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Re: Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2006, 06:33:00 am »
I don't see what the big deal is.  If someone wants to pay $17 for an entree, who cares?  I eat out in DC all the time, and $17's usually closer to the max of what I ever pay for the whole meal + drinks.  This might be an issue if there were no affordable choices, but there are tons and tons of yummy restaurant options in Doom City where the entree's under 10 bucks.
 
 Anyway, in restaurants you're paying for the ambience and the priviledge of having someone bring you your food as much as you're actually paying for the food.  Some of the best meals I've had in this city have been out of a paper bag sitting on an apartment house stoop on a perfect warm evening with someone special.  Now that's what I'm talkin' about.
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2006, 07:00:00 am »
Since nobody has said it...
 
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2006, 07:37:00 am »
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  anybody who needs to waste money like that to have a good time drinking is seriously warped.
this is why god invented violent street crime and muggings!
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2006, 07:59:00 am »
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 I'm sorry, but living in the U St area for just a year is nothing to really make your point valid but welcome to the neighborhood. Glad you waited until it was cool, hip and safer.
 
 
I didn't know those little industrial DJ kits came with a high horse.  Get over yourself, dude.

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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2006, 08:59:00 am »
I do agree with Mindcage that a lot of the newbies moving into the neighborhood suck.  Present company excepted, I'm sure.  But one of the pleasures of living downtown used to be the interesting people you'd get to know as neighbors, and there just aren't that many cool people around anymore.  A little-known fact of life seems to be that people who'll pay a half-million dollars or more for a fake loft in a building with Disneyesque banners saying "urban living" hanging on the sides just aren't very interesting.
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2006, 09:07:00 am »
So does one have to be a fat black man who sits outside the Black Cat going "Black Cat, Black Cat" in order to be interesting?

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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2006, 09:20:00 am »
Hey, I make over 60k a year, but after student loan payments, exorbitant DC rent, transportation expenses (and I don't even have a car), cable and phone bill, clothes for work, and on and on, 17 bucks still seems too much to pay for dinner at an overrated "martini bar," where I can sit next to a gaggle of hill staffers in butterfly tops getting wasted and screeching about how their boyfriends really wanted to come along tonight but they had to work, blah blah blah.  Why do that when you could have better food at Ben's or Dukem or any number of places, in a less pretentious environment, for much less money? Like I said before, what extra spending money I have I'd rather spend on concert tickets.  But if eating "fancy food" is more important to you, go for it, I won't try to stop you.  Just seems like a waste to me, unless it's a special occasion.  
 
 But this, like dropping hundreds of dollars for a "table" at some club, is a matter of taste.  Some people are born into money, roll around in it their entire lives, and like to throw it around meaninglessly.  Those of us who had to put ourselves through school (or who just work for a living) don't do those things.  And face it, most pre-2000 residents of U street don't fall into the martinis-and-table-fees category, and, while I'm sure they're happy at the reduced crime and increased police presence in their neighborhood, would still like to be able to afford and fit in at some neighborhood bars.  But the tide of gentrification is unstoppable I guess.

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Re: Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2006, 09:34:00 am »
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 A little-known fact of life seems to be that people who'll pay a half-million dollars or more for a fake loft in a building with Disneyesque banners saying "urban living" hanging on the sides just aren't very interesting.  
think about it, this quote tends to be a true statement.  it is certainly not a maxim, but it is more accurate than not.  if the statement is true, then there are probably going to be less interesting characters hanging around most of the time.  for the most part, the only people with enough cheese (outside of the occasional trust funded bon vivant...and why would they live in DC???) in DC who can afford $500,000 - $1,000,000 fake lofts are big-firm lawyers and lobbyists and they tend to not have piles of free time on their hands.  think about who would desire to live in one of those places.  likewise, there will also be less derelicts hanging around so there is a ying and a yang to gentrification.  i think it sucks though when regular people can't continue to rent, eat, and drink in their neighborhood b/c of rampant and explosive gentrification and have to move.  that hurts a neighborhood.  it's a tale that repeats itself in up and coming neighborhoods in more desireable cities every decade in america so i don't really know that anything can be done about it short of implementing strict rent control laws. (see - not happening)

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Re: Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2006, 10:18:00 am »
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 I didn't know those little industrial DJ kits came with a high horse.  Get over yourself, dude.
They come with a high horse and some knowledge of how the area has changed in the last 10+ years while supporting many of the establishments in the area the whole time. Unlike the majority that's moved in within the last 2 years. All they know it's a "hot" real estate market and an "upcoming" area. They couldn't give a shit about the elderly Etheopian woman who has lived there for 20 years and has the market on the corner of the block. They see that as a place "urban" people only will step foot in because it's not Whole Foods on P St. Therefore, when people hang outside of these smaller Mom and Pop markets they see it as "trouble" and want the store gone and put her store out of business. What do they want some shitty clothing store or overpriced furniture store in place of it?  Funny no one had the problem before some douchebag that just dropped $700K on a 1 bedroom condo that is afraid of the "urban" living even during the daytime. I believe the Washington Post had an article about this very same thing regarding Paradise Liquor on 14th and T St. Something like "I didn't want to subject my guests that come to visit me to see bulletproof glass." So it's not about a high horse as it is wanting to perserve my neighborhood and keep it friendly and diverse. We've had great neighborhood block parties every summer. In the last two years it's gotten smaller and smaller only because these new people don't want to associate with the rest of us.
 
