first of all, before i go into any detail, you claim that all life stems from 2 individuals, which is impossible because there would not have been enough ginetic diversity to create generations of children.
 
 in response to pascal, if you belive dont believe in god, theny ou dont end up in heaven of hell, because there is no god, and this is what you believe, so making an argument that you COULD end up in heaven if you belive in god isnt going to sway anyone who doesnt belive in god.

i claim nothing. . .even the bible misses out on this.  even though man started with adam and eve, there is no problem finding wives for their sons once they leave paradise. . .i've never quite understood it either
 
 as for your second paragraph, well, it's a run-on sentence with numerous grammatical errors that don't help in explaining your point. . .use the markie edit feature, and clarify, please.

What if God's not one of us
 ...just an alien on the bus?

[HoyaSaxa03]

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/272005mf.asp
 
 Scalia told the faithful in Baton Rouge to "have the courage to have your wisdom regarded as stupidity. Be fools for Christ. And have the courage to suffer the contempt of the sophisticated world."
 
 Yes, but know this -- the most passionate contempt will be reserved for those who, when the darkness seems to be winning, shine the light of God's glory and illuminate the gloomiest situations. Be prepared, at that very point of redemption, for the onslaught of the scorn of which Scalia speaks.
 
 And bask in it.

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[TheWaz]

ah, well it appeared as if you were making that claim, but it applies either way.
 
 as for my spelling, as someone already pointed out, my english teacher didnt exist.  and of course, this forum isnt important enough to send everything i write through a word processor.

[markie]

WAZ, read this!
 
   

Originally posted by TheWaz:
 [qb] first of all, before i go into any detail, you claim that all life stems from 2 individuals, which is impossible because there would not have been enough ginetic diversity to create generations of children.
 
 [/b]

Actually you are wrong on multiple levels.
 
 Adam and Eve were genetically perfect. So it would be fine generating a multiple generations from them. Over time mutation would lead to the diversity we have today.

[TheWaz]

but their children will have the same genetics, and they would have had to mate with eachother, and there is no genetic diversity there.  and inbreeding upon inbreeding will not be able to continue forever.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by TheWaz:
  but their children will have the same genetics, and they would have had to mate with eachother, and there is no genetic diversity there.  and inbreeding upon inbreeding will not be able to continue forever.

which is how mutations occur.  this was all spelled out in Jurassic Park.

[markie]

Originally posted by TheWaz:
  but their children will have the same genetics, and they would have had to mate with eachother, and there is no genetic diversity there.  and inbreeding upon inbreeding will not be able to continue forever.

Wrong! They are genetically perfect. They have no recessive lethals or deleterious traits. Therefore their offspring can mate with each other. The interbreeding can continue forever. Until mutation takes hold which generates diversity and eventually supplies a strong selection against inter-breeding.

[Arthwys]

I believe it was C.S. Lewis that tried to point out that we must remember we're talking about  God here.  Of course one can't expect to apply things like science and logic to understand God, he's above all that.  It's a part of creation that things like logic and science work, but since God created those rules, he's not bound by them.  At any rate, I don't see any place in the Bible where it said that Adam and Eve were the  only people until they had children.  Just that they were the first.  I'm also one of those crazies that sees no conflict between creation as told in the Bible and evolution/big bang and all that.  Just don't take the 7 days as literal 24 hour periods and everything falls into place.

Originally posted by Forumie Partie Markie:
  Wrong! They are genetically perfect. They have no recessive lethals or deleterious traits. Therefore their offspring can mate with each other. The interbreeding can continue forever. Until mutation takes hold which generates diversity and eventually supplies a strong selection against inter-breeding.

Don't listen to markie.  He thinks this dude is THE ANNOINTED ONE

[TheWaz]

Originally posted by L. O. Cutionist:
   

Originally posted by Forumie Partie Markie:
  Wrong! They are genetically perfect. They have no recessive lethals or deleterious traits. Therefore their offspring can mate with each other. The interbreeding can continue forever. Until mutation takes hold which generates diversity and eventually supplies a strong selection against inter-breeding.

Don't listen to markie.  He thinks this dude is THE ANNOINTED ONE [/b]

thats what i thought until i actually heard him play.  you dont expect that to actually sound good do you?  unless he puts cards in the spokes.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by TheWaz:
  but their children will have the same genetics, and they would have had to mate with eachother, and there is no genetic diversity there.  and inbreeding upon inbreeding will not be able to continue forever.

which is how mutations occur.  this was all spelled out in Jurassic Park. [/b]

Exactly.  This is also very well documented in white ghettos I have visited in Philly and Richmond.  After years of inbreeding, a sort of genetically perfect "super race" has emerged.

Originally posted by Arthwys:
  I believe it was C.S. Lewis that tried to point out that we must remember we're talking about  God here.  Of course one can't expect to apply things like science and logic to understand God, he's above all that.  It's a part of creation that things like logic and science work, but since God created those rules, he's not bound by them.  At any rate, I don't see any place in the Bible where it said that Adam and Eve were the  only people until they had children.  Just that they were the first.  I'm also one of those crazies that sees no conflict between creation as told in the Bible and evolution/big bang and all that.  Just don't take the 7 days as literal 24 hour periods and everything falls into place.

It doesn't really matter what quote you pull from some great author/philosopher of the past.  If God were all powerful, why wouldn't he create a perfect cosmos.  This imperfection implies that "Omnipotence" is a concept that GOD does not really understand.  
 
 Or that HE really digs seeing small animals suffer.  Either way, far from ideal...

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by L. O. Cutionist:
  It doesn't really matter what quote you pull from some great author/philosopher of the past.  If God were all powerful, why wouldn't he create a perfect cosmos.  This imperfection implies that "Omnipotence" is a concept that GOD does not really understand.  
 
 Or that HE really digs seeing small animals suffer.  Either way, far from ideal...

why would he want to create a perfect cosmos?  again, as posted above, god, as creator, is above all human logic and explanation.  he does as he sees fit, for whatever reason.  anyway, either/or propositions don't fit within a logical argument anymore, as derrida has shown that there is always at least a 3rd option.  
 
 so, to your small animal dying. . .presuming you are the owner of the small dog, what lessons does that impress on to you? that life and love are fleeting, and that you should live each day to the fullest?  or, someone could take it that as a sign that god is unpleased with that person.  in any event, that animal is now "in a better place."  for every death, a new life is made.  it's part of the cycle of life, regardless of whether it is a plant, animal or human. . .