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Critics Question the Fillmore Plans
« on: November 24, 2007, 10:43:00 pm »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/24/AR2007112400614_pf.html
 
 Critics Question Fillmore Plans
 9:30 Club's Offer For Silver Spring Tantalizes Some
 
 By Ann E. Marimow
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Sunday, November 25, 2007; C01
 
 When negotiations to bring a Birchmere Music Hall to Silver Spring collapsed after five years in the works, Montgomery County leaders were anxious to find a new partner to enliven a boarded-up downtown block. County Executive Isiah Leggett had spent political capital fighting to fund the Birchmere project, so his advisers were relieved to learn that Live Nation, a national brand, was interested in taking its place.
 
 "I thought, wow, a national company with a great name and access to a lot of acts," said Timothy Firestine, Leggett's chief administrative officer. "I thought it was an exciting opportunity."
 
 But even as Leggett (D) intends to finalize an agreement with Live Nation by the end of next month, a group of residents and County Council members are questioning whether his plan to spend $8 million in state and local funds to build one of the company's Fillmore clubs is the best deal for taxpayers.
 
 They are urging Leggett to consider a pitch from local promoter Seth Hurwitz, who says he can provide a "superior music venue at a dramatically reduced cost." Hurwitz, whose company owns the District's 9:30 Club and operates Merriweather Post Pavilion, said he is willing to pay twice as much in monthly rent as Live Nation, contribute $2 million to defray taxpayer cost, split the naming rights with the county and offer the venue rent-free to some community nonprofit groups.
 
 "The idea that you need to subsidize anyone in this place is nuts. Why they'd feel they need to give the place away is beyond me," said Hurwitz, of Bethesda-based IMP Productions. "This is such a ridiculous deal."
 
 Much is at stake for the county executive in the most high-profile, costly public project he has announced since taking office a year ago. Leggett and the owners of the property at the old JCPenney site, Lee Development Group, say the offer from Hurwitz arrived too late. To entertain Hurwitz's proposal would undermine the county's credibility in future business deals, they say.
 
 "You may be able to produce an immediate beneficial cost, but down the line, the loss of the credibility, your reputation, your honest dealings with people," Leggett said in an interview last week. "Not negotiating in good faith costs the county big time going down the line."
 
 He called the counteroffer "just a distraction."
 
 But some Silver Spring residents and council members, who control the county's checkbook, are not convinced.
 
 "I don't consider the case closed in support of any one operator," said council member George L. Leventhal (D-At Large).
 
 A neighborhood advisory committee appointed by the county executive is also pressing Leggett to look at Hurwitz's homegrown offer before signing a deal with the Los Angeles company.
 
 "If a local business owner is able to do what a national brand is able to do, and in a less expensive way, I don't know how or why we're not entertaining such offers," said Evan Glass, president of the South Silver Spring Neighborhood Association.
 
 Local sentiment is not unanimous. An organization that represents the presidents of 11 civic associations in the neighborhoods surrounding downtown Silver Spring reached consensus last week that the county should continue its course with Live Nation.
 
 Barbara Ditzler, president of the Woodside Park Civic Association, compared the county's relationship with that of a betrothed couple: "We shouldn't have Silver Spring dating other people now that he is engaged."
 
 Under the tentative agreement signed in September, the county and state would each invest $4 million to build a 32,000-square-foot venue at Colesville Road and Georgia Avenue. The developers would donate the land, worth about $3.5 million, to the county as part of their plans for a $110 million multiuse real estate project.
 
 Bruce Lee, president of Lee Development Group, said he is committed to Leggett and his deal with Live Nation. "We're moving fast and furious," he said.
 
 Ted Mankin, a Live Nation executive, deferred to the county on questions about the process. "We are really focused on completing our deal and moving forward," he said.
 
 Live Nation intends to create a venue for up to 2,000 people, for which it would pay monthly rent of at least $7,500 -- the same amount the Birchmere would have paid for a 750-person venue. The asking price for retail space in downtown Silver Spring generally ranges from $35 to $50 per square foot. Live Nation would pay just under $3, a reduced rate that the county says is a necessary incentive. The letter of intent also gives the company the option to buy the property after 16 years for $8 million.
 
