Fantasy Baseball

[vansmack]

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
  if you just add those two pitching cat's, you're suddenly adding a ton of value to workhorse aces, which i guess is good ...

That was my exact argument that went by the wayside.  I thought it was a terrible idea.  And as it turned out, only one stat accurately predicted the final standings - Shutouts.  Every other stat had varying degrees of how each team finished.  The stats for shutouts were exaclty the same as the final standings for the overall league.  Complete games were only 3 teams off.    I should point out that I don't run this league,  I'm merely a participant.
 
 

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
 and with 9 batting cat's vs. 8 pitching cat's, hitters are intrinsicly worth more in your league than a pitcher, is that by design? why not cut AVG if you have OPS?

It's keeping the balance that led us to adding CG and ShO, otherwise the categories were heavily in favor of offense.  The argument was that you have 9 position players and a DH playing every day, and maybe 2 starters and 3 relievers at most in any given day, so the categories are already tilted towards putting a premium on offensive players.  By adding CG and ShO, it altered the balance in favor of pitchers in an attempt to counter the offensive balance, probably too far however as you've correctly noticed the extreme importance of Workhorse pitchers.

[Guiny]

You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.

What do you mean?  I thought there was fantasy/roto vs. head 2 head?
 
 In one 12 team league, we use 8 categories on each side, total points in each category get you the corresponding number of points relative to other teams (12 for first place, 1 for last place).  Highest total points for all categories wins.  
 
 My keeper league is weekly H2H.
 
 Yours is different?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  You have to remember, mine is a fantasy league and goes by points. It's not Roto which are catagories. In our league usually good pitching wins over good hitting.

What do you mean?  I thought there was fantasy/roto vs. head 2 head?
 
 In one 12 team league, we use 8 categories on each side, total points in each category get you the corresponding number of points relative to other teams (12 for first place, 1 for last place).  Highest total points for all categories wins.  
 
 My keeper league is weekly H2H.
 
 Yours is different? [/b]

yours is a roto league, his is fantasy points ... you get or lose points for EVERYTHING that a player does, and you dont rank the teams, you just have standings where you total everyone's points ... kind of like a fantasy football league where you get 6 points for a TD
 
 i'd love to do this sometime because you could really assign a "value" to everything a player does, whether it be an iBB or a hit-by-pitch, it's amazingly comprehensive, even with a free service like yahoo ... BUT it would take such a long time to figure out the values of each statistic so as to make their full value in-line with what it should be ... like i noted above, one little problem could throw the whole thing off and make a singles hitter really valuable, or something similar...

[Guiny]

Ours is a weekly league. We have four divisions of four teams. So you always go head to head with the three teams in your division plus four teams from another division. So weekly the best you can be is 7-0 if you have more points then everyone else. We prefer the division v. division as opposed to playing the WHOLE league every week. Just to let you guys know, pitcher get 15 pts for a win and -5 pts for a loss. Relievers get 10 pts for a save and -5 for the blown save. Plus the added and minuses for strikeouts, walks and earned runs.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
  you get or lose points for EVERYTHING that a player does, and you dont rank the teams, you just have standings where you total everyone's points ... kind of like a fantasy football league where you get 6 points for a TD

Got it.  And that's not head 2 head?  Just total points?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
 pitcher get 15 pts for a win and -5 pts for a loss. Relievers get 10 pts for a save and -5 for the blown save. Plus the added and minuses for strikeouts, walks and earned runs.

Holy shit.  My head would be spinning for weeks trying to figure out advantages vs. disadvantages.

[HoyaSaxa03]

I spend days trying to come up with the right formula come football time .. i.e., trying to undervalue TDs, boost the value of workhorse RBs who may not score much, posession receivers who may not score much ... keyshawn for the bucs in 02 is a prime example, tons of yards, tons of catches, 1 td, in most leagues, he would have been crap, in my league, he was a good player
 
 i'd have to do the same thing with baseball and it would take WEEKS, at minimum, to make sure it all worked out ... although i bet someone's posted a really good formula somewhere ...
 
 rob, do you pitchers get minus points for hits or just walks?  if i did it, i'd want to include everything like wild pitches, balks, errors, assists, putouts, sacrifice flies and hits, double plays grounded into, and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.

[vansmack]

You guys have broken me down.  I'm in.
 
 I'll convince venerable to take the last spot when he gets here tonight.

[BookerT]

and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.  

[ratioci nation]

I am pretty sure I will be in last in this league.  Several years ago I spent a lot of time on this and had several teams, but I havent had a team in any sport for a few years now, looks like you guys take it seriously, should be fun.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by BookerT:
   

and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.  

[/b]

Can I get that sortable?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by BookerT:
   

and come up with a real composite of a player's worth.  

[/b]

interesting, thanks for the link ... i'll go on that website and stay on there for hours, so much shit going on there ... the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here ...

[HoyaSaxa03]

vote update:
 
 freddy: AVG
 keithstg: AVG
 RobGee: OBP
 bookerT: OBP
 hoya: OBP
 tenfifteen: OBP
 ratioci: indifferent
 
 keep 'em coming ....

[BookerT]

 the real question would be how to assign these statistics fantasy points and have the total fantasy points for a year by each pitcher correspond to the list here ...  

yeah, i guess ... i dunno, i love those guys over at BP, a year subscription for $40 is truly a great bargain, and i just might call in sick to work on tuesday when BP2005 hits the bookshelves, but i'm sort of a traditionalist when it comes to fantasy.
 
 i think part of what makes it fun is that guys like crawford or pierre are more valuable than they really are, and there's strategy invovled in that. while i have no problem replacing avg with obp, all of these crazy point systems seem to be just a bit much. you don't want to make it so academic, y'know?
 
 that said, i was expecting this to be a sort of casual league, where i could grab someone like, say, jake peavy relatively late. but it's looking like this one will be pretty competitive as well. which is excellent, because active leagues are so much better. and i've never done a mixed league before, so that should be fun, too.
 
 and vansmack, sorry, no sortable table for those stats, at least not that i can find on there. might you be able to throw everything into an excel spreadsheet? i don't really know how that works, but it seems kind of unlikely that it would put everything it the right columns and everything.