Last Great Debut Album?

[Vas Deferens]

The original Y Kant Tori Read CD can fetch hundreds of dollars. I only have a bootleg copy of it.
 
 

Originally posted by nkotb:
  I'm certainly no expert, but according to Wikipedia, Y Kant Tori Read was a band that featured Tori.
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Kant_Tori_Read
 
 I was surprised to read that too.  Then I remembered that I didn't care.
 
   

Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
 Y Kant Tori Read is a solo album, one that contained studio musicians perhaps but still a solo album.

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[crevers]

If I recall, the argument against Weezer's "Blue Album" was that it had no lasting impact.  Two points: (1) it was emo before there was emo (2) they made it cool to be nerds/geeks well before the geek-cool wave of the late 90's/early 00's.
 
 Knowing that we're looking for debut albums that sold millions, altered (at least somewhat) the direction of popular music, and was critically well-received, I offer one more suggestion...
 
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[beetsnotbeats]

Originally posted by dhinojwala:
  (2) they made it cool to be nerds/geeks well before the geek-cool wave of the late 90's/early 00's.

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[xneverwherex]

Originally posted by bnyced0:
   

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
  no worries - us californians are ahead of the curve! but yes - it was stated in the thread it wasnt their debut album.
 
   

Originally posted by bnyced0:
 Maybe it's ironic because it's NOT a debut album, I'm surprised one of the many Californians frequenting this board didn't chime in here, as the first ND album was 92, think I still have the cassette in storage somewhere.
 

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Ok, now that I've gotten everyone's blood flowing,
 
 "DHC from RICHMOND"
 
 ?, CA right?
 
 I would've said Berkely, and they were made up of some of the remnants of Operation Ivy before they bailed but they were super solid and I hated to see them go. [/b]

yeah sorry it was meant to be obvious that it was richmond, CA since i had mentioned california ska-quake. all cali bands. had read somewhere awhile back they were from RICHMOND, CA. but apparently berkeley is more correct.
 
 all my friends wanted to be just like elyse. and esp have her voice.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by nkotb:
  Funeral, on the other hand, is just ridiculous.  What impact has that had other than to get indie nerds and bloggers salivating?
 

Thank you.  I was gonna pipe up on that, but I wanted some backing first.

[TheREALHunter]

Originally posted by dhinojwala:
  If I recall, the argument against Weezer's "Blue Album" was that it had no lasting impact.  Two points: (1) it was emo before there was emo (2) they made it cool to be nerds/geeks well before the geek-cool wave of the late 90's/early 00's.
 
 Knowing that we're looking for debut albums that sold millions, altered (at least somewhat) the direction of popular music, and was critically well-received, I offer one more suggestion...
 
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Emo before there was emo? Uh...no.
 1. Power-pop (what Weezer plays) is not emo
 2. Emo began and ended with DC bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace, Rain, etc. the term has been revived to lump in some fruity punk bands with a screaming lead singer but it's a bad imitation.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  I think of Reasonable Doubt as an album made by someone with talent who wanted to make Ready To Die, but maybe w/out the vulnerability.

I beg to differ, my friend.  
 
 Exhibit A:  Number One Rule For Your Set/Wanna Live Your Life/Gotta Learn To Live With Regrets
 
 That shit's as vulnerable as chicks at Lilith Fair, fam.

[kosmo vinyl]

Seconding the comment on Weezer (Blue) is that "My Name Is Jonas" is considered by many the proto Emo anthem.  In fact I think it stood the test of time in sense of popularity more so then the hit singles.
 
 How about
 
 Air - "Safari Moon" which opened doors for the French Pop scene and to some extend downtempo lounge music.
 
 Fatboy Slim - "Better Living Through Chemistry" helped bring electronica into the mainstream.
 
 Underworld gets knocked out as "Dubnobasswithmyheadman" is the groups third release but first with it's most significant sound  and line-up.  
 