 The numbers don't add up to council member Marc Elrich (D-At Large). "Why would we sell it for less than the current value, let alone the future value?" he asked.
 
 At a time when the county is facing a budget shortfall of about $400 million and legislators are poised to make $550 million in spending cuts statewide, Leggett should have used a formal bidding process, Elrich and some community members say.
 
 Hurwitz is trying to make that case. He has hired former Planning Board chairman Gus Bauman to provide political advice, enlisted a local law firm, consulted with an Annapolis lobbyist and is meeting one-on-one with council members and residents.
 
 When former county executive Douglas M. Duncan (D) was negotiating with the Alexandria-based Birchmere, Hurwitz said he took a pass because of that venue's special cabaret-style setting. But when he learned that the county had changed gears to create a larger nightclub, "it was time to speak up," Hurwitz said. His initial letter arrived six days after the county had signed with Live Nation.
 
 Firestine dismissed Hurwitz's proposal as a "cut and paste job" that cherry-picked details from an existing offer. "If you did business this way, anyone could come in at the eleventh hour, " he said.
 
 It seems unlikely, though, that the county would have been inclined to get serious with Hurwitz. When the Birchmere talks broke down, Leggett's spokesman Patrick Lacefield said, "the feedback we were getting from people was, 'whatever you do, we don't want the 9:30 Club.' "
 
 Hurwitz's spokeswoman, Audrey Fix Schaefer, said the company wants to build a new brand for Silver Spring, not re-create the 9:30 Club.
 
 Hurwitz has tangled with Live Nation before, arguing last year that its plan to build one of its House of Blues venues near the Walter E. Washington Convention Center would cut business at the 9:30 Club in half. Privately, some county officials question the seriousness of Hurwitz's Silver Spring offer, believing that it is nothing but a bid to keep out the competition.
 
 Hurwitz says he just wants a chance to compete with what he says is a better deal for taxpayers in the county where he lives.
 
 Montgomery's contracting law makes four exceptions for noncompetitive bidding, none of which Hurwitz's attorney says apply to the Live Nation deal. Raymond Sherbill, who represents IMP, said the county code, much like state and federal law, makes sole-source deals "the exception rather than the rule."
 
 Leggett administration officials say the county is on solid legal footing. The county's regulations apply to the acquisition of goods and services, not to land transactions or building leases. And the law provides an exemption for "obtaining entertainment services, including but not limited to contracts for musical performers."
 
 Just as the county has courted biotech companies with tax incentives, the county can seek out a single operator for a specific location when it involves an economic development initiative, Firestine said.
 
 In a letter to residents who have urged Leggett to think again about Live Nation, the county executive wrote that he views the company as a "unique partner for a unique project." That definition meets one of the sole source exceptions in county law, and is a case Duncan made in approaching the Birchmere.
 
 Hurwitz doesn't buy it. An analysis by his company shows an 84 percent overlap in performers who played at both the 9:30 Club and either a Fillmore or a House of Blues in 2006.
 
 No matter how the law is interpreted, residents who want Leggett to open up the process say the spirit of his approach to Live Nation seems at odds with his reputation for deliberation and promise as a candidate to create a more transparent form of government.
 
 "I don't care at the end of the day which one is there," said Philip Olivetti, a member of the Silver Spring Citizens Advisory Board. "It's what it does to people's trust in county government. When public money is involved, and at least on paper there is a potential savings for taxpayers, how you can simply dismiss it?"


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Re: Critics Question the Fillmore Plans
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 10:37:00 am »
Sorry to have a Jon Stossel moment here, but why is the county so involved in this, seeking out the "best deal for the taxpayers?"  Do the county or the taxpayers own the site?  If not, shouldn't the market decide the future of the development at the site?  Shouldn't it be strictly between the Lee Development Group and whichever party decides they want to buy or lease the site and offers the best deal to them?  
 
 Why does Ike Legget and the county have to get involved to begin with, or is MoCo really just that socialistic?

