Those ribbons

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
   

Originally posted by Samantha:
   http://www.lungcancer.org/patients/fs_pc_lc_101.htm  

Ok, sorry about this, but from your link:
 
 "More than 87% of lung cancers are smoking related"
 
 This does not fit well with your earlier statistics..... Whether you like it or not most lung cancer is self-inflicted and as such I guess it is pretty hard to raise sympathy/charitable money for it. [/b]

HELLO...SMOKING RELATED...second hand smoke is smoking related.  doesn't mean the person smoked.
 
 how come you're so quick to blame?  and why should others suffer for it?  that's a bit fucked up.but still, do you see where I'm going with?

[markie]

Smoking related cases makes up 90% of lung cancer victims. All of these cancers were preventable. What is the point spending millions on a cure when prevention would be 90% effective and cost free?
 
 Try and distance yourself from your own personal situation.
 
 I never smoked, I always hated smoking. If I get lung cancer I am going to be suing the blackcat.

[Samantha]

you can't make other people stop smoking.  suing isn't going to do anything to save your life.  and I don't see why, just because it's "self-inflicted" those people don't deserve a cure as well.  that's a very harsh, unforgiving, republican way of looking at things.

[poorlulu]

Originally posted by Samantha:
  you can't make other people stop smoking.  

That is true.
 
 But you can ban cigarette smoking in public spaces and tax the shit out of cigarettes. More lung cancers will be prevented that way than by spending $100 millions on a cure.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  And I'm sick of all the fucking Kerry/Edwards and Bush/Cheney stickers on cars. Enough of that shit already.

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[Samantha]

again, you can't stop people around you from smoking.  your parents, your loved ones...and what about OTHER nasty shit in the air? like car pollution and smog.  cancer happens...saying people deserve agonizing death is just inhumane.

[Guiny]

I don't mind the ribbons at all. But I do still laugh at the losers who still have this sticker on their cars. "Like father, like son, no second term"....Frickin' morons.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

on the topic of research-vs-prevention:  for fuck's sake!  It reminds me of how right-wingers used to say (and probably still do) that AIDS was God's way of punishing gays.  Even if most lung cancer comes from smoking, there will always be a certain percentage that is caused by other things, including simply having to live in a nasty smog-infested environment.  Prevention is important but cancer research is necessary too.  And in some ways the argument is moot: it's not like lung cancer research is a completely separate endeavor from, say, breast cancer research.  All cancer is related, and efforts towards eradicating and treating cancer benefit everyone.

[markie]

Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
 All cancer is related.

Cancers are often not particularly closely related at all and treatments for cancers are often not at all related.
 
 Comparing cancer and aids is interesting..... But we must procreate to satiate our selfish genes. There is no reason for anyone to smoke.

[eltee]

Originally posted by hitman:
   

Originally posted by Jaguär:
  This fits how I feel about all of these dumbass ribbons.
 
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ditto! [/b]

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  But I am wearing the ribbon. He is wearing the ribbon. We are all wearing the ribbon! So why aren't you going to wear the ribbon?!

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
   

Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
 All cancer is related.

Cancers are often not particularly closely related at all and treatments for cancers are often not at all related.
 
 Comparing cancer and aids is interesting..... But we must procreate to satiate our selfish genes. There is no reason for anyone to smoke. [/b]

there's a need for people to smoke like there's a need for people to drink coffee or alcohol.  people smoke to satiate our addict genes.

Smoking is a social skill, just like sex is a social skill.  It's all about socialization.
 
 Are YOU a social animal too?
 
 
 Not me!  I'm a social insect.

[jkeisenh]

i've been in the midwest since Wed and almost every car has one of those stoopid things. i want to steal them all.
 
 funnyest one:
 God will bless America when America comes back to God.
 
 cute.

Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
   i want to steal them all.
 
 

Swipe 'em and sell 'em bulk on eBAY.  It's how I make my living, "Lot of 100 assorted magnetic/patriotic ribbons..."

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Originally posted by Samantha:
   

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
 But we must procreate to satiate our selfish genes. There is no reason for anyone to smoke.

people smoke to satiate our addict genes. [/b]

hmm, how many people actually have sex to procreate?   Sex, drinking, and smoking, are all to some extent driven by inner compulsions that are a part of being human.  You can control unsafe behavior but there will always be a certain percentage of the population who will be at risk.   So it still comes down to either "it's their fault, they deserve to die," or an approach that's a little more compassionate.  In either the case of lung cancer or HIV, we're talking about millions of people.   I don't really think it comes down to prevention vs. treatment.  We need to have both.