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markie

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2003, 02:37:00 pm »
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  I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations.  thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
 
 But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true.

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2003, 02:39:00 pm »
No, that's not it.  I like early Sting, but it's so "rock-lite" now.  Though, granted, better rock lite than actual rock lite.
 
 I LOVE the Police -- they were my lifetime fave, though I'm not sure who is now.  But, Sting has changed a lot, so I think it's valid to love and respect the Police and not give a crud about the new Sting album...
 
 
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Someone seems to know quite a bit about Sting........ [/b]
Success = uncool
 
 perhaps? [/b]

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2003, 02:39:00 pm »
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 Success = uncool
 
 perhaps?
self-righteous, pompous, tantric sexing, tree hugging, hypocritical, Jazz musician who makes really crap pop records.
 
 Save the rainforest one year, doing adverts for Jaguar the next.
 
 Oh it makes me mad. [/b]
Yet you'll pay to see the movie directed by a child molester....interesting.
 
 DISCLAIMER!
 I am not a Sting fan...although I did like the Englishman in New York song.

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2003, 02:41:00 pm »
Quite a few.  I'd say a lot of my friends who aren't all that in to music (ie, they'd never buy a music mag and rarely go to shows, barring the occasional Simon & Garfunkel reunion tour).
 
 And gay guys.  Dance music and VH-1 crap.  They're also the guys I know who buy John Mayer and Counting Crows.
 
 
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how many people do you know buy Dave Matthews Band and Sting albums? [/QB][/QUOTE]

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2003, 02:41:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations.  thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
 
 But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
I don't think its necessarily untrue.  
 
 That demographic certainly can't read Rolling Stone anymore and the indie magazines are probably more than they want.  A nice glossy with a spread on the interior design of Sting's 14th-century castle, some "thrift-store chic" fashion tips from Norah Jones, and a primer on exfoliation from Michael Stipe may hit a underserved market.

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2003, 02:42:00 pm »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations.  thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
 
 But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
perhaps the article may have misguided. I mean, could thye really even MAKE a magazine about just a few others.  Its possible that the article just listed the most well known artists the magazine would be covering.  Perhaps the 3 big articles may be about Sting and REM but more content featuring other artists.
 
   I dont see why I care, or why i may be defending it...because it sounds silly to me as well.

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2003, 02:42:00 pm »
I hear you.  I'm basing it on the buying habits of a number of my friends...
 
 
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  I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations.  thats all.

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2003, 02:45:00 pm »
I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
 
 
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations.  thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
 
 But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
I don't think its necessarily untrue.  
 
 That demographic certainly can't read Rolling Stone anymore and the indie magazines are probably more than they want.  A nice glossy with a spread on the interior design of Sting's 14th-century castle, some "thrift-store chic" fashion tips from Norah Jones, and a primer on exfoliation from Michael Stipe may hit a underserved market. [/b]

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2003, 02:46:00 pm »
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  I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
 
especially a glossy one.
 
 
 but maybe thats why none of us are in marketing  :)

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2003, 02:47:00 pm »
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  Yet you'll pay to see the movie directed by a child molester....interesting.
 
  [/QB]
If his music was any good, I doubt the rest would bother me so much. I can forgive great crimes if there is great art.

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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2003, 02:48:00 pm »
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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2003, 02:49:00 pm »
Dupek Chopra is demented!   :D

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2003, 03:25:00 pm »
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  I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
 
I think it could work.
 
 - "Older" people are buying more music.
 - There isn't a magazine serving this market.
 - The demographic has high disposable income.
 - Magazine readership is up, especially among households making >$60,000.
 
 Of course, a lot would depend on the content of the magazine.  I agree that this demographic probably doesn't want endless arcane information about the band members, but if it were a music magazine with a mix of other style-related articles, I don't think it would have a lot of trouble reaching its target circulation of 100,000

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2003, 03:34:00 pm »
On the surface the rationale for this new publication is plausible--it is a niche that is not currently filled.  However, I strongly suspect that is because it's not a very big niche.  It was prudent of them to manage downward their first-year circulation expectations.  To get beyond that level will require one of two things to happen.  Either there really are hordes of older music consumers out there, aching to learn more in-depth information about music and musicians, who have somehow been missed all these years by all the other trendspotters in the magazine and entertainment delivery industries (unlikely, but possible); or the appearance of this magazine will become a catalytic event, mobilizing older, somnolent music consumers to care suddenly once again about having a level of involvement with their music that they mostly abandoned many years before, or never previously enjoyed at all ("unlikely" doesn't begin to cover it).
 
 While there are exceptions (some of whom post here), it is  generally the case that as people age, they are less and less intensely involved with the recorded music they listen to.  It becomes a soundtrack, or backdrop, to the rest of their lives rather than a primary activity.  Very few people my age will simply sit and listen hard to a CD end-to-end, trying to relate actively to whatever the artist is laying down.  Listening for them is mostly passive, intermittent, and accompanied by involvement in other activities requiring the better part of their attention.
 
 Two things (at least) contribute to this change in listening habits.  One is that as people get older, there are more demands on their time and they acquire other primary avocations.  It's harder to budget the time to music appreciation--especially recorded music appreciation--that a younger person might.  A second, related factor is that really getting inside a genre, artist, or even a particular composition is almost like learning a new language.  To the hardcore music fan, this discovery process is one of the real joys of fandom.  To many aging and disengaging former hardcore fans (and 100% of casual listeners), learning more languages becomes harder and harder to commit to.  So their musical tastes increasingly get frozen in time.  Sting may be a pale caricature of his former incarnation as a Policeman, but the people who once learned how to appreciate his musical and songwriting techniques don't have to work very hard to get something out of his latest CD.  For them, it encapsulates some of the feelings and responses they once had to his earlier work, just by being recognizably his.  So they'll buy it.
 
 Does that mean they'll also buy a magazine full of a former rock star's meandering thoughts, pictures of his home furnishing choices, and copious advertising for expensive knockoffs of those choices?  Nobody asked me, but I don't think I'd have invested in that venture.
 
 Interestingly (to me anyway), the relationship which those same over-the-hill maybe-pseudo-former fans have with live music is much more similar to the way fanatics like the readers of this board relate to live performances by the newer, more original, and generally more passionate artists they favor.  That's why you'll see the geezers coming out of the woodwork to pay stupid prices for Eagles tickets.  And carrying on at the shows (to the extent their atrophied sense of rhythm and arthritic joints permit) like they think they remember they did 25 years ago.   :D

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Re: New Music Magazine for Old People!
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2003, 03:37:00 pm »
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I'm in this odd, indie middle ground.  I love it, but few reach me.  (Okay, I love Magnet, and am giving CMJ another chance.)
make no mistake, you are being reached---part of the marketing strategy to "indie" hipsters is to make them think they are not being marketed to and that they discover stuff on their own