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2007, 11:28:00 am »
City politicians everywhere like to think they are more than what they are (which is small-time hacks responsible for running a moderately complex organization smoothly).   That's why they get involved in things like this, or commit taxpayers' money to sports stadiums, or take expensive taxpayer-funded junkets to foreign lands.  
 
 The only way to deal with it is repeated smackdowns from voters, but unfortunately people are generally too disorganized or apathetic to notice their interests are not being served.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2007, 08:43:00 pm »
the fillmore will be 5.5 miles from the 930.  what music could they book that would not be at the 930 or the birch?  then again at 2000 people that might compete with lisner and the warner.  live nation owns the warner.  i don't see why mr seth would even want another venue.  there is no way he could fill both venues nightly in this town.  as far as hurwitz tangling with live nation.  did he not do a show with live nation at the verizon?  politics + money make strange bedfellows.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2007, 08:54:00 pm »
Lisner does host LN shows too.
 
 
 As does DAR.
 
 
 This new venue will take away all the bands that play 2-3 night stands at the club; that'll hurt them greatly. They'll also probably lose quite a few of the bands that clearly are too big for the club (pumpkins, timberlake, etc.) So yeah I could definitely see this "fillmore" making a huge dent in IMP's profits.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 02:00:00 pm »
They were talking about this issue on WTOP last night as I was driving home.
 
 And dcist has a story on it today.

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 04:13:00 pm »
Here is a copy of Leggett's response to IMP:
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 02:49:00 am »
Whose Music in Silver Spring?
 
 By Steven Pearlstein
 Friday, November 30, 2007; D01
 
 It wasn't too many years ago that even street musicians would refuse to perform in downtown Silver Spring. Now things are so hopping that you've got Live Nation, the country's biggest live music outfit, and Seth Hurwitz, owner of the District's 9:30 Club and operator of the Merriweather Post Pavilion, in a nasty political catfight over the right to operate a new music venue there.
 
 This being Montgomery County, lawyers, lobbyists and public relations consultants have been hired, community groups have weighed in and there's as much concern about process as the actual decision itself.
 
 Caught in the middle is Ike Leggett, the county administrator, who sees the live music venue as the final piece of a thriving downtown entertainment district in Silver Spring.
 
 And pulling the strings behind the scenes is the politically connected Lee family -- Blair and Bruce -- which was willing to donate the land for a project that would serve as an amenity to a much larger development it is contemplating next door.
 
 The problem began in the spring when Leggett and the Lees concluded that they were never going to reach a satisfactory deal with the Birchmere, despite $8 million in state and county subsidies and strong community support for a Silver Spring branch of the Alexandria music hall.
 
 Part of it had to do with money: The Birchmere was adamant it could afford to put only $1 million of its own cash into a $9 million project that was increasingly looking as if it would cost even more. It didn't help matters that the Birchmere was also talking about opening another restaurant and club in Loudoun County.
 
 It was the Lees who made the first overture to Live Nation, which has recently been looking to open one of its House of Blues venues in the District after two of its other clubs (the Bayou and Nation) closed their doors. A public company with deep pockets and lots of development experience, Live Nation was willing to move quickly and sign the same deal hammered out with the Birchmere, along with a commitment to protect the county from any cost overruns. Worried about losing the Lees' land offer and anxious for agreement on a project that had already consumed five years of negotiation and $500,000 in design work, Leggett moved to close the deal.
 
 It was only then that Hurwitz raised his hand. In a proposal delivered to Leggett's office earlier this month, he offered to throw an extra $2 million of his own money into the project and pay double the rent while honoring all of the other obligations agreed to by Live Nation. Even more intriguing was an alternative offer to purchase the land from the Lees and build the club himself, with no government money at all.
 
 There is no mystery about Hurwitz's sudden interest in a Silver Spring venue. While the Birchmere's folk and bluesy offerings don't overlap much with those of the 9:30 Club, one of Live Nation's Fillmore clubs would compete directly for the limited number of rock music acts that draw a thousand patrons a night at anywhere from $25 to $50 a head. And, as we've seen, competition is not something Hurwitz accepts lightly.
 
 Last year, when a District agency announced a subsidized deal to bring a House of Blues to a downtown location, Hurwitz mounted an aggressive lobbying effort at the D.C. Council that effectively killed the proposal.
 