 Like Jaguar said "I just don't want to be eventually forced out by the elite taking over and pushing the more affordable activities out."  Unfortunately Jag...it's already been happening and will continue to happen. Think about it...Polly's raised their prices that were just so rediculous for that place only because the newer trendy places were coming in at $10 burgers. Republic Gardens had to change around quite a bit if it even thought about staying open in the neighborhood. Why do you think they have such crazy table service for such a shithole? Because the new neighborhood bitched about all the "colored" people frequenting the neighborhood for Republic Gardens and being loud. So to help with the clientel, they've just made it more expensive hoping to elimiate the lower class people that use to frequent Republic Gardens. Neighborhood Association meetings are rather amusing sometimes. They wouldn't flat out say they were trying to shutdown every club that catered to "colored" people but funny how they keep targeting them.  I have more of an issue with the suburban white kids coming in and leaving all their bottles from the drive in and pissing in the alleys before the drive home.
 
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Re: Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2006, 10:18:00 am »
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  Hoya, I bet your parents paid for your tuition. Guess what. Mine didn't give me one red cent! Try making almost nothing and still having to pay back all those loans yourself. A lot of us know how that cuts into all of those $17+ entrees.
like i said, i didn't want to get into some pissing match here ... but i'll be coming out of school with six-figure debt, and i'm not exactly looking forward to it
 
 all i was saying was that Creme's prices (mid-teens) were reasonable for fantastic food (it's really not overrated, kled) in the district ... at most other places, similar dishes would be in the mid-20s ... when compared to chain food entrees at places like chili's and outback that cost the same amount (and they do), there's simply no comparison ... and like everyone else said, there are plenty of places to get great CHEAP food in the area, it's not like the people posting on here eat out at nice restaurants 6 times a week (or at least i assume they don't)
 
 that's all i was trying to say, sorry to offend you jag ... or to use my favorite sportcenter line at the moment, "excuse my bellicosity"
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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2006, 10:25:00 am »
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Originally posted by yinzer:
  for the most part, the only people with enough cheese (outside of the occasional trust funded bon vivant...and why would they live in DC???) in DC who can afford $500,000 - $1,000,000 fake lofts are big-firm lawyers and lobbyists and they tend to not have piles of free time on their hands.
frankly, the price range you quoted seems to be the going rate for 2 bedroom apartments through smallish row houses in good neighborhoods, let alone a "fake luxury loft"
 
 how about the penthouse loft on 18th street right next to the reef and across from madams organ and stuff ... $2.8 million!  if you had that kind of money to throw down for an urban loft, why the hell would you want to live on the strip in adams morgan?!
 
 my friends live in an apartment right across the street from it, and it seems like the only time people are there are during weekend evenings, and mainly to throw "parties" (a smattering of boring people holding wine glasses on the balcony) ... i'm guessing it's some kind of corporate-owned thing?
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Re: Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2006, 10:35:00 am »
Another example of newcomers forcing their will on neighborhoods is people who've been trying to impose changes on downtown churches, which as anyone who knows DC knows, are the cornerstone of old-school DC neighborhood life.
 
 I've heard that a lot of the people moving into the $million+ Adams-Morgan "lofts" have been complaining about the noise from the neighborhood businesses.  You know where that will lead.
 
 The one thing that kind of surprises me is that the people who are getting pushed out haven't reacted more strongly, maybe because it's been happening gradually.  I've heard stories of kids throwing stones at yuppie bicyclists, but that's about it.
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2006, 10:41:00 am »
And if being on a bicycle isn't the ultimate symbol of being a "yuppie", I don't know what is...

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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2006, 10:44:00 am »
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  Another example of newcomers forcing their will on neighborhoods is people who've been trying to impose changes on downtown churches, which as anyone who knows DC knows, are the cornerstone of old-school DC neighborhood life.
i think this issue is a lot more complicated than just newcomers trying to "impose changes" on churches ... the double-parking problem is a real one, and the shiloh baptist stonewalling of vegetate is pure bullshit, especially when irresponsible corner liquor stores are even closer to them
 
 
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  I've heard that a lot of the people moving into the $million+ Adams-Morgan "lofts" have been complaining about the noise from the neighborhood businesses.  You know where that will lead.
simply retarded, i agree ... someone moved into a rowhouse directly across from georgetown's campus gates, and proceeded to complain about noise from students for months on end, what the fuck did you expect?  whoever through a brick through his window in response to his whining wasn't too nice about it, though.
 
 
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 The one thing that kind of surprises me is that the people who are getting pushed out haven't reacted more strongly, maybe because it's been happening gradually.  I've heard stories of kids throwing stones at yuppie bicyclists, but that's about it.
have you been following this whole thing on DCist?  are you defending these kids?
 
 by the way, did anyone notice the police helicopter circling rock creek park in between adams morgan and woodley park last night?  shit was going on until after 2am, really loud and annoying, i guess they were looking for some carjacking suspect
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2006, 10:46:00 am »
The notion that hordes of people are "pushed out" by gentrification is largely a falsehood born of misplaced white guilt.