 Jellyfish - "Bellybutton" and Myracle Brah - "Life on Planet Eartsnop" which had great impact on me  

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
   

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom.  Sublime & 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.  

I'll make a deal with you:  I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska.  Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league.  Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable.  Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime. [/b]

some people just shouldnt discuss ska music. [/b]

Ummmmmmm, hey X.  I'm assuming your last statement was meant for me.  You obviously didn't read MY statement very well, did you?  If you're gonna be indignant about it at least read my whole statement first.  I simply stated what was responsible for breaking ska into the mainstream.  YOU are a cultured music listener.  That statement really didn't apply to you, as you obviously were ahead of the curve much like Smackie.  Just read my WHOLE statement thoroughly.  It's self-explanatory.  Do you think I'd be stupid enough to say that Sublime & especially 311 are the torchbearers for ska???  On this board of all places?  That'd be like me saying Kelly Clarkson is a hard rock artist.  Come the fuck on.  Seriously.

[eltee]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  And of course, I can't hear it here.  But I am well aware of KROQ

I think you can stream it online, right?

[Firebutt McGee]

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[xneverwherex]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
   

Originally posted by vansmack:
     

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  There wasn't anything particularly influential about Tragic Kingdom.  Sublime & 311 were already running with the "ska thing" that exploded in the mid-90s.  

I'll make a deal with you:  I won't lecture you on rap and hip-hop if you promise to not give any more lectures on Mid-90's ska.  Mid-90's ska for the rest of America was late 80's for the fine folks in So Cal, and yes, while it was pinched from Marley and the Specials from the late 70's early 80's UK revival, it's evident by your inclusion of 311 in the same conversation as No Doubt and Sublime that you're way out of your league.  Fishbone, I would have given you, but 311 is unforgivable.  Love it or hate it, No Doubt are credited with bringing Ska to the 90's mainstream music scene, not 311 or Sublime. [/b]

some people just shouldnt discuss ska music. [/b]

Ummmmmmm, hey X.  I'm assuming your last statement was meant for me.  You obviously didn't read MY statement very well, did you?  If you're gonna be indignant about it at least read my whole statement first.  I simply stated what was responsible for breaking ska into the mainstream.  YOU are a cultured music listener.  That statement really didn't apply to you, as you obviously were ahead of the curve much like Smackie.  Just read my WHOLE statement thoroughly.  It's self-explanatory.  Do you think I'd be stupid enough to say that Sublime & especially 311 are the torchbearers for ska???  On this board of all places?  That'd be like me saying Kelly Clarkson is a hard rock artist.  Come the fuck on.  Seriously. [/b]

yeesh! you need to chill out seriously. it was written in the course of that whole discussion.
 
 some of us do work and cant reply 2 secs after they read something. that response was written when smackie said his thing - but couldnt post for other reasons till way later.
 
 on that note - im slammed!

[Mobius]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
   

Originally posted by Mobius:
  I think of Reasonable Doubt as an album made by someone with talent who wanted to make Ready To Die, but maybe w/out the vulnerability.

I beg to differ, my friend.  
 
 Exhibit A:  Number One Rule For Your Set/Wanna Live Your Life/Gotta Learn To Live With Regrets
 
 That shit's as vulnerable as chicks at Lilith Fair, fam. [/b]

I suppose so - although I think its more 'human' than 'vulnerable' b/c I think the idea is that he'll win (and you the listener can win too) despite his (your) regrets/obstacles.  But again, I think he took his gameplan from B.I.G.  Sure there are differences, but I think he recognized that he could do what B.I.G. did (and sold $$$millions doing) - but w/ more of an athlete's perspective (overcome obstacles, train, win). Reasonable Doubt is great of course.  I'm just saying that it seems like B.I.G. opened the door that he walked through (probably along w/ Illmatic).  Like a good athlete, or a good anything, he recognized who was the best (and who the people worth watching were responding to) and tried to emulate them.

[sweetcell]

honorable mention:
 
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