 And, according to a letter recently sent to county officials by Bill Muehlhauser, the owner of the Rams Head clubs in Annapolis and Baltimore, Hurwitz has used his leverage with bands to block them from appearing at Muelhauser's venues.
 
 Hurwitz claims that he's not against competition, just competition that is subsidized, as has been proposed in both the District and Silver Spring. But in the next breath he allows how competition is overrated. In a world where the most popular bands already have undue leverage over club owners in negotiating the financial split from ticket sales, Hurwitz predicts that having more clubs would only drive ticket prices higher and erode profit margins.
 
 You don't have to accept Hurwitz's critique of competition, however, to acknowledge that he's put forward a financial proposal attractive enough that county officials cannot ignore it. I don't buy Leggett's argument that backing out of the Live Nation deal now will forever brand the county as an unreliable business partner. Any business that has negotiated deals with local governments understands the political risks involved.
 
 The better course would be for Leggett to give Hurwitz 120 days to negotiate a land deal with the Lees, line up financing and sign a binding memorandum of understanding to build the facility. If he can pull it off, Leggett will have saved the state and county $8 million, a fraction of which could be used to compensate Live Nation for its time and trouble. And if Hurwitz fails, Leggett can claim to have been right all along while getting credit for fiscal prudence. Politically and economically, either way's a winner.
 
 By the way, it's not correct to say, as most critics do, that Leggett is proposing to hand $8 million in state and county funds to Live Nation. In exchange for its investment, the county will own a building and parcel of land valued today at $11.5 million (A provision allowing Live Nation to buy it later for $8 million will be dropped.) And it is a fair guess that the extra meals and sales tax revenue generated by the facility will more than cover the $400,000 a year in interest payments on the bonds used to finance it.
 
 However you slice it, it's still a subsidy. But considering the tens of millions of public dollars already invested in a successful downtown revitalization, it's a small enough subsidy that it would be foolish not to use to finish the job.
 
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 08:05:00 am »
As a taxpayer I'm ticked.  But the only way to get through to Leggett and the County Council is to write them -- and write letters to the Editor at the Washington Post and Gazette newspapers.  They have to be shamed into doing the right thing for us citizens, not Live Nation, or the developer or anyone else.
 
 There's a post above with the links to Leggett and the Council. If you love the idea of the govt spending your money wisely, or if you love the 9:30 Club, write in now -- and get your friends to do it too.
 
 If we all take 5 minutes, we can make a big difference, I bet.

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2007, 09:10:00 am »
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Originally posted by Roger Music:
  Whose Music in Silver Spring?
 
 By Steven Pearlstein
 Friday, November 30, 2007; D01
 
 There is no mystery about Hurwitz's sudden interest in a Silver Spring venue. While the Birchmere's folk and bluesy offerings don't overlap much with those of the 9:30 Club, one of Live Nation's Fillmore clubs would compete directly for the limited number of rock music acts that draw a thousand patrons a night at anywhere from $25 to $50 a head. And, as we've seen, competition is not something Hurwitz accepts lightly.
 
 Link to article
I'm glad someone finally pointed this out, the whole notion that Live Nation is suddenly going to  bring in a different roster of bands than the 9:30 club is ridiculous.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 10:35:00 am »
And here I was thinking that Seth was trying to save the world from the Walmartization (or Starbucksation?) of music.

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2007, 10:50:00 am »
" i hate live nation; they own everything." (now)
 
 "i hate seth; he owns everything." (5 years from now)

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2007, 01:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by walkonby:
  " i hate live nation; they own everything." (now)
 
 "i hate seth; he owns everything." (5 years from now)
Maybe at some point in those 5 years he'll bribe you with free tickets for an extra funny message board post.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2007, 03:06:00 pm »
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
   
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Originally posted by walkonby:
  " i hate live nation; they own everything." (now)
 
 "i hate seth; he owns everything." (5 years from now)
Maybe at some point in those 5 years he'll bribe you with free tickets for an extra funny message board post. [/b]
free tickets?
 
 "i hate live nation; they own everything."  now
 
 "i love seth; i hope he owns everything." now